The Heroes of Olympus Mafia DP1

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@Barney
It was just random that I picked Dp5. Like rolling a dice.
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I would rather vote joebob than see a no lynch so consider my vote tentatively on him
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If he doesn't post before the DP ends in ~4 hours with this much pressure on him, then that's on him at this point. I'd still prefer the GP lynch, but I'll make my decision on that if it gets close to the mark. People can make their own calls on a lack of response.
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@whiteflame
I would prefer you just switchover so I don't have to help with joebob. I think it's more beneficial to town
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@WyIted
That's what I'm more likely to do at the moment. If I see JoeBob hop online without posting, though, I might change my mind.


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I will vote either JoeBob or GreyParrot. I have no preference on which. I also am picking my classes later. I think there are enough votes that he has pressure at the moment. Depending on claim I will switch my vote but I also still think Grey would put town in the safest position
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@JoeBob
I also want a claim. I won't vote to prevent any mafia quick hammer but I want a claim
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Official Vote Count:

Greyparrot (5/6) - Best Korea, Wylted, JoeBob, Vader, Earth
JoeBob (4/6) - Grey, Lunatic, Whiteflame, Barney

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@whiteflame
About the soldier thing:

How Soldier has appeared in previous games doesn't necessarily dictate how it will appear in this game, but if I remember correctly, the role you're thinking about is Survivor.
No, I'm pretty sure I got it right. It's not a third party - it's simply a town role that gives town an extra way to win by surviving into endgame. The thing is, Pie literally used the exact same role in previous games, I can link them if you want. The chance he suddenly switches it to another definition is very low. Furthermore, it's the only definition that makes sense as a fakeclaim. 

That being said, I'm going to drop this, since I don't think it's very helpful, and it's pretty clear that GP has no reason to lie about this.




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Second, my issue with the wagon on JoeBob isn’t that there is no basis for it. I’ve already acknowledged the lurking as a basis (and, to a lesser extent, the sheeping). My problem has been the specific behavioral cues that are setting people off, all of which seem to be issues that don’t take into account his past play and view in him a vacuum, which has become the common means of eliminating newer players early for some reason, often to our detriment. Beyond that, it would be one thing if they were pursuing him for a claim. It’s quite another to say that these reasons are sufficient for a lynch. I’m fine with pushing on him for future DPs. I want more information, which is part of the reason I’m fine with the lynch on GP since it will clear several things up for me. I don’t think just getting a lynch on JoeBob serves us as well (and frankly, I haven’t seen anyone justify its utility beyond just saying he’s behaviorally off), not with such limited scum tells that could easily be the result of playing two games at the same time (the lurking) or his scattered attempts to understand a role that’s been called out as a player who has never seen it before (the sheeping).
This is some serious fluffposting BTW. A paragraph of text boils down to acknowledging the behavioral reads on Joebob, and weakly suggesting pushing him later. I'm skeptical that whiteflame really made a serious attempt to analyze Joebob's behavior.
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@AustinL0926
I did check back into your previous posts and saw the links. They did say Soldier, so point taken.
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Anyway I'm not going to vote anyone for now, y'all have enough votes to choose a wagon without me. Again, I usually don't vote unless I'm willing to see someone lynched at that moment
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@AustinL0926
That is the definition of antitown 
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This is some serious fluffposting BTW. A paragraph of text boils down to acknowledging the behavioral reads on Joebob, and weakly suggesting pushing him later. I'm skeptical that whiteflame really made a serious attempt to analyze Joebob's behavior.
I'm honestly just so tired of this at this point. I've given my thoughts on JoeBob. I didn't add to them here because I was already clear. All I did was push back on your characterization. And I already am pushing JoeBob, so if you still think I'm scummy, then fine, whatever.

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@WyIted
Explain? I simply think that voting without actually intending to lynch is pointless. It makes the votes effectively meaningless
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@AustinL0926
There is less than 3 hours left if somebody is not in your town pile and viable your vote should br on the.
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@AustinL0926
Explain? I simply think that voting without actually intending to lynch is pointless. It makes the votes effectively meaningless
It doesn't. Seeking information with the aim of making a decision based off that information is not meaningless. If the claim isn't convincing, it's a basis for going through with the lynch. If it is convincing, we have an alternative.

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I'm honestly just so tired of this at this point. I've given my thoughts on JoeBob. I didn't add to them here because I was already clear. All I did was push back on your characterization. And I already am pushing JoeBob, so if you still think I'm scummy, then fine, whatever.
I don't know much about whiteflame's meta, but that tone doesn't strike me as very cooperative
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@whiteflame
It doesn't. Seeking information with the aim of making a decision based off that information is not meaningless. If the claim isn't convincing, it's a basis for going through with the lynch. If it is convincing, we have an alternative.
Then you might as well threaten to vote if you just want to seek information. Anyway, that's a problem for mafia philosophy. I will vote if there's less than 30 min in the DP left and no one else is willing to change
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@AustinL0926
I'll vote GP if he doesn't come online and we'll sort this out next DP. Your choice if you'd rather pull that trigger first. Personally, I'd like to get that information this DP, and if he refuses to provide it, then we can act on the lynch, not just threaten it. That's generally how these things work.
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I don't know much about whiteflame's meta, but that tone doesn't strike me as very cooperative
As for this, I'd say actively ignoring that I'd already provided extensive thoughts on JoeBob only to call a response to your thoughts "fluff posting" isn't helpful. I'm not interested in reiterating everything I've ever said about him just to make clear that, yes, I've been considering his behavior. So, no, I'm not particularly willing to cooperate with someone who only considers my most recent posts when he responds to me. I'm willing to cooperate on a lynch, but I'm not going to revisit every post I've ever made just to address a response that takes scant little of what I've said and what's happened since into account.

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I like how people ask me stuff expecting me to respond when they know I’m at school. And I still am. Don’t vote me. Give me 50 god damn minutes and I’ll full claim or whatever.
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You have 1 hour
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Ok. I’ll just say it now. I am Nico. I am Emissary. Each night I get some insight on who a town member is. It probably won’t tell me flat out, but we could try to peice it together.
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@whiteflame
I still don't understand your wild theories on soldier. If you have another game or source that says it isn't town, I would be happy to look at it.
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@JoeBob
 It probably won’t tell me flat out, but we could try to peice it together.

Seems a tad vague...
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@JoeBob
What type of insight?
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Role cop or it tells you character or what?
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@WyIted
As to who is a town person. It will confirm them as town though if we figure out who it’s trying to say.