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@aql_reason
How does it not make sense. What's the argument?
If sin feels good.
And heaven (logically) is a place for pleasure.
Then doing sinful things in heaven is permissible?
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@YouFound_Lxam
You are not understanding.If Jesus is God in the flesh, and no one can create God, then that means that God sent himself into a physical body and was not created.This is why the Bible, and the Quran, explicitly states that Jesus was born of a Virgin.
No you are not understanding the argument. God created Jesus, yes? Ok. How can God who is by definition creator be also created ("in the flesh"), at the same time? Yes Jesus was born of virgin but that has nothing to with argument.
Find, a violent undertone, and I can guarantee you either the book condemns it, or the Bible represents the person who committed the act as justified.The Quran doesn't give a justification for child intercourse and marriage.It does for the rest, but its only:
Yet Christians of the past did follow it. And that was the the point I was making. Yes, I'm currently discussing the child marriage part in a current debate.
Try criticizing Islam in an Islamic country. See what happens.
I did. And I came back fine. Criticisms def:
1. the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes.
Blasphemy is not criticism. And it is punishable in a country with Sharia.
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@YouFound_Lxam
If sin feels good.And heaven (logically) is a place for pleasure.Then doing sinful things in heaven is permissible?
Yes you can do anything in heaven. Eat pork even. Sins don't exist in heaven. It's a sinless place by definition.
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@aql_reason
No you are not understanding the argument. God created Jesus, yes?
No. Jesus is God.
Yes, I'm currently discussing the child marriage part in a current debate.
I would be happy to also debate you on that subject as well. Of course, only if you were to accept.
If I go to an Islamic country, and say:
I disagree with Islam, because it is violent in nature, according to the Quran.
And I blasted it on loudspeakers.
I would be killed.
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@aql_reason
Yes you can do anything in heaven. Eat pork even. Sins don't exist in heaven. It's a sinless place by definition.
So, you can murder in heaven? Or have sexual relations with children in heaven?
Heaven is just a free for all?
If heaven is a free for all, with actions and no consequences, that doesn't sound like heaven. Sounds like hell.
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@YouFound_Lxam
No. Jesus is God.
And God is the creator. So Jesus the creator created himself.
I would be happy to also debate you on that subject as well. Of course, only if you were to accept.
Lets wait till the other debate finishes.
If I go to an Islamic country, and say:I disagree with Islam, because it is violent in nature, according to the Quran.And I blasted it on loudspeakers.I would be killed.
People, Muslims and non-Muslims have been critiquing Islam for centuries. Critique is allowed in Islam. Also saying Islam is violent in nature is a critique but also not the best. It doesn't have a lot of violent verses (so not in nature). And also violence is not necessarily bad. Otherwise we wouldn't have police.
So, you can murder in heaven? Or have sexual relations with children in heaven?Heaven is just a free for all?
Good people end up in heaven. And good people do good things. So why would they do such things in heaven? They can do anything that's not illogical. Like they can't wish for God do kill himself.
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@aql_reason
And God is the creator. So Jesus the creator created himself.
Jesus is God. Therefore, he brought himself into the world in the form of a human.
Lets wait till the other debate finishes.
For sure.
People, Muslims and non-Muslims have been critiquing Islam for centuries. Critique is allowed in Islam. Also saying Islam is violent in nature is a critique but also not the best. It doesn't have a lot of violent verses (so not in nature). And also violence is not necessarily bad. Otherwise we wouldn't have police.
1. Criticisms haven't been made in the middle of and Islamic country out in the open. There is actually recorded murders of people who have critiqued the Quran.
2. I would say that child marriages, and murder based on religion is not the same as police brutality.
Good people end up in heaven. And good people do good things. So why would they do such things in heaven? They can do anything that's not illogical. Like they can't wish for God do kill himself.
So good people can't do bad things? Thats not true.
So muslims support child marriage and kill gays,
While christians tolerate gays but kill those who engage in child marriage.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Jesus is God. Therefore, he brought himself into the world in the form of a human.
Yes. You aren't giving arguments. Just assertions. You never explained how it possible for a creator to be created at the same time. By definition, the creator can't be both.
1. Criticisms haven't been made in the middle of and Islamic country out in the open. There is actually recorded murders of people who have critiqued the Quran.2. I would say that child marriages, and murder based on religion is not the same as police brutality.
1. Yes they have, there were long debates within and out of Islam. During the time of the Islamic golden age. For example, the mutazilites vs. the asharites debate.
2. Again, I am not the discussing child marriage on this forum. My views are open on the debate section. I was talking about violence and the justification for it. You said Islam is bad because it allows violence. And I replied violence is not necessarily bad. Islam is not a pacifist religion. It's a moderate religion that believes there are tiems when violence is justified.
You don't get murder based on religion. Christians and Jews are not disbelievers but people of the book. You are just not aware of the definition of Kafir. There is no compulsion [in choosing] religion, according to Quran.
So good people can't do bad things? Thats not true.
If they end up in heaven, why would they ask for bad things? Remember its God who put them there and knows what they end up doing.
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@aql_reason
Yes. You aren't giving arguments. Just assertions. You never explained how it possible for a creator to be created at the same time. By definition, the creator can't be both.
The creator wasn't created. He brought himself down to earth, in the form of a man, named Jesus. He did not create himself.
1. Yes they have, there were long debates within and out of Islam. During the time of the Islamic golden age. For example, the mutazilites vs. the asharites debate.2. Again, I am not the discussing child marriage on this forum. My views are open on the debate section. I was talking about violence and the justification for it. You said Islam is bad because it allows violence. And I replied violence is not necessarily bad. Islam is not a pacifist religion. It's a moderate religion that believes there are tiems when violence is justified.
I agree violence is not bad if it is justified as well. But justified violence based on religious beliefs is not justified.
Even in Christianity, Jesus taught not to be violent to defend our faith. We can be violent to protect ourselves, however.
You don't get murder based on religion. Christians and Jews are not disbelievers but people of the book. You are just not aware of the definition of Kafir. There is no compulsion [in choosing] religion, according to Quran.
You do though. In the Quran it says that murder based on religion is justified.
If they end up in heaven, why would they ask for bad things?
Are they able to ask for bad things? Do they have a free will in heaven?
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@YouFound_Lxam
The creator wasn't created. He brought himself down to earth, in the form of a man, named Jesus. He did not create himself.
The creator was not created for some time, yes. But when it was time for Mary to have Jesus. The creator, i.e God father, created a man, Jesus. Christians belive this man is God. Who is defined as the creator of the everything. So how can the creator be creator and created? How can God be man and creator at the same time? You are just running in circles and not answering the question.
I agree violence is not bad if it is justified as well. But justified violence based on religious beliefs is not justified.Even in Christianity, Jesus taught not to be violent to defend our faith. We can be violent to protect ourselves, however.
Violence does not necessarily have to be in self-defense either. But it is better if you are not seen as the agressor or the one to take offense first. If your neighboring country is plotting against you, you attack them first. It's not self-defence but its smart. And justified.
You do though. In the Quran it says that murder based on religion is justified.
Oh really? What verse. Lets see....
Are they able to ask for bad things? Do they have a free will in heaven?
They can ask for anything that's not illogical.
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@aql_reason
The creator was not created for some time, yes. But when it was time for Mary to have Jesus. The creator, i.e God father, created a man, Jesus.
No 😂.
That man named Jesus, was the Creator.
So how can the creator be creator and created?
You are thinking like this:
The Father created The Son, on earth.
This is not true. The Son has always existed. The Son, came down to earth, HIMSELF.
How can God be man and creator at the same time?
Because he's God?? He can do anything.
Violence does not necessarily have to be in self-defense either. But it is better if you are not seen as the agressor or the one to take offense first. If your neighboring country is plotting against you, you attack them first. It's not self-defence but its smart. And justified.
Debatable, but religious justification is never right.
Oh really? What verse. Lets see....
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلاَمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِندَ اللّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَلِكَ كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
94. "O you who have Faith! When you go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, make investigation, and do not say to the one who offers you peace: 'You are not a believer,' seeking the goods of this world's life! But, with Allah are abundant spoils. You, too, were such before, then Allah conferred (His) grace on you; therefore make investigation. Verily Allah is aware of what you do.!
They can ask for anything that's not illogical.
Yeah. So they can ask for sinful desires?
I support gay rights. So I cannot be a complete muslim. Complete muslim must judge gays.
I cannot even be a complete christian, since they too are commanded to judge gays. They just do it a little less violently.
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@YouFound_Lxam
That man named Jesus, was the Creator.
Ok lets roll with this Jesus is the creator of everything so he is God. Yes?
This is not true. The Son has always existed. The Son, came down to earth, HIMSELF.
Yes but the issue is how does the Son, the creator, come to earth and create himself "in the flesh", while also being the creator?
Because he's God?? He can do anything.
If God can do everything, can he do illogical things?
Debatable, but religious justification is never right.
It is always right. What makes you think your views are right over mine? Because of your religious justification (Christianity being right over Islam).
Justification (def): the action of showing something to be right or reasonable. If we assume that God exists, and ones religion is correct. Then everything is justified under religious justification. So it is definitely reasonable to have such beliefs.
94. "O you who have Faith! When you go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, make investigation, and do not say to the one who offers you peace: 'You are not a believer,' seeking the goods of this world's life! But, with Allah are abundant spoils. You, too, were such before, then Allah conferred (His) grace on you; therefore make investigation. Verily Allah is aware of what you do.!
The same link you used to point this verse has the interpretation. Of course, you skipped that. Because you are biased. Read the interpretation and let me know what you disagree with on that same link.
Yeah. So they can ask for sinful desires?
Like I said, sin does not exist in heaven. Which is why Muslims believe Adam never sinned because he was in heaven. There is no concept of original sin in Islam.
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@aql_reason
Clearly you are biased against Islam.
Yep. .... and its teachings.
I am also "biased" against the Old Testamant simply because its barbarity is identical to the Quran.
I believe Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam.
As I believe Christians have been fools/fooled for the last 2000 years because they, in their extremely poor wisdom, have adopted a god from an ancient time they didn't understand, an ancient culture they didn't understand and an ancient society they didn't understand. It other words, Christians have been duped and are still being duped. But to be honest, all that looks likes it about to change. They - the Christian Church, appears to be throwing in the towel all over Europe. Or hadn't you noticed? Notice, I am not saying all over the world.
Christians are not at all honest or truthful concerning the mission of the person Christians believe was "the Christ" and "Messiah". Yet the facts are all there in the New Testamant that prove what they are STILL teaching about the one they call Jesus is simply wrong. They were duped by the early Church (understandable for that time) but they have continued the lie.
In my opinion, Muslims have been patient and have played the long game extremely well, no pun intended. Over the last 40 years to my knowledge, Muslims have infiltrated and embedded themselves in many high offices of Western institutions - Government, Local Government, Education, Police force, Army, Navy Air Force. Medical Profession, Entertainment, Sport , you name it. And helped and assisted all by our own self serving Governments trying to convince us with the usual patronising bullshite "Islam is a religion of peace" and "only a tiny few".
Well I wasn't convinced 40 years ago and many indigenous Westerners are waking up to the fact that they have also been duped.
If Islam to you is just ISIS interpretation of Islam then sure that's the idea.
Is the Isis terror organisation made up of Muslims?
If the idea of Islam was to kill disbelievers, they would have been dead a long time ago when Muslims were at their peak.
Nope. The rampage of Islam was finally stopped in Europe when Polish king—King Jan (John) Sobieski finally halted the invading butchers of Islam at the Battle of Vienna against the Ottoman MUSLIM Empire in 1683. Didn't the Muslim Turks have FIVE of the largest Empires the world has ever known? I wonder how they managed that? Did they just wonder into most of Europe without a sword being draw and simply invited in with out an exchange of words?
I have already said multiple times on this site that Muslims are the worst victims of Islam.
MSM don't seem to want to report on the conflicts around the world where Muslims are butchering their Muslim "brother & sisters" by the MILLIONS or Christians by the MILLIONS. Why do you believe they are so reluctant to do so?
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@aql_reason
Ok lets roll with this Jesus is the creator of everything so he is God. Yes?
Yes.
If you are confused........again, this is how the Trinity works:
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are 1 being.
Jesus represents God the Son.
The Triune God has existed for eternity, meaning God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit, have never been created, and always have been.
So, no one created Jesus. Again, this is prominent in the fact that both the Bible, and the Qur'an states he was born of a virgin pointing out the fact that he was not created.
So yes, Jesus is God.
Yes but the issue is how does the Son, the creator, come to earth and create himself "in the flesh", while also being the creator?
If you already exist, why would you need to create yourself, and again, he was born of a virgin.
If God can do everything, can he do illogical things?
God created logical rules for the Universe, because he created the Universe. He is not bound to those rules.
However, he represents those rules to us, in his word, so that we can use his rules to understand him more.
It is always right.
Sorry, I meant to say, violence by using religious justification is never right.
What makes you think your views are right over mine?
Because the God of the Bible is substantially greater in moral justice, than the God of the Qur'an is.
Because I would rather listen to the eyewitnesses of Jesus to learn about who Jesus was, rather than one of a man who lived 500 years after him.
Because the historical evidence is that Jesus lived, died, and rose from the dead, and I would rather listen to a man's teachings, and what he claimed, if that man literally rose from the dead.
Because of your religious justification (Christianity being right over Islam).Justification (def): the action of showing something to be right or reasonable. If we assume that God exists, and ones religion is correct. Then everything is justified under religious justification. So it is definitely reasonable to have such beliefs.
Again:
Sorry, I meant to say, violence by using religious justification is never right.
The same link you used to point this verse has the interpretation. Of course, you skipped that. Because you are biased. Read the interpretation and let me know what you disagree with on that same link.
Wait. So, I'm supposed to base my reasoning off of what someone else says about the Qur'an, or what the Quran says?
Like I said, sin does not exist in heaven. Which is why Muslims believe Adam never sinned because he was in heaven. There is no concept of original sin in Islam.
Ok fair point.
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@YouFound_Lxam
aql_reason wrote:<How can God be man and creator at the same time?YouFound_Lxam wrote: Because he's God?? He can do anything.#72
Don't make me laugh.🤣
If the bible is to be believed:
God couldn't control his own creations.
God cannot die.
God cannot sin.
And god had to call out to Adam and Eve because he didn't know where they were and couldn't find them. Genesis 3:9
God can make mistakes and kept repeating his own mistakes.
God regretted his mistakes and decisions so cannot un-regret his mistakes and decisions.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Because the God of the Bible is substantially greater in moral justice, than the God of the Qur'an is.
Actually, both Jesus and Allah are Gods of disproportional revenge.
Justice implies eye for eye, not "you burn alive eternally because you didnt believe in me".
The word justice has nothing to do with either of your Gods's morality.
Your Gods are draconians.
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@Best.Korea
I support gay rights
What are "gay rights"?
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@Stephen
What are "gay rights"?
Gay marriage, and not being punished for consensual gayness.
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@Best.Korea
Actually, both Jesus and Allah are Gods of disproportional revenge.Justice implies eye for eye, not "you burn alive eternally because you didnt believe in me".The word justice has nothing to do with either of your Gods's morality.Your Gods are draconians.
See but (respectfully) this is showing ignorance of Christian belief.
Hell is separation from God. It is not a place God created. It is simply separation from all that is good (God).
No where in the Bible does it say God created Hell or cast any humans into Hell.
God created us originally for relationship with him. God gave us free will (the tree of knowledge of good and evil) and God gave us a perfect world to live in.
When Adam and Eve sinned, that was a sign to God that despite the gift of life, free will, and everlasting life, God gave to them, they wanted to do things their own way and disobey God.
God respected this decision and our free will and separated man from God. What else is separation from God? Hell.
So, God does not send us to Hell, we send ourselves to Hell. We are all on the path to Hell, because we are all sinners.
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@Best.Korea
What are "gay rights"?Gay marriage, and not being punished for consensual gayness.
But they have these rights here in the West. So I can never understand why people are still banging on about these rights. Unless one is arguing the point with the Islamic religion. With that said, I am against trying to force Western opinions/laws and values onto an Islamic country where there are strict rules against what the Christian god calls and "abomination". Do you see the axiom there, BK?
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@Stephen
As I believe Christians have been fools/fooled for the last 2000 years because they, in their extremely poor wisdom, have adopted a god from an ancient time they didn't understand, an ancient culture they didn't understand and an ancient society they didn't understand.
No Christians are not fools and they have not been fooled. Most of famous scholars, scientists, philosophers were Christian and defended Christian beliefs (i.e Descartes, Thomas Equinas, etc.). They do have an understanding of God. God being the creator, the all good, the all powerful. These are all based on valid beliefs. Obviosuly to an atheist all religion is nonsense because you don't agree with the first assumption: Gods existence.
In my opinion, Muslims have been patient and have played the long game extremely well, no pun intended. Over the last 40 years to my knowledge, Muslims have infiltrated and embedded themselves in many high offices of Western institutions - Government, Local Government, Education, Police force, Army, Navy Air Force. Medical Profession, Entertainment, Sport , you name it. And helped and assisted all by our own self serving Governments trying to convince us with the usual patronising bullshite "Islam is a religion of peace" and "only a tiny few".
One can say that about any group: infiltrating, etc. No anyone that tells you Islam is a religion of peace is lying. There are violent aspects of Islam, it is not a pacifist religion. Violence is not necessarily bad.
Is the Isis terror organisation made up of Muslims?
Yes they are by definition. But they are known as takfiris an offshoot of Wahabbism. If you are aware of its history, their school and scholars were never accepted by the majority of Muslims. Ibn Taymiyya, their main scholar, was arrested more than 10 times for such beliefs by the caliph of the time.
ope. The rampage of Islam was finally stopped in Europe when Polish king—King Jan (John) Sobieski finally halted the invading butchers of Islam at the Battle of Vienna against the Ottoman MUSLIM Empire in 1683. Didn't the Muslim Turks have FIVE of the largest Empires the world has ever known? I wonder how they managed that? Did they just wonder into most of Europe without a sword being draw and simply invited in with out an exchange of words?
Yes. But what I am saying is if Muslims believed that they had to kill Christians and Jews. Nothing could stop them from doing that to their neighbors. NO such things is accepted by respected Muslim scholars of today or before.
MSM don't seem to want to report on the conflicts around the world where Muslims are butchering their Muslim "brother & sisters" by the MILLIONS or Christians by the MILLIONS. Why do you believe they are so reluctant to do so?
They do. You are just not aware of it. They do report it. ISIS has killed a lot of Shia Muslims, Yazidis and Christians. But on the grand scale of things there are more terrorists by Islam today. However, for the most part in history casualties and terrorists were mainly Christians (Nazis, Stalin, etc.). Does that mean Christiatniy is a violent religion. No. People are normal. They are drawn towards extremes when they receive funding by governments.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Hell is separation from God. It is not a place God created.
Even if we accept this assumption as correct, it is God who controls who goes to Hell. It is God who decides who gets punished with Hell.
God, being all powerful, could have easily created place for sinners that gives proportional punishments. That would be justice.
But God choosing to have people in Hell eternally is a disproportional punishment in great majority of cases.
It is God who causes people to go to hell, irrelevant if by creating Hell or just putting people in Hell.
So, God does not send us to Hell, we send ourselves to Hell.
This is an incorrect assumption, as it was already explained that God decides who goes to Hell. Therefore, it is God who sends people to Hell.
But even if your assumption was correct, it would still make your God unjust, as he, by denying non-believers of suitable place, condemns them to be punished disproportionally.
Remember that he created non-believers, so when they go to hell, it is a consequence of God's action, not the lack of God's action. So God does send people to hell.
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@Stephen
But they have these rights here in the West.
If West followed the Bible, they wouldnt have them. Thats why I cannot be a follower of the Bible.
So I can never understand why people are still banging on about these rights.
Well, there are many places in the world where those rights are denied. Plus, LGBT children often get bullied.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Yes.If you are confused........again, this is how the Trinity works:God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are 1 being.Jesus represents God the Son.The Triune God has existed for eternity, meaning God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit, have never been created, and always have been.So, no one created Jesus. Again, this is prominent in the fact that both the Bible, and the Qur'an states he was born of a virgin pointing out the fact that he was not created.So yes, Jesus is God.
What is the definition of God. The creator of everything yes? Ok. How can the entity who creates everything (creation) also be creation? This is the point of contradiction.
If you already exist, why would you need to create yourself, and again, he was born of a virgin.
Also, being born of a virgin does mean you are created. Who created Jesus? Christians would say Jesus. So God created himself? The creator created the creator?
Sorry, I meant to say, violence by using religious justification is never right.
Why? If I believe my religion is right then violence is justified. If my religion says that I should protect my country from agressors, why can't I. Because you don't agree with my justification. Well I don't agree with yours :)
Because the God of the Bible is substantially greater in moral justice, than the God of the Qur'an is.
This topic has a lot of intricacies. But I would disagree, of course. O
Because I would rather listen to the eyewitnesses of Jesus to learn about who Jesus was, rather than one of a man who lived 500 years after him.
Eyewitness or testimonies are not the most reliable piece of information. And not used in formal logic. Because our senses can deceive us.
Because the historical evidence is that Jesus lived, died, and rose from the dead, and I would rather listen to a man's teachings, and what he claimed, if that man literally rose from the dead.
Yes, all prophets performed miracles. That doesn't indicate anything about that person being superior. It only indicates that God can give powers to people.
Wait. So, I'm supposed to base my reasoning off of what someone else says about the Qur'an, or what the Quran says?
How do you interpret the verse? If it's a reasonable interpretation then its valid.
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@YouFound_Lxam
See but (respectfully) this is showing ignorance of Christian belief.
Indeed. A belief. No proof.
Hell is separation from God. It is not a place God created.
You really don't know your bible do you? God created hell for the "Devil" and his angels and anyone that followed their examples to suffer and burn- if the BIBLE is to be believed.
No where in the Bible does it say God created Hell or cast any humans into Hell.
So then who was it that "prepared" the place for the "Devil" and his angles?
God created us originally for relationship with him.
You can't show me where God in the bible says that. In fact god makes it pretty clear why he created man and it was for no other reason than to do his bidding..... and digging.
God gave us free will (the tree of knowledge of good and evil) and God gave us a perfect world to live in.
Its not "free will" if it comes with the threat of death , you clown. And the world is not created perfect. We still have devastating volcanoes, earthquakes, tidal waves and floods.
When Adam and Eve sinned, that was a sign to God that despite the gift of life, free will, and everlasting life, God gave to them, they wanted to do things their own way and disobey God.
FFS! stop it!. Eve was duped by one of his own creations, you idiot. How would she know the difference .
God respected this decision and our free will and separated man from God. What else is separation from God? Hell.
FF SAKE! God in no way " respected "anything in the whole story. In fact, God was so pissed off at the whole affair that he sentenced all of mankind to death because one of his OWN SON'S deceived Eve.
So, God does not send us to Hell, we send ourselves to Hell. We are all on the path to Hell, because we are all sinners.
Have you been taking religious instruction from that bible dunce the Reverend Traedesecret?
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@aql_reason
"Yes and the modern world blows up peoples heads with bombs and drones. Same stuff, diffrent times. "Teaches about virgins" - You can get whatever you want in heaven (logically). So why is asking for virgins a bad thing? What is self-evident. The only thing self-evident is the lack of critical thinking here. "
this is one of the stupidest arguments i ever heard, regarding trying to rationalize chopping of heads and hands. and you claim it's me not thinking critically.
really think about this. does the God of love that you pretend to worship, really wanting you to chop of heads and hands, and focus on getting lots of sex when you die? does that really sound like a divine plan to you? it's obviously as man made of a teaching, as we can get.
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@Best.Korea
Even if we accept this assumption as correct, it is God who controls who goes to Hell. It is God who decides who gets punished with Hell.
Obviously either you didn't fully grasp my point, or you are showing ignorance (respectfully)
God does not control who goes to Hell. Again, if Hell is separation from God, and our willingness to sin shows our desire to separate from God, it is by our own actions that we go to Hell.
For instance, here is an analogy:
You see hundreds of people purpousfully walking off of a cliff. Then you see a man walking through the crowd trying to convince people to walk the other way.
Now in this scenario, bottom of the cliff is Hell, and the steps they are taking towards the edge is sin. The man in the crowd is God/Jesus, and he is turning people away.
We are born into sin, and we are already walking toward that cliffs edge. God calls us back to him telling us to stop. At no point in this scenario is God pushing people off the cliff. He is simply letting them do it themselves.
God, being all powerful, could have easily created place for sinners that gives proportional punishments. That would be justice.
But that takes away the whole point.
See we are all sinners, and yes we deserve to pay the price, and go to a place like you suggest. But God paid that price already, by coming down and sacrificing his own son. Jesus is the justice. He takes away our punishment, and through his blood we are saved.