Chess Mafia DP2

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@whiteflame
Yeah, it's kind of baffling. Savant would have consistently been a target of some suspicion and, given that he said he couldn't confirm the second aspect of his role, I wouldn't have seen him as much of a risk to leave alive.
They probably thought that because he was a Miller, the second part must be very powerful. Worked out to our advantage though. No Miller for MYLO/LYLO
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Soldier is pretty powerful but I think that would have been a hard claim to believe too. 
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I'll take it. Honestly would've been suspicious of him all the way up to the end.
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@Earth
Whatever your role is:

A) Did you actually target WF (I ask because Moozer basically claimed a Strengthener)

B) Did you target him because you scumread him or townread him?
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poor savant hasnt made it past dp1 once...
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Yeah the NK doesn't make sense because even if scum knew he was the role, they could've just used him as a mislynch target because of the Miller aspect and his role. I have a few theories though
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@Lunatic
poor savant hasnt made it past dp1 once...
Well he did his job this game so kudos to him. Next mod needs to make him a Commuter tho 
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 I have a few theories though
go on....
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@Vader
Yeah the NK doesn't make sense because even if scum knew he was the role, they could've just used him as a mislynch target because of the Miller aspect and his role. I have a few theories though
Let’s hear them
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I would also like reads from you all. My reads are coming next post
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Your my top town read for your behavior last day phase and another reason I dont want to get into right now. 

Im gonna take whiteflame and earth's "confirmations" with a grain of salt, but I don't see any reason for either of them to give more information about their character or roles at this point. 

Barney hasn't contributed enough for me to form a read on yet. 

Moozer is suspicious by POE.

My top scum read is supa at the moment. I will go further into detail on this soon, but I wanna hear his "theories" first. 
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I would like claims from Barney and Earth 
And I'd like a pastrami sandwich. We don't always get what we want.
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VOTECOUNT:

Barney (1/4): Pie


Just flavor. Nothing to see here (totally).


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Didn't you just ask me not to claim further?
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Alright so here are some of them. I honestly think there is some more viability than others but I have some

Option 1. Scum know every role in the game. Least likely but in DP1 they know what everyone's role is, so thus they knew they needed to kill JoeBob NP1. Even then this is the least likely possibility because I doubt there is a mechanic that broken in the game

Option 2. Scum has a noob on the team which results in this action. This includes a player who is overly-paranoid about certain things and tends to overthink. Plus a noob player

Option 3. Pie is scum. Pie tried to draw WIFOM on us with the Savant lynch. He is known to have a policy lynch of Miller's DP2. He could use the argument of "if I was scum why would I kill Savant when I could draw mislynch based on my policy DP2." I could see Pie running with this

I think these are the 3 choices that I have on the table at the moment. The fit for the category of 2 for overthinking or players would aren't as active would be Moozer as a Noob. The second scum partner could be WF. No offense but I've seen WF tend to overthink sometimes when it comes to mafia and it's very possible he overthought the Miller and wanted to lynch. I could also see Barney or Earth doing this as well. Players who tend to take a backseat during the game and let town eat at themselves and debate on this. Option 3 means that Pie is scum for sure but who is his buddy

I am not sure but those are my option at the moment for theories.
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Town:
Pie

Lean Town:
Earth - Basically copped innocent but not 100% confirmed. Odds are high he is town though with double confirmation

Lunatic - I like the questioning of Supa. Nothing jumps out to me right now. The analysis also has been good, but you never know.

Tilt Town:
Whiteflame - I can never read this guy but nothing sticks out to me as of now. From my understanding, Earth targeted WF with a 1x Cop and WF gave up his action to use that. He used that on Earth. It’s possible as scum he just didn’t use it since he already knows the affiliation, which is why I don’t think much of it. He’s doing everything right so far though and the fact that he confirmed Earth instead of anyone else is also a plus. Could an Earth/WF team be possible? Maybe. But I don’t think so at this juncture.

Null:
Moozer - I want them replaced. Hasn’t said enough.

Lean Scum:
Vader - I don’t like his reasoning for voting JoeBob. Reading it in the NP, it sounds exactly like the things WF and I already provided. There’s not much original thought there. The switch the Lunatic pointed out also rubbed me the wrong way.

Barney - Inactive. Never got to answering any of my questions. Need full claim from him.
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@Earth
Didn't you just ask me not to claim further?
That’s correct. I’m not asking for your role. I’m asking you to answer the questions. They’re not indicative of any role.
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@whiteflame
During the NP, I received a message from Austin saying that I was granted access to a "chess engine" at the expense of my night action, which functioned as a 1X Cop. Based on the claim he just gave of Stockfish (which is a chess engine), I can confirm that he targeted me. Unfortunately, I made the decision to target him (he obviously copped innocent), so he's basically double confirmed at this point.
Maybe I'm misreading this... Austin is the host, so what are you trying to say?
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@Barney
And I'd like a pastrami sandwich. We don't always get what we want.
I can get what with a side of 3 votes :)
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@Lunatic
Barney hasn't contributed enough for me to form a read on yet. 

Moozer is suspicious by POE.

My top scum read is supa at the moment. I will go further into detail on this soon, but I wanna hear his "theories" first. 
No reason for Moozer to put right away imo. I’m fine getting a claim from Barney and/or Supa
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@Barney
Maybe I'm misreading this... Austin is the host, so what are you trying to say?
I received a PM from the mod (Austin) saying that I had access to the "chess engine" as a result of something that happened. It was not stated who I received it from, but with Earth's claim, I think we can assume it came from him. What's unclear?

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That’s correct. I’m not asking for your role. I’m asking you to answer the questions. They’re not indicative of any role.
I'm going to decline, at least for a little while.
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I will be on in a couple hours, I have to drive to work and get settled in, then I am free to post some more. There's some things from last day phase I noticed and I want to get into. 
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Dashboard
PLAYER                        ROLE                            CHAR__________          _NP1

2. Pie                               ???                                   ???                              
3. whiteflame              ???                                   ???                           Copped Earth Inno
4. Moozer              BG+Protector                Castling
6. Lunatic                      ???                                  ???
7. Vader                          ???                                  ???
8. Barney                       ???                                  ???
9. Earth                     Stockfish                 "chess engine"            Gave WF chess engine

Killed/Lynched

1. Savant              Miller+Soldier                 Pawn
5. Joebob            Flipped Tracker     Algebraic Notation

I think that about covers what we know so far.

Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.
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@Earth
I'm going to decline, at least for a little while.
Fair enough
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@whiteflame
Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.
Very interesting. 
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In the order from most likely town to least likely town


Earth - Gave a role to whiteflame and whiteflamed confirmed. At this point he is likely the top town read due to his confirmation. Behaviorally I would say it holds up with his play as town as well so he's top town read

whiteflame - I don't see anything from whiteflame that deviated from his play last game. Consistent analytical reasoning, not too gun hoe on certain reads. Looks carefully at each situation while trying to theme analyze. Tends to focus on one player but looks at the other options. My theory above does state someone like WF could be scum, and this is true, I think behaviorally and the confirmation from Earth, he's slight town. He's lower than Earth because scum can receive objects (from the basic analytics of this role and function but I could 100% be wrong)

Barney - I know people want a claim from Barney but I think he's been consistent with what I've seen from him as town. Not taking a back seat, playing relatively passive and joking-ish compared to his game when he was scum with Austin, really not refusing to make a big claim til he is forced to (like when we were both cops in Luna's Invincible). Behavior seems consistent with town but not really sure

Luna - Luna is tough to read for me because in DP1 he tends to post in bulk. He is also really buddy buddy with Pie for some reason and I find that quite strange. Oddly buddying Pie in DP1 as well with JoeBob then calls me out for doing that in the last game. Almost seems like he's fabricating his reads and trying to hard push lynches. It's a bit suspicious to me.

Moozer - Moozer is a tough read because he's new but my read lies within the effort given into the game. Phrases such as "I'm just gonna vote with the majority," and quickclaiming seem to be his meta. I don't wanna go and pick on the new person because he is new, but it seems like he's just half efforting it and not really trying to make cohecive points. I also think the Savant NK reflects that the possibility of noob to be on scum team

Pie - I think Pie would likely be my top scum read. His spearheading of a JoeBob lynch is quite literally the exact opposite of how he played last game with some minor similiarities. As I stated in Option 3 of my theories, I don't put it past Pie to go and push a Savant NK to give himself town cred using the WIFOM strategy. Seems like that behavior analyzing and all that is something he tends to do. 

None of my reads are that strong besides maybe Earth

I am open to lynching those 4 in that order but I don't have enough of a read to push Pie or anyone that's around that range because most of it relies on behavior analysis at the moment
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Who would you like to pressure? Vader or Barney? Also reads?
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Who would you like to pressure? Vader or Barney? Also reads?
I'm working on it. Rarely ever make these posts short.