Capitalism sucks! Socialism (Government planned economy) is the best system!

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There aren't even 270 million people in the US with driver's licenses.  Some things you read on the internet are just wrong
Some people own multiple vehicles, not all vehicles require driving license.

leading to the price being about the same.
Prices have consistently increased over time. The supply doesnt always follow the demand. If cost of production for raw materials is same, their price will likely stay same or increase over time.

 It's like your computer (which has an electric battery). 
Its nothing like my computer. Car battery is over 1000 times bigger than a computer battery, and battery for trucks and airplanes even bigger.

I think you have lost this exchange by saying the US population should use the energy levels of North Korea
No, I am pretty, sure that USA has lost this exchange.
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if that's really what you believe, then never go to DART again; you are using too much energy
But I am greedy.

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Some people own multiple vehicles, not all vehicles require driving license.
But it's impossible to drive multiple cars at once, and I don't know if your 2nd claim is correct.

Prices have consistently increased over time. 
Inflation

The supply doesnt always follow the demand.
Not always, but there has been a mistake in the car making industry that they are fixing as we speak.


Its nothing like my computer. Car battery is over 1000 times bigger than a computer battery, and battery for trucks and airplanes even bigger.
Well do you drive or take public transit?

But I am greedy.
So is everybody else!  Practice what you preach or change your speech!
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But it's impossible to drive multiple cars at once
Thats why they probably dont do it at once.

, and I don't know if your 2nd claim is correct.
There are 230 million driving licenses in USA, and 270 million vehicles.

Inflation
Yeah, so expect more inflation in the future.

Well do you drive or take public transit?
Sure, I dont drive, but I do use public transport from time to time.

So is everybody else!  Practice what you preach or change your speech!
One can do neither, so that is a false or.
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Thats why they probably dont do it at once.
Lets say there are 2 people; Person A and Person B.  They both drive 80 km a day.  Person A owns 1 vehicle; Person B owns 2.  Person A is getting all their driving done with their 1 vehicle; Person B splits it up.  I don't believe there is too much correlation between how much driving in total you perform vs the number of cars you own; but I believe there is a strong negative correlation between how much driving per vehicle vs the number of cars you own (assuming you own at least 1 car).

There are 230 million driving licenses in USA, and 270 million vehicles.
My family has 5 people with licenses and 3 cars.  A lot of families may be my family's size and only have 1 or 2 cars (or 0).

Yeah, so expect more inflation in the future.
Supply and demand adjusted for inflation (the stock market rises faster than the inflation rate on average).

Sure, I dont drive, but I do use public transport from time to time.
That public transit is powered either with gasoline or electricity.  So you use energy more than the average North Korean from the public transit you take.

So is everybody else!  Practice what you preach or change your speech!
One can do neither, so that is a false or.
Incorrect.  You can merely become pro energy consumption.
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Lets say there are 2 people; Person A and Person B.  They both drive 80 km a day.  Person A owns 1 vehicle; Person B owns 2.  Person A is getting all their driving done with their 1 vehicle; Person B splits it up.  I don't believe there is too much correlation between how much driving in total you perform vs the number of cars you own; but I believe there is a strong negative correlation between how much driving per vehicle vs the number of cars you own (assuming you own at least 1 car).
It makes your original claim about how much average car drives false, since your claim was about per car, not per person.

My family has 5 people with licenses and 3 cars.  A lot of families may be my family's size and only have 1 or 2 cars (or 0).
Sorry, but I prefer to trust sources rather than personal examples which may not apply generally.

Supply and demand adjusted for inflation (the stock market rises faster than the inflation rate on average).
Again, no one will sell all the stock market to help people buy cars.

Incorrect
If you are saying that its impossible to preach what you dont practice and not change your speech, then what are you accusing me of?
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It makes your original claim about how much average car drives false, since your claim was about per car, not per person.
So then per person would probably be a better metric.

# of licensr holders in the US: 230 million

# of km/licence holder/year: 20k

# of km driven/year in the US: 4.6 Trillion

Kilo Watts/km of an electric car: .2 KWh

KWH/year: 920 Billion KWH

Total US energy consumption/year: 4.05 Trillion KWH

This is about a 22% increase.

My family has 5 people with licenses and 3 cars.  A lot of families may be my family's size and only have 1 or 2 cars (or 0).
Sorry, but I prefer to trust sources rather than personal examples which may not apply generally.
Do you really think there are that many families with 5 people that have 8 cars to offset all the families with 3 cars?  It seem unrealistic.

Again, no one will sell all the stock market to help people buy cars.
People may sell some of their stock so they personally can buy a car.

If you are saying that its impossible to preach what you dont practice and not change your speech, then what are you accusing me of?
I was saying Incorrect when you said one can do neither.
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# of km/licence holder/year: 20k
Thats, again, for cars. The source which you are using is talking about cars alone. Not trucks or transport vans.

I was saying Incorrect when you said one can do neither
I said both claims can be false. Thats what it means when I say one can do "neither of those".

People may sell some of their stock so they personally can buy a car.
Yeah, "may".

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i think you dont understand capitalism, your planned economy is a moneyless society, while capitalism works from work, the more useful you are the more capable of achieveing greatness you will be, besides chocolate isnt the only resource available the thing about something being scare is that people innevitably find an alternative, beyond that the capitalist society is made of striving and competitive therefore innovating people, while the communist one is made of lazy complacient people with no desire nor ambition, ask me wich is more human or wich one is more likely to thrive. i think its obvious. real life example in a capitalist thriving society where resources do run out because they do, humans would have just started farming planets, but only on a capitalist one where people compete to please others, and the one that pleases the most gets the most, only then where competition innevitably equals innovation.
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example in a capitalist thriving society where resources do run out because they do, humans would have just started farming planets
So you think that solution for running out of resources, which must happen, is to farm planets?

Some imagination you capitalists have!

This is what happens when people watch way too much Star Trek lol
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im saying that humans historically find new ways to thrive in any form or way they find possible, when america was discovered for example, when the burgoise was born after feudalism ended, the fact that you believe that humans are meant to be born and die on earth is not just sad but shows shows how much communism/socialism is only meant to  end, capitalism doesnt end because it cant its made out of the creation of wealth from current wealth. necessity of pushing through creates new forms to push through, do i explain myself? also in your example they run out of chocolate and thats it, in capitalism they just find something else not just because they can (free will wich communism does not posses) but because they have to.
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in capitalism they just find something else
Great. You think there is always something else on a planet with finite decreasing resources and growing human population.

I blame Star Trek for this. Its basically just fantasy land argument. Kinda like heaven.
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if somehow you think that the best argument is to diqualify me and take me for a fool or a lunatic for merely stating a fact you still havent disproved. then i need no more proof that you clearly have nothing to say. the clearest example and the most basic one too is that humans when they were hunter gatherers actually had to spread their resources in a much more balanced way because of how scare and finite they were yet there was a point when agriculture was discovered and we didnt had to care anymore does that make it clear, i know these are two very different examples but it seems that you still dont understand the fact that necesity creates motivation we mus prevail or we die.
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also is your solution to just die as a species??  because human population will keep growing and resources will keep ending even with your planned stuff, i said this before your society ends mine doesnt, besides lets say you make food last forever earth doesnt last forever so you just give up?? its a bit nihilistic
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Great. You think its a fact that there is always something else on a finite planet with finite decreasing resources and growing human population.

You also think that if humans found other resources once in a while, that they will always find other resources after they run out of those, on a finite planet with finite resources.

When people waste money everywhere and expect they will still manage somehow, those people usually end up failing economically.

But maybe its different with wasting resources, so go and waste resources to find out if its different than wasting money.
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i think that  the potential of human growth relys both on its freedom to grow and prosper voluntairly we could start devoloping geoingeneering one day and maybe even create our own solar systems, this is the power of capitalism and free market its not just finding something and ending it, today we see minerals as finite but tomorrow we might even be able to harvest them, as we do with food, we did it with animals at one point, also i am not saying that all humans do is find another resource to consume completely im saying that humanity finds an alternative to a necesity. and you still havent answered my question, does your society plan to die one way or another??
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When people waste money everywhere and expect they will still manage somehow, those people usually end up failing economically.
 what does this even mean?? do you know anything about market laws??

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Well, you still seem to think there are infinite resources on a finite planet with finite resources.

maybe even create our own solar systems
Even Star Trek didnt include such nonsense in its series, so I dont know which fantasy series are you getting all this from.
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what does this even mean
If you dont know what it means, then there is really no hope here. I might as well speak Chinese. Ching chang chong.

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will you answer my question?? what happens to society after a lapse of time, and also capitalism isnt just spending money you have a misconception of it it is creating wealth off current wealth and the market laws work just to please people in a competitive way its not just greedy pigs munching over each other, i honestly would like to keep this respectful there is no need to ridiculize anyone, if anything it just shows how little to nothing you have to say, because you have to basically follow my premise necessity creates innovation but youre clearly not a good capitalist because putting someone down for simply stating facts you havent disproved isnt innovating
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capitalism isnt just spending money you have a misconception of it it is creating wealth off current wealth
You think people are always able to create more wealth on a planet with finite wealth. Cute. Cute.

What else do you think? That it is impossible to waste money?

i honestly would like to keep this respectful
You can keep it as respectful as you want. I never took any issue with your lack of respect, even if you are an alt of someone.

necessity creates innovation
Maybe you think innovation enables infinite resources on a planet with finite resources.

So your brilliant plan is to waste resources and hope that innovation saves you.

At this point, I wouldnt be surprised if you told me you also believe in magic.
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not everything in the universe is finite mr thanos, if your plan is murdering people to have more resources go at it and if it isnt then live as long as you can as a species and die, also i havent been disrepectful to you in any ocassion you are the one who is constantly mocking me instead of giving me vaild reasons and answers, not everthing is a rock btw
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and also the thing about capitalism is that anything can be of value even trash, thats why recylcing is one of the most prosperous businesses predicted to grow over to 88 billion dollars, anything can be of value because it all relys on peoples needs
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not everything in the universe is finite
So you think if something isnt finite, that everything isnt finite.

Maybe you can use magic to turn finite into infinite.
Magic is innovation too, right?

Thats probably why you think that all resources are infinite on this planet.

Oh well, learn the hard way, I guess.
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humans can grow food undefinitely there is still so much more to harvest in this planet and if we go beyond, living will be easy by how agriculture will evolve to that point, and please enlighten me on how innovation works in your system and what does mankind do after reaches the 99th chocolate??

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idk if you knew but plants grow a lot there is a thing called a cycle it works to all biological things in nature and if the world didnt evolve it would remain like that until the sun inflates and the earth gets cold and all that just goes away and dies
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i literally never said that

"So you think if something isnt finite, that everything isnt finite."
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thats why recylcing is one of the most prosperous businesses
Yes, funded by the government, not market.

Oh wait, you also think you can recycle all resources even tho no country on Earth has succeeded in recycling even 60% of its plastic, and most recycle almost none?

Damn, the magic is really strong here.

Lets just hope we can rely on magic once we run out of finite resources like wood, fuel and coal, so that countries dont have to fight over whats left.

Its great that Capitalism competes to maximize output so that it uses greatest number of resources it can so we too can witness clear example of how far greed gets us when buisnesses raise prices due to resource shortages.

But maybe more resources will appear out of nothing. You never know.
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i literally never said that

"So you think if something isnt finite, that everything isnt finite."
Oh, so you are saying some resources are finite?

Uh, I guess magic wont save us this time.
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youre talking me about recycling wealth being ridiculous JAJHJAHJHAJHAJHA  THERE IS NO WAYYYY literally communism is recylcing wealth instead of creating it and also you say "the government" when you dont realise that there is an insane amount of private companys that dive into this business. dude you literally laughed at yourself for being a communist its unbelievable JSHJHJSA