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@Stephen
The Christ mythology is stupid I agree. I have said many times on this forum , that I believe Jesus was a man that believed or was led to believe that he was rightful heir to the kingdom of Israel and that it was his time to rule and that Christians have wrapped in a myth.
Sort of, but no. The fanatic religious ideologues who were the self-appointed guardians of the kingdom of Israel (Sadducees, Pharisees) were looking for that sort of messiah, but that isn't what they got and they weren't able to question Jesus's claim to something far more significant which is why he rejected them and they rejected him. The subsequent mythology was inevitable and merely a repetition of history as history is wont to do. (Jesus geneaology)
But I can tell you, even if we take the superstition of the time, if there is one thing that these ancient Priests and Kings knew about it was the workings of the "heavenly bodies" and the "laws" that they dictated, it was THEIR CLOCK!. .... I also believe that these ancient celestial laws are still being applied to day.
Their clock, perhaps yes, but not their superstition, which is what you seem to be kicking around. The links to astrology I gave are a rebuttal to that. It doesn't really matter too much what the Priests and Kings may or may not have used to achieve their political goals, in the case of the Jews - that came to a crashing halt in 70 CE anyway, while the aforementioned ideologues were able to reap their reward from the smokey ruins is hardly surprising or significant beyond the obvious. Politics is like a heavily scripted reality television show from a schoolyard playground. Yesterday and today. (Reruns)
That is why you piqued my interest when you wrote this on another thread> " the way things have turned out, which is exactly the way the Bible foretold".
I don't understand that, really. I don't think the context had anything to do with what you must have thought it to. I was talking about the religion and politics of atheistic ideology and ignorance, I suppose. I'm not interested enough to revisit. None of that matters much. The average ignorant militant "Christian" sees themselves much the same as the religious idiots that rejected Christ, and in their own way they do the same, while seeing themselves as saviors of the unwashed heathen who at least have enough sense not to fall in that obvious trap but not enough to see themselves in the same way while only imitating what they despise. Who cares is my point. God doesn't want those people to go against their own will which is why I quoted Jesus to that effect in his teaching in parables. That was my point. Not in assigning some superstitious nonsensical astrology to what already is the obvious end of the world which began with the conception of Cain.
I don't know - maybe you missed that point?
Yes, Specifically what did they "specifically" tell Herod?And what was Herod's reaction?
You're going to have to do better than this if you want me to come to your conclusion. Herod told them about the star which appeared only to them when Jesus was about two years old and living in a house. The star was Satan's attempt to kill the infant by leading Herod to him. That's Christmas. The mythology of the star on the Chrismas trees of atheists and "Christians" alike. Note how the Biblical and the mythological deviate. Note the contrast.
I don't understand why "Christians," "Skeptics (British "Sceptics"), or "Scholars" don't do that. Why do they always conclude something other than what it is while concluding it's some grand mystery that isn't gnostic. A "science" minded skeptic will look at the celestial phenomenon in John's Revelation as if it's some superstitious fear of primitive people while being totally oblivious to the same celestial terminology being used in the Hebrew Scripture as political and social upheaval. The sun, moon and stars representing a new government, people and environment in Jerusalem after Babylon are the same as John uses on a grander scale globally. A new government (God's) a new people (God's) and a new environment. A new heaven, a new earth.
The context is made perfectly clear, the question posed to Jesus by his disciples make it specifically clear what the context is. And Jesus responds perfectly in context to what they asked. So again what is the meaning of "end times"?
I've told you. The end of Satan's rule of man making way for God's rightful sovereignty. A new heaven (without Satan and his demons which were cast out) and a new earth with the same.
If that is what you believe then why didn't Jesus simply say so himself when he was asked about the end times.
Assuming that he didn't, what do you suppose he did say? And where did he say it? We can keep playing this game till I get bored (looks at watch).
There are only two possible pointers in just two of the gospels and even they show a discrepancy of about ten years.
Show me.
Rather than go through it all I would show you where it's already been done.
The Prophetic arival of Jesus
"In the sixth century B.C.E., the prophet Daniel foretold that “Messiah the Leader” would appear 69 “weeks” after the order went forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. (Daniel 9:24, 25) Each one of these “weeks” was seven years long. According to the Bible and secular history, the order to rebuild Jerusalem was issued in 455 B.C.E. (Nehemiah 2:1-8) So the Messiah was to appear 483 (69 times 7) years after 455 B.C.E. That brings us to 29 C.E., the very year that Jehovah anointed Jesus with holy spirit. Jesus thus became “the Christ” (meaning “Anointed One”), or Messiah.—Luke 3:15, 16, 21, 22. (Source)
The Prophetic arival of the end
"During “the appointed times of the nations,” worldly governments would be allowed to interrupt rulership approved by God. That period began with the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E., and Daniel indicated that it would go on for “seven times.” (Daniel 4:23-25) How long is that? The Bible shows that three and a half “times” equal 1,260 days. (Revelation 12:6, 14) Twice that period, or seven times, would be 2,520 days. But nothing noteworthy happened at the end of that short period of time. By applying “a day for a year” to Daniel’s prophecy and counting 2,520 years from 607 B.C.E., however, we arrive at the year 1914 C.E.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6." (Source)
I don't agree with some of their interpretation regarding the exact significance of that date and their subsequent failed prophecies. They have a tendency to fuck that sort of thing up when they try to fix themselves within those sorts of prophecies, but I think they were on the right track. They've probably changed it a half dozen times since then anyway, but nevertheless, there it is.
Can you expand on that quoting the gospels?
On what? I briefly touch on it in the link I gave, under the heading Death of Herod at the bottom. You have to realize I've done this sort of thing enough. I've gotten lazy and sloppy because it's pointless. Others haven't got to that point yet and maybe they never will, but I'm an intrusion of sorts. Pay no attention to me.
Your link Yes. is interesting........... and ironic, titled, Revelation In Space. < my emphasis. Would that be the heavenly celestial "space" above our heads and all the heavenly bodies therein or some other space that only you know about?
Revelation in space is a website I tinker with in my spare time. It involves a sort of parable of global revolution and the spiritual journey of an android imprinted with the soul of a lifelong atheist. Some of it takes place in space where the android finds himself aboard the space station Laurasia. I'll likely not ever finish it. I also keep stuff I've written over the last 30 years on the forum I've linked to. Not an active forum, just a place to store stuff.
