Is it wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?
Particularly to transgenders being that they regret the decisions made .
Is de-conversion therapy wrong?
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What is de-conversion therapy?
Is it wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?Particularly to transgenders being that they regret the decisions made .
That's a pretty cryptic post.
What is de-conversion therapy?
Who is doing this "insisting"?
And the question you refuse to answer, why do transgender people upset you?
As far as I can tell, you are upset because your handlers told you to be upset, and you don't actually know why, you are just a good MAGA soldier, upset upon orders to be upset.
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@Mall
Is it wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?
I think that people should be gay.
Does that count?
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@Mall
Penis vagina angst manifests in all sorts of crazy ways.
It's interesting how we've developed socio-psychologically, to not be able to come terms with the reality of our reproductive systems.
So we developed all this nouveaux-reality instead. Not based around procreation per se, but focused upon how we extract pleasure from physical processes.
Add in a few heaped spoonful's of pious ideology and the brain goes into melt down for some reason.
Which isn't to suggest that millennia of psychological turmoil has not caused biological systems to evolve.
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@Mall
Is it wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?Particularly to transgenders being that they regret the decisions made .
Yes, it is wrong to insist that someone else be converted into what you want them to be with no regard for what they want themselves to be. Why are we even talking about this?
Everyone makes decisions they later regret, that is not an excuse to advocate for taking that freedom away from others.
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@Double_R
Its a common mistake people make.
They want to prevent others from doing what they will regret.
However, failure and regret is how we learn what we want.
Besides, anything can produce regret.
I would say maybe some high rates of regret and harm could justify banning something, but trans people want to have support and support helps them.
They rarely regret seeking to do what they want, but even if they did regret, it doesnt really prevent them from doing what they want, and judging trans people and misgendering them certainly doesnt help them.
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@Double_R
Yes, it is wrong to insist that someone else be converted into what you want them to be with no regard for what they want themselves to be. Why are we even talking about this?
This is simply false, all job training and correction of prisoners comes to mind.
Pedos and animal fuckers especially come under this in a way you're alluding to being wrong.
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@Best.Korea
Do you want to debate that?
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@Mall
Sure.
If debate is 3 rounds with 2000 character limit.
And topic should be "People should be gay sometimes" with me as Pro.
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@Sidewalker
Until you can quote where I said I was upset like you say, you have committed a loaded question fallacy.
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.
The ones that insist on de-conversion therapy are the ones that are helping those that are seeking the help for the therapy.
Now if you can answer the question, is it wrong for those that insist?
Without the assumptions and political figures, go ahead and answer appropriately and directly as others have in this thread as well as other topics.
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.
The ones that insist on de-conversion therapy are the ones that are helping those that are seeking the help for the therapy.
Now if you can answer the question, is it wrong for those that insist?
Without the assumptions and political figures, go ahead and answer appropriately and directly as others have in this thread as well as other topics.
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@Best.Korea
I don't think you're serious .
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@RationalMadman
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.
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@Double_R
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.
The ones that insist on de-conversion therapy are the ones that are helping those that are seeking the help for the therapy.
Do you support those that transition as well as those that reverse the transition?
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@Mall
Well, you can either debate either not.
There is no way to de-convert transgender people.
How do you put a penis back? Or a boob? Impossible, unless you give them a prosthesis which doesn’t help much.
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@RationalMadman
This is simply false, all job training and correction of prisoners comes to mind.Pedos and animal fuckers especially come under this in a way you're alluding to being wrong.
You have a right to decide what's best for yourself. You don't have a right to violate others. Obvious difference.
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@Mall
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.The ones that insist on de-conversion therapy are the ones that are helping those that are seeking the help for the therapy.Do you support those that transition as well as those that reverse the transition?
I support the right of people to decide what's best for themselves, regardless of whether they are transitioning or de-transitioning.
The question asked was whether it was wrong to insist that LGBTQ or Trans people go through de-conversion therapy. You're trying to justify the negative position on that by suggesting it's about helping trans people. I can't speak to any individual's motivations, but on a wider scale that's complete bullshit. Transphobia is rampant on the political right, that's why this issue is constantly being conflated with protecting children from pedophiles and groomers despite them having absolutely nothing to do with each other. The motivation for pushing de-conversation therapy on a mass scale is beyond obvious.
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@Double_R
You have a right to decide what's best for yourself. You don't have a right to violate others. Obvious difference.
no there isn't, you said this:
Yes, it is wrong to insist that someone else be converted into what you want them to be with no regard for what they want themselves to be. Why are we even talking about this?
This applies to all people you change in ways you deem better that isn't how they naturally are. You have an assumption that no gays and lesbians etc want to be turned straight and also have an assumptions that all pedos and bestiality people do, this is my point.
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@Double_R
what do you define as 'want' btw?
isn't conversion therapy meant to make you want what you didn't before?
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@Double_R
->@MallIs it wrong to insist on the l.g.b.t.?Particularly to transgenders being that they regret the decisions made .Yes, it is wrong to insist that someone else be converted into what you want them to be with no regard for what they want themselves to be. Why are we even talking about this?Everyone makes decisions they later regret, that is not an excuse to advocate for taking that freedom away from others.
You're missing the point.
While people have the individual right to make piss poor decisions, they DO NOT have the right to force those decisions onto EVERYONE!!!!
And that is exactly what the left is doing through the force of politics, laws, and public leftist intolerant violent rhetoric, doxing and threats (and violent actions, too).
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@Mall
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret
regret of being born into what they feel is the wrong body or regret of transitioning later?
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@Mall
Until you can quote where I said I was upset like you say, you have committed a loaded question fallacy.
That's a good MAGA soldier, deny, deny, deny. With MAGA, dishonesty is the only policy.
De-conversion therapy is trying to fix the transgender regret.The ones that insist on de-conversion therapy are the ones that are helping those that are seeking the help for the therapy.
So you made it up. Please reference something outside of your head that relates to this de-conversion therapy you speak of. Is there a web site for someone that provides it, are there peer reviewed papers about it, white papers, studies, anything in the real world?
Now if you can answer the question, is it wrong for those that insist?Without the assumptions and political figures, go ahead and answer appropriately and directly as others have in this thread as well as other topics.
This cryptic and obtuse thing you do, it's supposed to be a clever way of being dishonest, right?
It's amazing to me what MAGA Morons think is clever.
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@RationalMadman
This applies to all people you change in ways you deem better that isn't how they naturally are. You have an assumption that no gays and lesbians etc want to be turned straight and also have an assumptions that all pedos and bestiality people do, this is my point.
I didn't imply any of that. The question in the OP was whether it was wrong to insist that gays/trans go through de-conversion therapy. The fact that she used the word insist already refutes that we're talking about anyone who wants to go through it.
Also, context matters. When we're talking about gays/ trans people we're talking about people making choices for themselves. The idea of someone engaging in a violation of others had nothing to do with the conversation, you injected that into it. So now your responding to my post attacking the idea you injected. It's not what I was saying.
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@RationalMadman
Pedos and animal fuckers.
Simply respond to primary drive the same as everyone else.
It's just that such methodology is currently not de rigueur.
Whereas chopping ones tackle of and calling oneself Tiffany is.
Though a tad drastic fashion statement.
It would perhaps be prudent to have it frozen just in case fashions re-convert.
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@Amber
While people have the individual right to make piss poor decisions, they DO NOT have the right to force those decisions onto EVERYONE!!!!
That's exactly why the question asked in your OP is wrong, as I just explained.
And that is exactly what the left is doing through the force of politics, laws, and public leftist intolerant violent rhetoric, doxing and threats (and violent actions, too).
This has nothing to do with our prior conversation. Would you care to share what you're talking about now?
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@Double_R
The fact that she used the word insist already refutes that we're talking about anyone who wants to go through it.
She (taking your word on gender) said 'insist' about LGBT. Not the therapy.
It goes without saying that therapy is consensual. It's a felony to abduct people (unless you're the FBI, then you can do whatever you want).
There were de-conversion programs for homosexuality and those were attacked to the point of extinction on the basis that it was medical malpractice. That is the only thing that could be reasonably interpreted as the "wrong" in this context <- note context being used correctly instead of a magic word which frees you of the need for substance.
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@zedvictor4
Moral subjectivism makes my stomach queasy.
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@Double_R
Well to leave it nice and simple, you support de-conversion for those that have suffered regret.
All that other stuff, perhaps another topic in and of itself.
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@RationalMadman
Neither. Regret of transition currently.