Chess Mafia DP2

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Can we all agree to get a full claim from Barney? Literally we have no other information to work on and Barney has dodged this for more than a day. He’s also one of the least active and is basically in the POE scum pile atm.
I do have my vote on him. I think people in general know what non-compliance results in. Or they should by now
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I’m fine lynching Barney. Pin screams roleblocker because the piece being pinned cannot move
I hate to have to say this publicly, as yes I can see how you can view that as a role blocker. But I can also see that justifying a protective role. At any rate I don't really see the harm in him just coming out with it at this point, because I think mafia would have picked up on that by now as well if he isn't mafia. Also we already have an outed cop giver in earth, so the POE from mass claiming right now might be more beneficial to town. 
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People always yell at me for suggesting this, but is there really much harm to a mass claim at this point? Again our investigative role is already outed, and scum have enough claims they can probably POE out the remaining power roles at this point anyway.
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Some more in depth reads. Basically, they are the same as earlier but I want to add to them while there is a lull in activity.
 
Pie- Pie feels pretty townie to me. Especially in light of how inactive this game in, mafia really have the oppertunity to fly under the radar. Pie is basically leading the town in a way that feels like he is genuinely interested in cracking the case, like a real detective. He's been argumentative as usual, but I don't really feel like he has been super tunnel vision either. He has mentioned being suspicious of supa but even despite his scum read is going through the list and making sure everyone is playing their part. Him going after Barney feels even more town to me, because he isn't letting him get off the hook. Which he could totally just do and pursue his read of supa right now instead if he wanted. If he was scum pursuing a mislynch hes targetting someone I feel would be a bit harder to achieve a mislynch in here, as he could easily try and focus on moozer or supa here (I DO suspect both). He's giving barney ample time to respond and isn't taking bullshit. If pie was scum here he is going the absolute hardest route possible for no reason when he can take the easy route. Im fine with giving pie my financial support and look at him as the town leader at the moment. 

Earth- I don't have any reason to doubt earths ability to grant cop powers or whatever he can do at the moment, simply because we know there was a flipped role in the graveyard with a miller modifier. He can be in my town pile.

Whiteflame- I am always suspicious of whiteflame, so I think I can be justified in saying that he shouldn't be completely removed as a suspect just because he confirmed earth. Mafia would have incentive to comply with town by confirming them too, and he could think it would give him town cred to do so. But atm I null read him, and will keep an eye on his behavior. I find his insight pretty invaluable regardless, so atm I don't have any immediate reason to suspect him. 

Supa- I don't wanna keep going down this rabbit hole, I've said everything I can really say about him and its gotten to the point of repetitiveness. Ultimately I thought the flip flop on joebob was suspicious. The only reason I am semi dropping it is that supa has since revealed there may have been role reasons that attribute to his decision, which could justify him completely. Until I know what he is and why his role pm made him suspect joebob though, I am keeping him as scum. I think we will get to his full claim soon after barney's.

Moozer- This dude has basically been ignoring everyone, and feels he can get away with playing without attributing anything but his claim. I don't like that and I think it's the perfect play for mafia. Hell if I was scum and had a noob on my team I might even tell him to play that way and purposefully skate under the radar. Its fishy as hell, and he is pretty high on the radar.

Barney- Barney is someone I actually didn't suspect in iLikePie's game at all. Like 0 suspicion whatsoever. I tried guessing who scum where after I was night killed in that game and I am not even kidding you he was legit like my last guess. So naturally I am little bit more guarded on him. Lately he's kind of had this aggressive "leave me alone i'll post when the fvck I feel like it" vibe going on. I sympethize with having real life come before a game. But at the end of the day he hasn't really provided a ton of game solving strategy to the game that I would expect from him if he was town. And it's not like he's completely inactive either. He's online and posting, but virtually giving nothing with each post. It's not what I would expect out of a townie who is trying to solve a game. I can see his role as maybe a hint towards a protective role but I can also see why pie thinks it could be roleblocker as well. At any rate, I think scum would have a hard time coming up with fake claims in this game, and this feels for better or worse like an actual claim even if he is scum. Makes me wonder if the theme split is strategy vs chess concepts or something like that if barney is actually scum. 

I think barney is highest on my radar, with supa or moozer coming in close second. Supa claims his role is confirmable. Role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation, but it is something to take into account.

But yeah I think at least one scum is somewhere in those three people. 
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@ILikePie5
You obsessing over one person for information, then when information is given demanding more and more… You’re damned obvious in trying to get a mislynch. Of course, you’re welcome to have your scum buddy out themselves by laying down the hammer.
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Barney should full claim tbh. Kinda scummy just running down the clock.
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Heads up won’t be active today much as I am moving in to my aunts for my internship this summer so don’t expect much activity today on my end
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@Barney
I totally agree with you about pie here. If you can give us a better claim, I'm with you if you want to go after him next, but I need that claim first. 
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I hate to have to say this publicly, as yes I can see how you can view that as a role blocker. But I can also see that justifying a protective role. At any rate I don't really see the harm in him just coming out with it at this point, because I think mafia would have picked up on that by now as well if he isn't mafia. Also we already have an outed cop giver in earth, so the POE from mass claiming right now might be more beneficial to town. 
I heavily disagree with you on this. A move that results in a pin is 99% of the time bad for the opposing party. As for the mass claim, I think we should at the very least do it methodically. 
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@Barney
You obsessing over one person for information, then when information is given demanding more and more… You’re damned obvious in trying to get a mislynch. Of course, you’re welcome to have your scum buddy out themselves by laying down the hammer.
Ive asked you to full claim since literally the last DP. You have delayed for more than a day. I’m asking for your role so that I may consider putting you in the town pile depending on whether I find it important/adequate and move on to someone else.
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Can we do a Moozer/JoeBob hydra
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I totally agree with you about pie here. If you can give us a better claim, I'm with you if you want to go after him next, but I need that claim first. 
I’m interested to hear your thoughts on this comment by Moozer
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@Barney
There may be some reason why you are avoiding full claiming here, but as someone who saw you do this last DP when you were town, I’m having a harder time in this game understanding the reticence. Maybe I’m just not picking up on the same signal I did then, and whatever role you have is something you’re just that desperate to hide, but regardless of what it is, I don’t think it’ll do us any good if it remains hidden at this point. You’re as likely as anyone in this DP to become the lynch target if things stay like this, so I honestly can’t fathom what calculus would make holding back on the claim the better choice. If you want to put attention elsewhere, then this is the only way it’s going to be taken off of you.
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@ILikePie5
No offense to you, but you have been pretty aggressive on hounding claims out of people. Not that it's necessarily bad, it's just a little suspicious, and you haven't really given us a big claim either, so I think I have the right to be at least a little sceptical. I do agree with you that we need a hard claim barney, but I would like one out of you too before you go asking for other people's.
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I totally agree with you about pie here. If you can give us a better claim, I'm with you if you want to go after him next, but I need that claim first. 
I’m interested to hear your thoughts on this comment by Moozer
It’s pretty odd that he agrees with Barney and wants a claim from you, but is still pushing for Barney to claim first. I get the impression that he’s trying to feel out both of you with the belief that one of you is scum, but it’s an odd way to approach it. If he really susses you, then that’s where his vote should be. I get that he’s new to this, but he’s handling his sussing strangely.

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No offense to you, but you have been pretty aggressive on hounding claims out of people.
Thank you

Not that it's necessarily bad, it's just a little suspicious, and you haven't really given us a big claim either, so I think I have the right to be at least a little sceptical. I do agree with you that we need a hard claim barney, but I would like one out of you too before you go asking for other people's.
My role is confirmable tomorrow. Barney’s clearly is not.  I don’t plan on hard claiming today. Tomorrow, you’ll see my character and my role
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@whiteflame
I don't really have any opinion on either of them, It's just that they're both candidates right now, and I'm trying to narrow it down. 
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@Moozer325
I don't really have any opinion on either of them, It's just that they're both candidates right now, and I'm trying to narrow it down. 
By now, you really should have an opinion on them. What makes them "candidates" and how does that differentiate them from others? That seems like an opinion to me. You'll notice that several of us have spelled out our reads to explain why we see certain people as sus or, at the very least, the explain who we limit the potential scum to based on process of elimination (PoE). It's worth providing some insight into how you're seeing other players at this point, which would also increase your active participation in the DP.

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The way I see it, no one has really jumped out at me as being incredibly suspicious, so I’m working my way through, trying to get a feel for each person one at a time. 
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The way I see it, no one has really jumped out at me as being incredibly suspicious, so I’m working my way through, trying to get a feel for each person one at a time. 
While it is worth making the rounds and trying to get more information, I think it's pretty obvious that you have at least limited the pool of suspects to some degree, otherwise you wouldn't have referred to Barney and Pie as "candidates." You've been reading through the DPs, so you should have some information to base that view off of.

To be clear, your goal in these games isn't necessarily to find someone who stands out as blatantly sus. That happens, but especially this early and with this little investigative information, it's not particularly likely to happen. You should nonetheless still be able to glean something from these DPs, even if it's only a pool of people who you think are likely town vs. everyone else. Part of doing that is just to organize your own thoughts, and part of it is showing us your thought process so that we can use it as a basis for our reads on you, so there's value in providing what insights you believe you can, even if they're not the most solid reads.

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I honestly can’t fathom what calculus would make holding back on the claim the better choice. 
You really can't? I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.

It's a policy of not rewarding Pie's lameness.

Adding to it, Pie gaslighting claiming he's already done a partial claim... But also not saying when and where... I mean either of us could have missed it, and he could have missed the list not including it... But all three seems unlikely if he's actually provided information.

Further, Pie seems certain as to what my role is from my character claim, which makes the point of pressuring me more moot.

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Anyways I'm a weak investigator roleblocker hybrid.

Each night I select two players, the first of which I get a notification if they target another player (I don't know which player). The second gets roleblocked if the first moved.

NP1 watched whiteflame, who did not move, so my roleblock did not trigger.
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PLAYER                        ROLE                            CHAR__________          _NP1

2. Pie                               ???                                   ???                              
3. whiteflame              ???                               "tactic"                     Copped Earth Inno
4. Moozer              1XBP+Protector            Castling                                    N/A
6. Lunatic                      ???                                  ELO                                 Something
7. Vader                          ???                                  ???
8. Barney              Investigator/RB              The Pin
9. Earth                 "chess engine"              Stockfish                Gave WF chess engine

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1. Savant              Miller+Soldier                 Pawn
5. Joebob            Flipped Tracker     Algebraic Notation

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You really can't? I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.
Alright, I get that, though he wasn't the only one asking.
Adding to it, Pie gaslighting claiming he's already done a partial claim... But also not saying when and where... I mean either of us could have missed it, and he could have missed the list not including it... But all three seems unlikely if he's actually provided information.
Yes, I flagged that as well. He's claimed that he can verify his own character and role, but he has not claimed either at the moment. All I saw was a softclaim.

Anyways I'm a weak investigator roleblocker hybrid.

Each night I select two players, the first of which I get a notification if they target another player (I don't know which player). The second gets roleblocked if the first moved.

NP1 watched whiteflame, who did not move, so my roleblock did not trigger.
That at least makes sense with the role. I haven't actually asked whether my use of the chess engine counts as a move. I'm going to inquire about that. Who else did you select? And would that register as you visiting both players, even if the RB fails?
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To uphold my end of the bargain:

Unvote

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@whiteflame
Austin messaged you about it already, (presumably) to prevent a mess wherein I accused you of not moving, when that item didn't count as an active move.

This is also why I said quite awhile ago that I'm 95% certain you're town. If I died, you not carrying out the NK could be found.

Also, given the complexity of the role, it's why I was more believing of people yesterday with oddly complex claims.
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Thank you, but whiteflame caught that Pie has promised to full claim tomorrow with confirmation of his role.

As much as by his own words:
Well if you’re town and you’re not going to full claim, you’re by definition anti-town

I think he's scum, but pretty much the only way a wagon would be successful, is if he's actually town and scum hops on it.
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I feel like Moozer might be town trying to dig up information. Also I am not sure why Barney waited so long to claim.
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@Vader
Please share your character claim.
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You really can't? I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.

It's a policy of not rewarding Pie's lameness. 
“Bullying.” Literally everyone wants you to full claim and you just keep dodging.

Adding to it, Pie gaslighting claiming he's already done a partial claim... But also not saying when and where... I mean either of us could have missed it, and he could have missed the list not including it... But all three seems unlikely if he's actually provided information.
I soft claimed earlier as to my character

Further, Pie seems certain as to what my role is from my character claim, which makes the point of pressuring me more moot.

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I said it screams roleblocker, not that you are a roleblocker.

Anyways I'm a weak investigator roleblocker hybrid.
Oh look—I was right. Curious as to why you wouldn’t claim that as SOP. A motion detector/roleblocker hybrid when we have a Cop and a Tracker.

Each night I select two players, the first of which I get a notification if they target another player (I don't know which player). The second gets roleblocked if the first moved.

NP1 watched whiteflame, who did not move, so my roleblock did not trigger.
And who did you target for a roleblock and why?
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As previously stated:
I have a dozen or so notifications notifications from Pie with his BS bullying tactic. When someone else (Lunatic) without being a bastard simply asked, I gave information.

It's a policy of not rewarding Pie's lameness.