Reasons I am not Christian

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I am not Christian because:

1. I dont want to kill gays.

2. I dont want to kill trans.

3. I dont want to praise a God who after creating people, tortures those people by burning them alive for all eternity.

4. I dont think its okay to rape women.

5. I dont think its okay to beat children.

6. I dont want to live a life thinking that I am a sinner just because I was born.
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Would you consider being holy?
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You don't want to have 5 kids with 3 different women like the Christian Trump?
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I am not Christian,

Because I wasn't programmed to be so.


So, some bloke in a stupid outfit splashed water on my head when I was two months old...So what.

God almighty!

Jesus fucki*g christ!

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6. I dont want to live a life thinking that I am a sinner just because I was born.  [of woman]


Indeed, BK.  I wrote on this thread of mine titled, Original Sin;

Stephen wrote:  If  every man "born of women" did "inherit sin" from  Eve "the mother of all living" then it came from only one place; god.

 To support my above claim one only has to read this verse:

1 Corinthians 11:12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.



To be "born of woman" was a derogatory slight, towards mankind. i.e an insult .
The book of Job confirms this. And Luke's Gospel has Jesus insulting John the Baptist using this  very term. As does Matthew. But what the pastors and the priests like to ignore (more likely hadn't realised) is the BIBLICAL  fact that Jesus himself was "born of woman".
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Everybody just about can throw the word "Christian" around but so many dare not identify as holiness and commit to it .
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Would you consider being holy?
What does it mean to be holy?

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I am not Christian because:

You are not a Christian - but not because of any of the following: 

1. I dont want to kill gays.
Christians don't want to kill gays.  Although the OT command in Israel to Israelites was that such persons broke the covenant and thereby deserved capital punishment, this doesn't apply to Christians in the New Covenant. In the New Covenant, homosexuality is still considered sinful, yet it is not an unforgivable sin. 


2. I dont want to kill trans.
Christians don't want to kill trans.   The Christian position is that there are only two genders, male and female. Nevertheless, sin has so distorted the human body, that now it is more common to see humans that are born with both sexes.  Christians don't want to kill such people. It is not inherently sinful to be transitioning. It might not be wise. But that is a matter for a doctor. It is entirely irrelevant for Christian thinking. 


3. I dont want to praise a God who after creating people, tortures those people by burning them alive for all eternity.
Christians praise God for being holy. And for being the creator.  Those are enough reasons to praise God. Not to mention the fact that he has redeemed millions of people.  Provides the sun and the rain and a million other things.  The fact that God also is the judge of people is part of who he is as God. And is His right. And so a punishment fitting is appropriate.   In any event, many people are Christians and don't believe in Hell or that God tortures people for eternity.  

4. I dont think its okay to rape women.
Christians don't think it is ok to rape women or anyone for that matter.  The Bible is clear about this - that rape is wrong and sinful.  It is an abomination and in the Old and the New covenant is one of the most severe crimes. 


5. I dont think it's okay to beat children.
Many Christians don't believe it is ok to beat children.  Many are strong advocates against corporal punishment on any level.  


6. I dont want to live a life thinking that I am a sinner just because I was born.
What I want to do is not necessarily what is the best thing to do.  I think it is better to know the truth rather than to deceive oneself just because I don't want to feel a particular way.   

Christians admit the truth about themselves, but they also trust in the Saviour who has redeemed them from their sins and helps them to stop sinning.  


As I said above, you are not a Christian, but it has nothing to do with believing or not believing any of these matters. 



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homosexuality is still considered sinful
Social condemnnation causes suicide, so its same as killing. New Testament condemns homosexuality.

Christians don't want to kill trans.
Yet they condemn them all the time, increasing suicide rates, therefore killing them.

The Bible is clear about this - that rape is wrong and sinful
You do realize that Bible Old Testament forces victim to marry her rapist? And Bible New Testament says that husband has a right to rape a woman because her body doesnt belong to her. I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about.

Many Christians don't believe it is ok to beat children.
So many Christians refuse to follow the Bible?

What I want to do is not necessarily what is the best thing to do.
Yeah, so you cant know if thinking that you are a sinner is the best thing you can do.
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I think that there are going to be a lot of Houthis that are going to be holely.
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Not to be a sinner, doing no thing wrong but right. 
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A lot of things are wrong according to the Bible.
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Who determines what is right or not?
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I know I said u should read from the nihilists, and I still think that. But it'd be more empowering for u to read from the existentialists. Both theist and non theist existentialists 
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So would you consider being of holiness or not?
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Apparently whoever that is. That's why people argue that right and wrong are subjective depending on what is meant by right and wrong.
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So would you consider being of holiness or not?
Well, no, not according to the holiness of the Bible.
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I can read summary and quotes. AI chat can sum up things which I am really interested in.

I dont read books anymore, other than fun books like Harry Potter.
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JESUS H. CHRIST GOD ALMIGHTY, "MISS TRADESECRET" DID IT AGAIN IN CONTRADICTING JESUS’ TRUE WORDS WITHIN THE SCRIPTURES, WHEN IS ENOUGH, ENOUGH?!

MISS TRADESECRET’S QUOTE WHERE SHE CONTRADICTS JESUS' TRUE WORDS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS:  “Christians don't want to kill gays.  Although the OT command in Israel to Israelites was that such persons broke the covenant and thereby deserved capital punishment, this doesn't apply to Christians in the New Covenant. In the New Covenant, homosexuality is still considered sinful, yet it is not an unforgivable sin." 

Miss Tradesecret's Devil Speak in her quote above where Christians don't want to kill gays because that judgement was in the Old Testament is WRONG as the following passages so states: "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18).   

HAS HEAVEN AND EARTH EVER PASSED AWAY YET, NO!

The “fulfilled” part of Matthew 5:18 and the permanence of heaven and earth passing away so as NOT to follow the Old Testament 613 laws anymore is described in this passage: “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10)  

HAS RECORED HISTORY SHOWN THAT THE PASSAGE ABOVE WAS ACCOMPLISHED WHERE THE EARTH PASSED AWAY AS SHOWN? NO!


Therefore, when Jesus as God said that NOT one jot or tittle will pass from the 613 Old Testament Laws till heaven and earth do pass away as described in Matthew 5:18, and 2 Peter 3:10 where the future example of the heavens and earth do pass away, then Christians are to directly follow the 613 Mosaic laws of the Old Testament until Jesus’ Second Coming which has not happened yet!  DUH!

Therefore to the chagrin and total embarrassment AGAIN of Miss Tradesecret in front of the membership, Christians are to follow this Old Testament passage herewith: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13) 


AGAIN, THIS NOTABLE RELIGION FORUM WILL "NEVER GROW" UNTIL THE TROLL MISS TRADESECRET LEAVES THIS FORUM WITH HER BIBLE STUPIDITY WITH HER!

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Civilized minimally-intelligent people should be capable of determining what is right or wrong.

From what I can make out, people agree that if you follow the golden rule you will end up doing the right thing anyway. See? We shouldn't rely on what a bunch of dogmatic people think we must do. Everyone should be able to determine the right thing to do.
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MISS TRADESECRET STILL HAS FOOT TO MOUTH DISEASE AGAIN AS SHOWN IN HER QUOTE HEREWITH:  "In any event, many people are Christians and don't believe in Hell or that God tortures people for eternity."

HUH?!  None other than Jesus the Christ as GOD says that Hell exists and His creation will be tortured in the following passage:  JESUS AS GOD SAID: “My friends, don’t be afraid of people. They can kill you, but after that, there is nothing else they can do. God is the one you must fear. Not only can he take your life, but he can throw you into hell. God is certainly the one you should fear!” (Luke 12:4-5)


MISS TRADESECRET REMOVES ONE FOOT TO INSERT THE OTHER AGAIN QUOTE:  "Many Christians don't believe it is ok to beat children.  Many are strong advocates against corporal punishment on any level."  

WTF?!  Jesus H. Christ, where does Miss Tradesecret get the authority to usurp Jesus' inspired words where he says that parents are to BEAT THEIR CHILDREN: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou BEATEST him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt BEAT HIM with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs.23:13-14)


Stephen and Best.Korea, isn't it time for Miss Tradesecret to take one of her LONG BREAKS from this Religion Forum like she has done many times after easily being made the Bible Stupid Fool AGAIN in front of the membership?  


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT COULD TAKE "MISS TRADESECRET'S" PLACE WHILE SHE HIDES FOR A WHILE FROM HER BIBLE STUPIDITY TO TRY AND REGROUP, WILL BE ...?

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homosexuality is still considered sinful
Social condemnnation causes suicide, so its same as killing. New Testament condemns homosexuality.
Stupid argument.  Social condemnation DOES NOT cause suicide.  The studies simply do not stand up.  People not liking themselves for all sorts of reasons is a problem.  But telling them the truth isn't a reason to kill themselves.  Just think of the social condemnation of NAZIs all over the world. How many go and kill themselves? Think of the social condemnation by many people against Pedophiles. Do they all go out and kill themselves?  If people who are gay are told that such a lifestyle is sinful, why should they care so much that they want to kill themselves? You have believed the lie and myth of the lefty elites. Not one that is proved in real life. Of course, the NT condemns homosexuality and adultery. And wanking.  And looking at pornography. And rejecting Jesus.  Yet it is only the last one that is unforgivable in eternity. 

Christians don't want to kill trans.
Yet they condemn them all the time, increasing suicide rates, therefore killing them.
I don't think this is mutually exclusive only to Christians. Every part of society and religion has people who condemn trans.   There is no CHRISTIAN doctrine which condemns it. 


The Bible is clear about this - that rape is wrong and sinful
You do realize that Bible Old Testament forces victim to marry her rapist? And Bible New Testament says that husband has a right to rape a woman because her body doesnt belong to her. I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about.
Nope. You are incorrect.  No rape victim is ever forced to marry her rapist.  She was given a choice to marry or to have her father kill the rapist.  She was also permitted to receive a payment of compensation for the rest of her life. Remember in ancient Israel, there was no welfare system. Raped women were considered burdens on society. No other culture was mature enough to recognise the burden so Israel was miles ahead of everyone else in looking after the victim. In the NT the husband never had a right to rape his wife.  He was to treat his wife as Christ loved the church and died for her. Yes, the wife's body belong to the husband but in the same passage, the husband's body belongs to the wife. Taking one half of the context might be part of your playbook - but it's still a lie when it intentionally leaves out the balancing components.  And yes, that's something you know what you are talking about. 


Many Christians don't believe it is ok to beat children.
So many Christians refuse to follow the Bible?
I think most Christians attempt to follow the Bible as they understand it.  They don't necessarily follow it the way you read it.  They take the view that God is good. You don't.  You distort it to try and find contradictions and evil intent. Christians don't start there. They start with the idea that God is good. And holy. And then they attempt to follow it as they understand it. Most Christians also take the view that laws to the Israelites had a context that brought people to Christ. When Christ came, the context of one nation became multi-national.  Yet each nation remained a distinct nation. Even as the church became a new people. The OT laws did not become binding on all Christians in their ancient Israelite context.  The substance or the spirit of the law continued but was reflected or applied in a much broader context. Hence, in the Old, it was forbidden to eat unclean animals. Yet Christ's coming, removed the impediment or the issue causing animals to be unclean for Christians. So for Christians, all animals became clean.  This is part of the reason why Gentiles could enter the holiest of holies now. What was unclean had been cleaned. 


What I want to do is not necessarily what is the best thing to do.
Yeah, so you cant know if thinking that you are a sinner is the best thing you can do.
I don't think - thinking I am a sinner is best. I said understanding my spiritual condition before God is important to understanding how it is resolved. If we get the diagnosis wrong, then the treatment will be wrong.  Understanding we are sinners before God is important to understand why there is a divide between us and God. Otherwise, we will be like every other religion who thinks that all we have to do is try and please God.  Understanding who we are IS important to know what is to be done. You can think otherwise if you like, but as someone who has been redeemed by Christ, the difference is profound. 

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I am surprised that Tradesecret claimed:

many people are Christians and don't believe in Hell or that God tortures people for eternity.

I mean, Hell is mentioned in the Bible, so to claim that Bible doesnt say what it obviously says... 

Might as well just make the new Bible, just this time take out all the parts which dont suit this century.

So maybe just keep nice parts of the Gospels and a bit of Acts, and some peaceful parts of the Old Testament. Thats the only way Bible fits modern times.
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Social condemnation DOES NOT cause suicide.  The studies simply do not stand up.
Every Christian rejects science.

You know when you teach your kids that being gay is abomination? That being trans is abomination?

What happens next is that your kids then go and bully trans kids because you brainwashed them to do so.

Of course, you cant understand this and you cant understand how condemnation causes suicides.

Honestly, your comment is filled with too much stupidity, so I dont see a point wasting my time trying to correct your every error. You will just come back again in a few weeks saying same nonsense. Its not worth the effort on my side, so I picked your dumbest point and lets see where that takes us.

"The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons."


"“While [ages 15-17] can be an exciting time, it is also very stressful, as adolescents experience a lot of peer pressure and can feel very isolated. This is especially true for those who express gender and sexuality in a nonconforming way.”"

"“[W]hile bullying and cyberbullying is an important factor, it is not the only factor. Other factors related to feeling supported at home, at school, and in their communities are likely also very important.”"

"Overall, Dr. Colman said his team’s findings clearly show that gender and sexual minority youth need better support.
“They need safe places where they can explore and express their true selves,” he explained. “Furthermore, they need to be consulted and included when suicide prevention programs are designed. They know better than we do as to what will serve them best.”"

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And here is some more science related to Christianity:

"LGBTQ youth who report not hearing their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ were at significantly reduced risk for attempting suicide in the past year, regardless of whether religion was important to them. Overall, half (51%) of youth reported not hearing their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ, with lower rates among youth who said religion was important to them (44%). When adjusting for other related factors, LGBTQ youth who had not heard their parents use religion to say negative things about being LGBTQ were at half the risk for attempting suicide in the past year compared to those who had."


Some Christians have blamed the leftists because their trans kids committed suicide, but we can see who is really at fault.
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I am surprised that Tradesecret claimed:

many people are Christians and don't believe in Hell or that God tortures people for eternity.

I mean, Hell is mentioned in the Bible, so to claim that Bible doesnt say what it obviously says... 

Might as well just make the new Bible, just this time take out all the parts which dont suit this century.

So maybe just keep nice parts of the Gospels and a bit of Acts, and some peaceful parts of the Old Testament. Thats the only way Bible fits modern times.
You are the one explaining why you are not a Christian. I agreed with you that you are not a Christian. I just think your reasoning was wrong. And your arguments shallow.  

Where in the Bible does it say you have to believe everything in the Bible to be true to be a Christian? Where does it say you can't choose the things you agree with? 

Your argument is weak and shallow.  This is consistent with your character. 
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Every Christian rejects science.

You know when you teach your kids that being gay is abomination? That being trans is abomination?

What happens next is that your kids then go and bully trans kids because you brainwashed them to do so.

Of course, you cant understand this and you cant understand how condemnation causes suicides.

Honestly, your comment is filled with too much stupidity, so I dont see a point wasting my time trying to correct your every error. You will just come back again in a few weeks saying same nonsense. Its not worth the effort on my side, so I picked your dumbest point and lets see where that takes us.

"The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons."


"“While [ages 15-17] can be an exciting time, it is also very stressful, as adolescents experience a lot of peer pressure and can feel very isolated. This is especially true for those who express gender and sexuality in a nonconforming way.”"

"“[W]hile bullying and cyberbullying is an important factor, it is not the only factor. Other factors related to feeling supported at home, at school, and in their communities are likely also very important.”"

"Overall, Dr. Colman said his team’s findings clearly show that gender and sexual minority youth need better support.
“They need safe places where they can explore and express their true selves,” he explained. “Furthermore, they need to be consulted and included when suicide prevention programs are designed. They know better than we do as to what will serve them best.”"


Wrong. Not every Christian rejects science. I have never met a Christian who rejects Science. Science is not infallible and by its very nature, it changes.  I said the studies don't stand up.  I provided two examples. I noticed you avoided them like the plague since they proved you totally  wrong. 

Besides I don't teach my children that homosexuality is an abomination - nor do I teach that being trans is an abomination.  I explained that - you intentionally refuse to accept what I tell you.  People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons - and they have since day dot.  My kids don't bully people. Yours might. That is your problem, not mine. 

Condemnation DOESN'T cause suicide.  Rejection may play a part. But it is not the only cause. And not necessarily the primary one. In fact, if you ACTUALLY believed that to be true - you would stop with your stupid comments on this site - or at least attempt to prevent Brother or Stephen from their attacking and criticism and condemnation. But you don't believe it - which is why you continue to do it. Stop lying to yourself.  Your actions speak much louder than your words. 

You are such a hypocrite. There are many studies that refute your so called studies. Why do you reject that science? Or does it simply not enter your brain at how stupid your comments are?  Again - not a valid reason to reject Christ. 

The fact is - you couldn't become a Christian by yourself EVEN if you wanted to.  Neither could I or anyone else.  

You reject the God of the Bible because he reveals your true self as a sinner. He reveals that only Jesus is truly righteous and that we need to trust him. And He reveals that judgment day is coming for everyone.  I understand why you reject the truth and hold it down.  But that is an entirely different matter that you can't even begin to contemplate since your opinion was not about why you rejected Christ. But rather an attempt to justify to yourself as to why.  The two are completely different questions -and you failed on your account. 

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In my opinion. 

The Christian hypothesis is consistently weak and shallow.

Such is my character.



In my opinion

Your character feels the necessity to consistently promote the weak and shallow Christian hypothesis.



Such is the inconsistency of formative and ongoing data transfer.
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Condemnation DOESN'T cause suicide.  
I have already provided you studies which show that condemning trans increases their suicide rate. I know that you reject science. Its obvious.

I provided two examples.
So you dont even understand how statistics work?
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at least attempt to prevent Brother or Stephen from their attacking and criticism and condemnation
No, I think they are beneficial to the site, since they mostly debate Christians and muslims. You do understand how Lex talionis works? Your God used it in the Bible, so the idea of you pretending to be some innocent victim while being the first to attack is absurd, but Christianity itself is absurd ideology.