Chess Mafia DP2

I did nothing, seeing as I only have one shot, so I better use it well

I can only use my ability, protecting one person and making one other person's ability untamperable for one night.

Pie - I think Pie would likely be my top scum read. His spearheading of a JoeBob lynch is quite literally the exact opposite of how he played last game with some minor similiarities.

As I stated in Option 3 of my theories, I don't put it past Pie to go and push a Savant NK to give himself town cred using the WIFOM strategy. Seems like that behavior analyzing and all that is something he tends to do. 

Pie: Probably the closest to a town lean based on his behavior last DP, though in my reassessing things this DP, he ends up more null to me, particularly after those reads. Just like Luna, he's not very specific about what makes Luna look townie to him beyond being more incisive with Supa. I get that that makes it less likely that they're a scum team together, but he seems to be hedging a bit on this read with the "but you never know" at the end. I guess he's ending up with Barney in scum through PoE and frustration that he hasn't answered questions yet, which makes more sense to me given what I know of Barney's behavior as scum. The fact that he's claimed to have a confirmable role means he'll either be cleared or at the top of my scum list next DP, so he's not the focus of my attention right now.

Maybe I'm misreading this... Austin is the host, so what are you trying to say?

I received a PM from the mod (Austin) saying that I had access to the "chess engine" as a result of something that happened. It was not stated who I received it from, but with Earth's claim, I think we can assume it came from him. What's unclear?

For the sake of progressing things... I'm a tactic.

Option 1. Scum know every role in the game. Least likely but in DP1 they know what everyone's role is, so thus they knew they needed to kill JoeBob NP1. Even then this is the least likely possibility because I doubt there is a mechanic that broken in the game

Option 2. Scum has a noob on the team which results in this action. This includes a player who is overly-paranoid about certain things and tends to overthink. Plus a noob player

Option 3. Pie is scum. Pie tried to draw WIFOM on us with the Savant lynch. He is known to have a policy lynch of Miller's DP2. He could use the argument of "if I was scum why would I kill Savant when I could draw mislynch based on my policy DP2." I could see Pie running with this

I think these are the 3 choices that I have on the table at the moment. The fit for the category of 2 for overthinking or players would aren't as active would be Moozer as a Noob. The second scum partner could be WF. No offense but I've seen WF tend to overthink sometimes when it comes to mafia and it's very possible he overthought the Miller and wanted to lynch. I could also see Barney or Earth doing this as well. Players who tend to take a backseat during the game and let town eat at themselves and debate on this. Option 3 means that Pie is scum for sure but who is his buddy

Can you explain what made you change your opinion on this issue between last night and tonight so quickly?

It wasn’t “quick” it was an 13 hour time differential between the two and I read more into JoeBob where he posted more and outted his role. I wasn’t even fully caught up by the time I wrote 147 and when I explained by being very aggressive on him. To be clear I voted from behavioral analysis and role utility and likelihood of scum and not because of some stupid grammar mistake that 80% of the world makes. I also know town has outted enough info to potential scum at this point so I think out of all the people to lynch in DP1, JoeBob is who I consider the most scummy. I even had him as a scum read in my original analysis. I can go deeper if you’d like

I can only use my ability, protecting one person and making one other person's ability untamperable for one night.

Pie - I think Pie would likely be my top scum read. His spearheading of a JoeBob lynch is quite literally the exact opposite of how he played last game with some minor similiarities.

So wouldn’t this make me town?

As I stated in Option 3 of my theories, I don't put it past Pie to go and push a Savant NK to give himself town cred using the WIFOM strategy. Seems like that behavior analyzing and all that is something he tends to do. 

But I didn’t use the WIFOM strategy?

Can you explain what made you change your opinion on this issue between last night and tonight so quickly?

It wasn’t “quick” it was an 13 hour time differential between the two and I read more into JoeBob where he posted more and outted his role. I wasn’t even fully caught up by the time I wrote 147 and when I explained by being very aggressive on him. To be clear I voted from behavioral analysis and role utility and likelihood of scum and not because of some stupid grammar mistake that 80% of the world makes. I also know town has outted enough info to potential scum at this point so I think out of all the people to lynch in DP1, JoeBob is who I consider the most scummy. I even had him as a scum read in my original analysis. I can go deeper if you’d like

What about pie's behavior was "aggressive" then? Because when you voted for joebob it was an exact echo of all the thoughts pie had made throughout the day phase. The grammar thing was barely mentioned after being the initial reason for him targeting joebob in the first place. 

What about pie's behavior was "aggressive" then? 

I didn't drastically change my vote but I kept reading the DP to catch up. Pie's analysis was more based on behavior and mine included some behavior but was more focused on role analytics and psych more than anything. 

To answer this because I don't really think I did in the last post, Pie directly targeted and used minuet details to build up an argument. He kept pushing on JoeBob constantly that caused JoeBob to break down IMO. He kept pushing and pushing and getting town to lynch him hard that caused JoeBob to slip up and be behaviorally scum read. Plus the role as well being outted

During the NP, I received a message from Austin saying that I was granted access to a "chess engine" at the expense of my night action, which functioned as a 1X Cop. Based on the claim he just gave of Stockfish (which is a chess engine), I can confirm that he targeted me. Unfortunately, I made the decision to target him (he obviously copped innocent), so he's basically double confirmed at this point.

I didn't drastically change my vote but I kept reading the DP to catch up. Pie's analysis was more based on behavior and mine included some behavior but was more focused on role analytics and psych more than anything. 

To answer this because I don't really think I did in the last post, Pie directly targeted and used minuet details to build up an argument. He kept pushing on JoeBob constantly that caused JoeBob to break down IMO. He kept pushing and pushing and getting town to lynch him hard that caused JoeBob to slip up and be behaviorally scum read. Plus the role as well being outted

I am all for the "changed my mind argument". However the "we had different reasons for voting" argument... hmmm...

I find this interesting. Lets dissect the real reasons then and see what the differences were between your reasons and pies reasons. Shall we?

Your post 268 is where you actually end up voting him. 

Reason 1: The useless role argument.

Pies words post 165 : There’s no reason for scum to kill him. If he’s town then his results are delayed anyways. Let’s assume for sake of argument we lynch a townie today and NK is success. It becomes 5-2. We’d only be able to lynch JoeBob and it would be 3-2 LYLO with one result assuming he’s telling the truth. It makes no sense. One night’s worth of results for getting himself lynched? I don’t like it at all. I’m fine lynching him today

Supa's words: I am kind of just analyzing this now, but let's look deeper into his role for a second. We can only see what types of actions he did after he dies. This essentially makes him useless for what we know and his mechanic. Because the only point where we can actually lynch JoeBob is DP2 if he is actually town. Let's think for a second. The only way we even get info from him is if he dies. This means it gives him an excuse as to why he's staying alive as a tracker and word of mouth for the most part. We can't lynch him DP3 because it comes down to this. Lets say we lynch town DP1. 5v2 likely. The only way we can get info and not lose the game is if we lynch DP2 and that's only 1 NP of information and at that point it is a policy lynch. If town is fine with that then, not sure. 

Literally an exact echo.

Reason 2: Joebob is being defensive

Pie's words to joebob: And your behavior at this point. Never seen you so defensive.

Pies words to me about joebob: He’s strawmanning my argument which I picked up as well. 

Supa's words: I also am looking at behavior and JoeBob is acting a bit unusual from what I've seen him play as town. He is somewhat deflecting the main criticism and just pushing it as "idiot town" and "tunnelling" and not fully addressing the point of why we are suspicious of him. 

Another Echo.

 Pie's analysis was more based on behavior and mine included some behavior but was more focused on role analytics and psych more than anything. Not really buddying off Pie's logic. Plus as JoeBob kept typing the more he attributed the reasons I voted him

So again supa, how was yall's reasoning any different? Pie was either too agressive or he wasn't. I would accept a simple "I changed my mind" but you are actually trying to tell me you voted joebob for different reasons then pies and i'm not seeing the differences. 

I am not saying that we didn't have the same reasoning. We both scum read him for the same reasons behaviorally, but we voted for him for different reasons. Pie's was more behavioral and mine was more role utility

That's the same reasoning doesn't mean that's why Pie primarily pushed him. It's basic mechanic on his role. Can't argue mechanics and how we go about it because that's a game mechanic.

I never said MY reasons for lynching were different. I said what PUSHED the votes were different. Pie's push started from the grammar mistake which I simply read as not enough to base a read. When his behavior started to get more defensive and more SPECIFICALLY when he OUTTED HIS ROLE is when I was convinced he was scum. 

The primary reason has nothing to do with this argument. It's been stated multiple times that was the most minor part of his FOS. It was an opener into questioning joebob. You said you have different reasons, but literally parroted every point. 

For the sake of progressing things... I'm a tactic.

At this point you need to full claim

What is MISO? I am guessing MYLO but what is the acronym? Also why do you keep listing moozer as a bodyguard protector? He says protect, not sacrifice himself for, so wouldn't that function more as 1x universal doctor? and the second part of his role as an enabler seing as he prevents  a rook from essentially being roleblocked?

Even then I had a completely different reason into voting him too that I tried to keep hidden to not leak info out there, but I guess since this looks like it’s going to be constant, I figured I’d say it. I’d rather not say now unless the town really would want me to 

I misremembered the short phrase, it should have been MILO; got an S where there should be an L... Granted, these short forms are annoying for not being acronyms.

Whiteflame did most of the dashboard building so far this game, including adding Moozer's role. It did occur to me that it doesn't line up quite right, but I can't think of what the rook part of the role would equate to in a normal game, so I've left it as is. At a glance, we remember that he's some type of protector, and we have a link to his original claim if we need to drill down later in the game for actions which do not match claims.

Supa/Vader is an interesting query. He basically taught me how to play this game, and he used to be kinda obvious when scum, but still won in spite of that. He'd basically confuse the issue with a major gambit, then NK whomever was saying he was scum, and then everyone would forget. Now days, I'd say look for patterns he forms a little too early.

This game, he claims to have some useful power... If it's proven he doesn't, then we lynch, but that isn't today..

So to clarify, you declined access to the chess engine? Were you told what it would do?