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@Earth
Why do you think it’s a Lunatic/Vader team?
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I think by POE it has to be Vader/Moozer.
The role confirmation thing, the Pawn being a part of Black Pieces. Voyeur seeing that Earth was roleblocked meaning that he did visit him.
We also know that Lunatic has not moved DP1 or DP2 and that scum have no incentive to agree to being voluntarily roleblocked.
Vader and Moozer are the only ones who have non-everyday roles (1x and Even Night). What also strikes me is that Savant as a Miller was a combination of two roles—Miller and Soldier. Moozer is the only other combination of two roles—Doctor and Strengthener
I’m leaning towards Vader right now, but I’m going to sleep on it and make my decision after work tomorrow. Earth, please do not vote yet. Everyone, feel free to present to me arguments for why you are not scum and the others are scum
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@Earth
What’s your justification?
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@ILikePie5
It’s a 50/50 shot. I just think it’s a bit odd that Earth is hard buying Moozer versus the person you roleblocked twice. I also claimed something that can look at actions and tried to use to come to a result. You know how I was last game as scum, same with Luna. If you think my behavior mimics how I played last game then I think you are wrong.
Also if I were scum I would’ve just claimed something easy in chess, not some abstract bullshit like black pieces that can be interpreted anyway.
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@ILikePie5
You made some good points about earth, so that has me leaning towards a Vader/Luna team, but honestly, I’m not really in a position to accuse here.
My main point here is that I was the first to claim. At face value, that isn’t a great argument, but I like to look at things with hypothetical POVs, so let’s do that. Let’s say that I am scum. It’s generally not a great idea anyways, but you could argue that I was new, and didn’t know the strats, but you have to remember that I would have had a partner, who definitely would have disused me from that.
Also, if I faked my claim, I came up with it very fast, and it fits perfectly with the other ones.
If I were to fake a claim, I would have chosen a chess piece, and I think most of you would have too. I was very surprised, when most of the claims were lots of chess tactics and mechanics, like the pin. My claim was made before I had any way of telling what the roles would be called, I claimed one that matches up exactly with the others.
My final point for now, is if I was mafia, who is my partner? You can say that the plan was to keep me distanced from my partner, but that doesn’t hold a lot of water when you check it out. You would Ideally like my relationship to my fellow mafia man to be either neutral or against, but I have been very polarizing in my alliances, and everyone I stood by is dead.
Anyways, I hope that helps with your decision. I’ll vote for whoever Pie does, seeing as he has the most power, and lots of experience here.
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@Moozer325
What, if anything, have you asked Austin about your role?
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@ILikePie5
Everyone, feel free to present to me arguments for why you are not scum and the others are scum
Sure. You can dismiss alot of this as wifom, but it is what it is.
1. My role makes sense with a lot of flipped roles. You can tell Austin has been experimenting with weird and unique roles, and I think I only ever saw soldier once in a game. I've never seen a gladiator, or whatever that tracker role was. Same applies to mathematician, never seen that role before either. My character lines up with the rest of the confirmed flipped characters too. Black pieces, which I suspect is mafia, is the only other physical claim on the board and I am pretty sure supa has to be scum, so we know at least the theme split is physical vs non physical. At least that's where my head is at with the theme.
2. I've pretty much forfeited my role every night in hopes that it would pay off and give another townie a better role utility.
3. I wouldn't have killed Savant dp1. That kill makes no sense to me.
4. Nobody really makes sense here as my scum partner. I've suspected both vader and moozer since day phase one, and I havent been giving moozer the noob excuse because his behavior fluctuates between him justfying stuff then seeming to pull the noob card or ignore questions he doesnt wanna answer. Everyone kept saying pie was partner but we know hes innocent. We know theres a cop. If I am scum whose my partner?
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@ILikePie5
I asked if I could use one of the aspects on myself (I could), and I asked if I could use both effects of the same person (I could not).
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@ILikePie5
I've provided arguments as to why I am innocent, so I think I'll move on to why I think it's Vader/Luna.
From my POV, It could be Vader, Earth, and Luna. Earth doesn't get a complete pass, but he did get roleblocked last night, so that helps his case some. I also think he has a good role claim, but most of my argument as to why it isn't him revolves around how Luna and Vader have interacted together.
Vader has been trying to cover for Luna, saying that they get a pass because they allied with you. This makes some sense, but it's the only argument I've heard so far, and it doesn't work that well. If Luna was scum, then they would know that Pie was town, and thus wasn't lying about being confirmable, because he had no reason too. So Luna latched on to Pie in order to try and get a pass, while Vader backed it up.
Luna made an argument as to why I'm scum, so I'll finish by rebutting that.
My role makes sense with a lot of flipped roles.
Yeah, but you waited forever to claim, and I was right out the door with it. It makes sense that you’re claim fits, because you saw the other ones first.
I wouldn't have killed Savant dp1. That kill makes no sense to me.
I would argue that it makes sense, only because it doesn’t make sense. You used you’re kill to draw the attention away from you and bolster you’re argument with a somewhat unrelated kill.
Nobody really makes sense here as my scum partner.
I would argue that Vader makes total sense because they were saying you were fine, just because you allied with pie. Besides, this same argument could be used for me. How am I a better Match to Vader than you?
I conclusion, I can see where everyone is coming from when they accuse me, and I understand, but Vader is at least more of a suspect than me. I maintain a Luna/Vader team, but if you still think Vader/Me, at least vote for Vader, unless they can come up with a good defense. That’s my two cents.
VOTECOUNT:
[NONE]
About 58 hours remain in the DP.
Right now I’m leaning towards lynching Moozer.
I will reread again but right now I’m pretty sure it’s Vader and Moozer
Who do we want to lynch first tho. I think Supa is the better option
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@Earth
I would like to here ur thoughts since ur basically confirmed town
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@ILikePie5
I’m not getting anywhere convincing you that I’m town, so I might as well try and get you to lynch me next round.
You said it was probably Vader and me, and if that’s true (it’s not), wouldn’t you want to go after the more experienced player first?
I’m still talking in hypotheticals, but without my partner, I would be totally lost, and would do horrible.
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@Moozer325
Whoever is coaching you is doing a great job
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@ILikePie5
VTL Vader
Don’t think there’s much point in prolonging this. I’ve said my piece, and I’m still screwed. It been fun playing with you guys, sorry that we had to lose.
Whoever is coaching you is doing a great job
I guess I’ll take this as a compliment?
Anyways, I figure, if I’m going out I might as well go out with dignity, unlike Barney, so I wish ya’ll the best luck. I hope to play again with all of you, maybe as the actual mafia next time, but who knows.
I could probably be convinced it's Moozer, but I want to get Vader first. This would probably be a good time to try to get theme spilts sorted out.
VOTECOUNT:
Vader (1/3): Moozer
What could all this mean?
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@Earth
I could probably be convinced it's Moozer, but I want to get Vader first. This would probably be a good time to try to get theme spilts sorted out.
The problem is that scum are 100% fake claiming. I’ll give you mine tho at this point. I’m lichess.org and am the Doner-Dependent Innocent Child. Each day I could choose a person (change as many times as I want before the hammer). In the night, the person I chose would be given a message asking for a donation. If the player gives the donation, the player will also be roleblocked. I chose Lunatic twice.
Well theres been no quick hammer, so that confirms what I already deduced, one of vader or moozer is scum.
or both lol
Well VTL Moozer
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@Lunatic
Well theres been no quick hammer, so that confirms what I already deduced, one of vader or moozer is scum.
It rules out you and Earth team for sure
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@ILikePie5
It rules out you and Earth team for sure
I already kind of thought earth was town confirmed but its good to know for sure
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@Lunatic
Who do you want to get rid of first and why?
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@ILikePie5
Who do you want to get rid of first and why?
I am equally down for either. I am kind of trying to WIFOM which of the two has the better role here. Moozer being the first to vote vader, and also making the bigger case for himself could be him hoping we go for supa first which could mean he has the better role, but it's WIFOM logic, at the end of the day I'll just follow your logic on whoever you think is more likely to be the stronger role.
Supa feels like he is barely trying to defend himself here, though. I kind of feel like they are hoping we go for supa first lol
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@Lunatic
@Vader
If it’s you two, GG