Now if you can answer the question, is it wrong for those that insist?Without the assumptions and political figures, go ahead and answer appropriately and directly as others have in this thread as well as other topics.If you don't want to or not going to answer the question, just say so .
Is it wrong to insist on therapy for others seeking it to reverse their gender transition?
The fact that she used the word insist already refutes that we're talking about anyone who wants to go through it.She (taking your word on gender) said 'insist' about LGBT. Not the therapy.
" If that is the question, then no, it's not wrong to provide therapy to those who are seeking therapy"Ok very good. This is all the epicenter of this topic really was.All that other stuff you talkin' is imagination running away with you.
Also, context matters. When we're talking about gays/ trans people we're talking about people making choices for themselves.
The idea of someone engaging in a violation of others had nothing to do with the conversation, you injected that into it.
So now your responding to my post attacking the idea you injected. It's not what I was saying.
It's not the point.
I like to have all hearts and minds clear.
Do you have a problem with what you think, keywords: what you think my stance is?
Also, context matters. When we're talking about gays/ trans people we're talking about people making choices for themselves.No we aren't, unless you suggest they choose to be gay/trans, in which case you're backpedalling on the very basis of what you're saying in the first place.
Is [de-conversion therapy] wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?
Nope, I didn't say a pedo or animal luster acting on it (nor did I rule that out), I said the very lust in itself.
Pedos and animal fuckers especially come under this in a way you're alluding to being wrong.
The mind that's attracted to that is no different in helplessness to the mind attracted to one's own gender or that believes it's in a wrong body.
Your logic is to never impose on people a conversion they don't themselves innately want
if gays or trans people want it then what?
If someone does something you think is unhealthy and they think is healthy, would you force therapy?If someone does something you think is healthy, but they think is unhealthy, would you allow therapy?
Liberty says that if a homosexual wants to consult with someone to try and change sexual orientation (or anyone wants to consult with anyone to change anything about themselves) they have that right.
given that psychologists have proven themselves clueless again and again I would say we don't need to answer that question because there is no science to consider.
Liberty says that if a homosexual wants to consult with someone to try and change sexual orientation (or anyone wants to consult with anyone to change anything about themselves) they have that right.Literally the point I have been making.
given that psychologists have proven themselves clueless again and again I would say we don't need to answer that question because there is no science to consider.Right, the experts have no expertise. Apparently you're the only real expert
So why was homosexuality considered a mental disorder of such severity that it warranted chemical castration?
If you're going to keep this judgement of me, there's no essence in interacting with me.
This is a unique issue that you have. I'm not getting this rhetoric from others.
They just interact as appropriate as possible. If you don't believe what I say, why interact with an individual you believe is dishonest?
Don't waste yourself comrade.
For instance when you ask an expert why they were wrong about something they give you the logical error or the bad data that they relied upon. When you ask a pseudo-expert they scoff and walk away.
I would say I'm an expert and recognizing the difference between experts and pseudo-experts.
For instance when you ask an expert why they were wrong about something they give you the logical error or the bad data that they relied upon. When you ask a pseudo-expert they scoff and walk away.So you judge expertise not by having demonstrated results in their feilds
Bullshitters are very good at articulating their bullshit too.
If results = being praised by other so called experts then that means nothing.
You would know, but the lack of substance remains.
If results = being praised by other so called experts then that means nothing.Yep, why would the people who do something for a living recognizing a special ability in an individual doing that very thing be meaningful when I can just declare myself to know better?
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