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@ADreamOfLiberty
the giant vacuum maid
That would be Megamaid, sir. She’s gone from suck to blow!
Like Fani Willis getting busted, now Letitia James is busted too!!!
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@Amber
He paid all his loans back. No victim. No complainant. No crime. No fraud.That's not how the law works.Yes, it does. You clearly know nothing about the law in question in direct relationship to the common business practices of real estate and banking where loans for development and expansion are concerned. Kevin O'leary proves this point (linked above).
Every real estate investor seeks to inflate the value of their assets when it is favorable to them, just as I have done. What they don't do is claim their 10k sq ft penthouses are actually 30k sq ft. That's not a quibble over the value, that's fraud.
Taken to it's logical conclusion, O'Leary's argument is that there is no such thing as financial fraud and investors can say anything they want with no regard to the concept of truth and reality. That's absurd.
Your comparison of this fact of reality to a speeding ticket is childishly ignorant.
What's ignorant is pretending that the principal which makes a speeding ticket a legitimate and enforceable punishment in response to unacceptable conduct suddenly doesn't apply when we're talking about Donald Trump.
There are two types of enforcement for any wrongdoing in any sense; immediate and principal.
Immediate means the punishment is based on the immediate harm caused. Principal is about ensuring that dangerous behavior is kept in check. Putting someone in jail for murder is mostly about the former. Speeding tickets are an example of the latter.
We enforce the latter on the basis that *if* such behavior were normalized, it would be haful to society. For example: *if* real estate investors were permitted to make up whatever lies they wanted when applying for loans, the end result is that there would be far more loans given or than otherwise which would drive up everyone's interest rates to account for the scammers. It's not a victimless crime, it is harmful to society as a whole if such behavior is discovered and discarded, as you seem to want, because Trump.
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@Double_R
In the end, investors will decide if it's worth investing in a state that could suddenly confiscate all your wealth if you say the wrong things in public. This is the dark side of state-run communism, and a costly one.
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@Double_R
the end result is that there would be far more loans given or than otherwise which would drive up everyone's interest rates to account for the scammers. It's not a victimless crime, it is harmful to society as a whole if such behavior is discovered and discarded, as you seem to want, because Trump.
Interesting point, because the real criminal in that situation are the banks that refused to do due diligence and the real victims are the taxpayers that bailed them out. You just accurately described the Barney Frank banking crisis when the real estate market bottomed out. Only this time... nope... you are still not holding the banks accountable.
Imagine that. Of course in Trump's case, there were no victims. And the DA didn't charge the banks with a crime for failing to assess a property before handing out a government backed loan.... Hochul was right...this is all about Trump...and you agree.
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@Double_R
What's ignorant is pretending that the principal which makes a speeding ticket a legitimate and enforceable punishment in response to unacceptable conduct suddenly doesn't apply when we're talking about Donald Trump.
What is ignorant is pretending you can't use traffic tickets to harass someone to the point of being driven out of a city. You certainly can.
Especially if the judge doesn't care about the facts and opts for the maximum fine every time.
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@Double_R
Clearly the fact that Trump's lawyers and financial people who set up those applications for a loan whereby they placed a clear disclaimer in their proposal to the banks to verify the value/worth/data on his properties themselves when making their decision completely and utterly escapes you.
Having such disclaimers quashes your (and fraudster James') argument of fraud.
And doubling down on your ignorant false comparison of a speeding ticket to a bank loan is pretty, well, just screams denial.
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@Greyparrot
Spot on. I wouldn't invest one cent in New York. They have set precedent, you don't tow the political line, they will use the legal system to bankrupt you or imprison you. The constitution and the rule of law means nothing in that state.
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@Amber
As he sat on the witness stand in a New York courtroom in November, Donald Trump reached into his pocket, pulled out a piece of paper and tried to hand it to the judge. Trump explained the document showed the standard disclaimer he used on financial records he sent to lenders — essentially saying they can’t rely on him to tell the truth. These disclaimers are likely to come up again and again in his defense case, which kicked off at the civil fraud trial against him.
The judge, who refused to accept the document Trump tried to hand him in court, has already rejected the disclaimer argument over and over, signaling it will be a losing strategy for the former president and his real estate business.
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@FLRW
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@Greyparrot
In the end, investors will decide if it's worth investing in a state that could suddenly confiscate all your wealth if you say the wrong things in public.
Agreed, in the end investors will have to decide whether to invest based on right wing prapoganda or based on reality.
This btw, is exactly what it means to be in a cult. It used to be common sense that when you commit fraud, meaning when you blatantly lie on official legal documents in an effort to obtain something of value (like a loan) that if you get caught (perhaps because you decided to run for president resulting in your entire life being placed under a microscope, especially your financial life which you decided to make the centerpiece of your political campaign) then you would have to suffer the consequences.
But in cult world where up is down, black is white and triangles have four sides... getting caught and suffering the consequences = it's a political witch hunt by the state and after they come for Trump they will be coming for every investor in the state who says the wrong thing and arresting them for being off by a dollar on their latest real estate evaluation.
The MAGA base's entire world view is being molded everyday by Donald Trump, and it's all about whatever is best for him personally, the rest of us be damned.
Interesting point, because the real criminal in that situation are the banks that refused to do due diligence
So, in your world view, when an investor blatantly lies in order to falsely inflate the value of their assets, it's the banks fault for being frauded, not the investor's fault for defrauding them. Is that right?
*Grabs the popcorn while awaiting for the complete non-answer to follow*
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@Amber
Clearly the fact that Trump's lawyers and financial people who set up those applications for a loan whereby they placed a clear disclaimer in their proposal to the banks to verify the value/worth/data on his properties themselves when making their decision completely and utterly escapes you.
Again, not how the law works. Lying on a loan application is fraud. You don't get to waive the law by placing a disclaimer on the loan applications that says "I'm committing fraud".
This is one of those Trumpian lies. We call it Trumpian because there's just no other word for it, it's so brazen and so stupid that it isn't even intended as a legal defense and no qualified self respecting attorney would ever make because it will get laughed out of any trial. It's only put out there because it sounds good to ignorant people thereby giving Trump all of the ammunition he needs to proclaim himself the victim (his constant go-to). It's a political defense, nothing more.
And doubling down on your ignorant false comparison of a speeding ticket to a bank loan is pretty, well, just screams denial.
And yet you have no response to it other than to call it names. Care to ponder why that is?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What is ignorant is pretending you can't use traffic tickets to harass someone
No one here has argued anything remotely similar to this.
Is there any reason in particular you seem hell bent on contorting everything I say? Do my actual arguments bother you that much that you can't even face them?
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@Double_R
No one here has argued anything remotely similar to this.
Lol, literally everyone here has. You just don't want to listen. When New York becomes a massively boycotted and avoided state, you will still see this as cultish behavior instead of a normal reaction to tyrannical communism where the state can discretionally take all your stuff if you say the wrong thing in public. This is what TDS does to people in a one party state. They have no idea that most of the country doesn't belong to a 1 party cult.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So the courts reduced his bail to about 1/3
While other far-left talking heads brought on guests to warn about the consequences of actually confiscating private property in the middle of an election and what that message sends to non-Democrats (70% of the country)
It's actually predictable that Trump would simply allow the NY DA to become his greatest campaign ad, even if it costs him millions for that ad.
Take special note at the 9:20 mark in that clip where Trump-hater Luntz predicts a Trump win over this. He is spot on.
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@FLRW
And anyone with a brain KNOWS what the judge said is pure horse crap!
Every product, service in this country has a "disclaimer." Each respective in its intent and designed purpose. The banks testified on his behalf and said they would do business again with him BECAUSE they make money off him paying off his loans. Banks know full well they need to investigate the risk vs reward of loaning money to someone, even individuals do too. Too bad Doyle didn't do a better job of it when he agreed to loan $3M to the Irish Society when they WAY over inflated the value of their building. Too bad their "disclaimer" didn't include Letitia James coming into it protecting them from any need or worry of fulfilling their end of the contractual loan, which she just waived the corrupt democratic hand of "loan forgiveness" at an actual victim's expense.
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@Double_R
<<<Amber>>>Clearly the fact that Trump's lawyers and financial people who set up those applications for a loan whereby they placed a clear disclaimer in their proposal to the banks to verify the value/worth/data on his properties themselves when making their decision completely and utterly escapes you.Again, not how the law works.
It's exactly how it works and how it has worked for decades upon decades between banks and real estate developers.
Lying on a loan application is fraud.
Who is the victim? Not the banks who gave him the loan application.
Conducting business as usual =/= lying either. That's how banks and real estate developers work.
You don't get to waive the law by placing a disclaimer on the loan applications that says "I'm committing fraud".
What the Irish Society did to Doyle was actual fraud, and Letitia James aided and abetted them in doing it.
This is one of those Trumpian lies.
No, it is not. You Trump Derangement Syndrome "Cry Wolf" types make up fiction as you go along, then double down on it to try and make it sound truer when it's patently false.
And doubling down on your ignorant false comparison of a speeding ticket to a bank loan is pretty, well, just screams denial.And yet you have no response to it other than to call it names. Care to ponder why that is?
Nowhere in that sentence you quoted am I calling you a name, or any names for that matter. More fiction on your part.
[Double_R] But in cult world where up is down, black is white and triangles have four sides...
....this is anything more than pathetic denial:
[Double_R] Please find one example of democrats "denying election results""I think he is an illegitimate president that didn't really win.""You are absolutely right" - Kamela Harris"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016, he lost the election." - Jimmy Carter[Double_R] Just because someone uses the same words didn't mean they're saying the same thing.
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@Greyparrot
What is ignorant is pretending you can't use traffic tickets to harass someoneNo one here has argued anything remotely similar to this.Lol, literally everyone here has. You just don't want to listen.
Everyone here has argued that traffic tickets can be used to harass people? Wow GP, I must be responding in the wrong thread. Could you point me to where this fictional conservation you speak of is taking place?
When New York becomes a massively boycotted and avoided state,
It won't. Please take note of this moment, then take note five years from now when nothing has changed. Maybe then you'll finally start to see that you live in a fantasy world.
you will still see this as cultish behavior instead of a normal reaction to tyrannical communism where the state can discretionally take all your stuff if you say the wrong thing in public
It's cultish behavior because it's a reaction to a made up narrative that people believe only because Donald Trump told them to believe it.
How absolutely amusing and yet depressing watching the same group of people who spent the past 8 years screaming about law and order suddenly argue enforcing the law is tyranny when it happens to Donald Trump.
This is what TDS does to people in a one party state. They have no idea that most of the country doesn't belong to a 1 party cult.
And the "left wing cult" just welcomed it's newest member, Donald Trump's former VP. Crazy how this minority of left wrong radicals who occupy only the furthest reaches of the political left manage to keep swallowing up Trump's own inner circle.
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@Double_R
then take note five years from now when nothing has changed.
It's already changing. Far-left radicals are breaking out of the left wing cult as New Yorkers regularly see their stuff getting stolen by those in power who give it all away to illegal invaders. Popularity in the cult is dropping. Protests are on the rise. The age of tyrannical communism has a beginning and an end.
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@Greyparrot
One can hope. Either they'll need to continue on the exponential collapse path or they don't. Either way things will change.
The real question is whether the rest of us will be able to prevent the federal government from being used (as it currently is) to steal from productive areas to prop up the collapse.
I don't just mean direct taxation and aid, I mean the inflation -> federal spending -> Just so happens to make a bunch of people in urban areas richer
Apparently there are already 13 congressional seats be assigned to represent people who can't legally vote. I'm sure the deep state doesn't care how bad these cities get so long as they are big on the census and they can win those "elections". The more sane people who flee the easier it will be to win since they can just cut the illegals off if they actually did try to vote against the deep state.
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@Amber
Again, not how the law works.It's exactly how it works
Here is NY law:
Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term "repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.
Pretending that this isn't the law, or pretending that the law itself is irrelevant just exposes you to be nothing more than a partisan hack.
Fraud is still fraud and is still illegal regardless of how willing you are to pretend the dear leader can do no wrong.
Lying on a loan application is fraud.Who is the victim?
If I drive through a school zone doing 90 who is the victim? Go ahead, point to someone. And if you can't then guess what... You're still going to jail if you try it and get caught.
Victimless crimes are still crimes. They always have been and they always will be.
Conducting business as usual =/= lying either.
No, lying = lying. Like listing your 11k square foot penthouse as a 30k square foot penthouse.
What the Irish Society did to Doyle was actual fraud, and Letitia James aided and abetted them in doing it.
Your whataboutism is irrelevant. We're talking Trump and NY law, not Letitia James.
This is one of those Trumpian lies.No, it is not. You Trump Derangement Syndrome "Cry Wolf" types make up fiction as you go along, then double down on it to try and make it sound truer when it's patently false.
I'm not the one trying to argue that fraud =/= fraud.
And doubling down on your ignorant false comparison of a speeding ticket to a bank loan is pretty, well, just screams denial.And yet you have no response to it other than to call it names. Care to ponder why that is?Nowhere in that sentence you quoted am I calling you a name, or any names for that matter.
I didn't say you were calling me a name, I said you were calling "it" (as in my argument) names. Calling it ignorant and false is not the same thing as refuting it. If my analogy was so off base you would be able to point out why, but apparently you can't.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
[Double_R] But in cult world where up is down, black is white and triangles have four sides.......this is anything more than pathetic denial:[Double_R] Please find one example of democrats "denying election results""I think he is an illegitimate president that didn't really win.""You are absolutely right" - Kamela Harris"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016, he lost the election." - Jimmy Carter[Double_R] Just because someone uses the same words didn't mean they're saying the same thing.
I went on to explain in great detail how language works, the role context plays in understanding what someone is saying, and then went on to explain the context in these specific examples to show you how they were saying something completely different.
Did you respond to any of that? No, of course you didn't. You just keep repeating the same thing on a loop as if your nonsense has not already been debunked. I can see why you believe the silly things you do; your bandwidth is severely limited. Apparently the language and context conversation is where your limit is reached so anything that requires you to understand that first will forever return nothing but an error message; "hard drive full".
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@Greyparrot
then take note five years from now when nothing has changed.It's already changing. Far-left radicals are breaking out of the left wing cult as New Yorkers regularly see their stuff getting stolen by those in power who give it all away to illegal invaders.
Are these far left radicals in the room with you right now?
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@Double_R
Did you respond to any of that? No, of course you didn't.
There isn't really a complicated response to patronizing and clearly irrelevant sophistry.
You don't control language, and you certainly don't get to have it mean different things depending on your biases. You're in the cult world of your own making. For you up is down, black is white, triangles have four sides, and saying "X didn't actually win" (when X was declared to have won by every official body) is not denying (purported) election results.
I'll keep repeatedly quoting you as many times as is necessary to make sure that no one serious mistakes you for a serious person.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Well said.
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@Double_R
And the tyrannical communist response from the deep state:
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@Amber
Tish James ran on prosecuting Trump no matter what it took.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I'll keep repeatedly quoting you as many times as is necessary to make sure that no one serious mistakes you for a serious person.
Most serious people would just present a rational argument instead.
Or you could just keep quoting me as if I hadn't already explained in detail why you are wrong and for which you had no response... Cause that's really going to send the message that I'm the unserious one here...
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@Greyparrot
And the tyrannical communist response from the deep state:
I'm sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here?
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@ILikePie5
Tish James ran on prosecuting Trump no matter what it took.
Straight up TDS pandering.