To be clear, I do believe in the Bible and believe in God, so my answers are not coming from a hatred of God, but rather a desire to seek him.
Wow! The dogma is strong with this one. Just to be clear. No twisting of doctrines. And no appeasing or appealing to the pagan masses. The Trinity is eternal. There is nothing quite like the One and the Many. It is a brilliant concept even as it reflects the only Perfect God.
Thousands of Gods? An immediate break from what the Trinity teaches. ONE GOD. Not a trinity of Gods. ONE GOD. The Vedic god system is nothing like the Trinity.
Oh Wow! A god that likes wine is what somehow like Jesus? You must be joking. Seriously. Jesus is not a god of wine. LOL @ even the comparison. Simply nuts. Yes, Jesus did have an earthly mother. But the Son of God, the second member of the Trinity HAD NO MOTHER. He is eternally begotten.
Yes, I've seen it. But the Holy Spirit is not a bird. And this is not the intention. The Holy Spirit is not a dove. He alights as a dove. Metaphor.
Anyone can make a correlation with anything. A correlation is simply an exercise that describes a mathematical formula painting a picture. We can actually posit a correlation between people who agree with you with people who don't agree with you. That is the magic of correlation. But what does it prove? It proves not much. Just that there is a relationship. And when it comes to Jesus, there will always be people who want to paint a relationship to someone like Jesus. He had a mother. he liked wine. he did miracles. He died. He rose again. And the same applies to the Trinity. It proves nothing. The fact is - the Trinity is both a simple concept and a complex one. the fact that most people can hardly grasp what the Trinity is - even in its simple form is telling. It's not just a copy from something else. To suggest it is - begs the question.
So to respond to all of this is simply that it is not a stretch to see that the Trinity could be a mish-mash of other religious doctrine, especially when the Trinitarian doctrine is not in the Bible. There are plenty of scriptures that are trying to be figured as such and some really good stretches on some specific words, but no God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, no three-in-one verse, nothing that states that Jesus Christ was eternal.
There is one God, like the Bible states, and there was a savior named Jesus who was the waited for Messiah (the Christ or anointed). The confusion comes from evil doctrines, made up to gain more church membership. God is a spirit. God is not flesh nor a man. Jesus was begotten. God made creation by himself, nobody was with him. After death is conquered, Jesus will hand all power back to the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity sprang in the minds of evil men and not of Godly men. Want to know who and what God is? Read the Bible, not various commentary of Catholic tainted people.
The church which counts. Yes, I have read the church fathers. And the question of the victor. Really. what a convenient excuse not to believe the truth? The Roman Catholic Church is not the only church. The Orthodox Church also agrees with it - and so does the Protestant church -which opposed the Catholic Church. I don't have to agree with the Roman Catholic Church to see that the Trinity is true. It's evident in the Scriptures.
All those churches "agree" with the Trinity, not because it is in the scriptures, but because they are the "daughters" of the Catholic church. They left the catholic church in one way or another but took with them the man made doctrine: The Trinity and Trinitarian Baptism.
Of course you do, what a surprise? But you miss the points of personality. how do you grieve a power? It's not possible.
I will look into your question, but in the meantime, you answer how the Holy Ghost is the Father and not "the Father".
don't forget that when Abraham was around - three so called angels appeared - looking like men. Each of them - took on the role of the LORD in their words and their attitude.
It's a simple picture but it actually provides an interesting picture. why were there three so called people looking like men? And how does it relate to TRINITY?
Ask any Jewish rabbi this same question, as they do not believe in a triune god either. They were specifically angels and not Gods. Abraham was talking to God and he turned away to entreat these men. The term LORD and lord have two different meanings here. The capital LORD is God, the lowercase lord is in reference to "master" as a lord of a land. You will see that Abraham was talking to God, the angels come up and eat and talk with Abraham, then when they leave, Abraham is still talking to God.
IF this was a reference of God showing himself as a man, then for sure there were two angels and one God, but I don't think it was God himself since no man can look a the face of God and live. It is more than likely the 3rd angel who didn't show up to Sodom was only sent to tell Abraham of his baby.
