Colorado Supreme Court rules that Trump is an insurrectionist! Not qualified to run

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Reality, aka facts, have a liberal bias because liberals live in reality while conservatives believe in nonsense and make stuff up that aligns with their ignorance and their distorted worldview.
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Inflation is a fact. Liberal overspending did that. Therefore, reality has a liberal bias.
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while conservatives believe in nonsense
Can you define "nonsense" in this context?

and make stuff up that aligns with their ignorance and their distorted worldview.
How does this label not describe you?

ignorant definitions:


The main ones are "lacking knowledge" and, "rude".

You certainly are rude.  Granted, I don't care, but it's hypocrisy if you are against conservatives based on this.

In terms of, "lacking knowledge",  every living person on this planet has some amount of knowledge.

because liberals live in reality
If reality is real and not simulated, then everyone is living in reality.

It takes a very biased person to believe that their very strongly held opinions (that are not close to universally held opinions) are objective facts.  And there is nothing wrong with having a bias; just acknowledge that you have a bias.  Like I got biases towards certain positions.

A bias is nothing different from an opinion.  My biases I try and think through; but the left and right wing want to just follow the herd.

If Bernie Sanders says, "We need to protect women's bodily autonomy and rapists violate women's bodily autonomy.  We need to kill rapists!", you would endorse the death penalty for rape in the name of feminism.

If Donald Trump says, "We need to protect law and order and inner-city rapists violate law and order in horrible ways folks!  We need to kill rapists!", you denounce the death penalty for rape and call the idea racist.

If AOC says, "We need to cancel rent and make housing free even post COVID because housing is a human right", even though you are a landlord, you would be cheering her on (even though you collect rent, which is hypocritical).  AOC would be talking about you too.  If she says housing and rent should be free, she doesn't want you to charge rent either for your tenants.
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Can you define "nonsense" in this context?
Yes, statements and beliefs that make no sense and are factually untrue.

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If reality is real and not simulated, then everyone is living in reality.
Reality is the state of things as they are, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.

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 Inflation is a fact. Liberal overspending did that.
Inflation did exist, now it doesn’t. Trumps tax cuts, 8 trillions dollars in deficit spending and his botched response and mismanagement to Covid caused inflation.

Why doesn’t everyone just earn more money like me? Is it because they are losers? The losers Trump often refers to.

I mean imagine living in America, even born in America and the best you can do is work as a substitute teacher. It’s a lack of motivation really.
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I guess you will stop opening threads about Trump all the time. Man, that was annoying as hell, seemed that you felt in love with him. Lol. 
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I made a thread about Trump. I love Trump!
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Yes,  Donald Trump’s closest advisers viewed his last-ditch efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to reject the tally of state electors and overturn the 2020 election as “nuts,” “crazy” and even likely incite riots, witnesses revealed in stark testimony to the Jan. 6 committee in 2022.
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seemed that you felt in love with him.
Yeah, lol. Or he might feel remorse from sheeping the same WAPO articles that has been boosting Trump's poll numbers.

Either scenario is a real head-scratcher.
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Advocates against Voter ID law requirements cite that blacks can't get IDs (which they easily can).
I don't know what advocates you are referring to, I've never heard anyone claim "blacks can't get ID's". You seem fundamentally confused about what voter suppression is. As I already explained, it's not about disqualifying any individual from voting. It's about making it harder to vote, and to do so in such a way that the natural outcome will favor one political party.

Before I used the example of banning college ID's, your response was to argue that college students are not banned from voting which again, misses the entire point. We're not talking about individuals, we're talking about statistics. If college ID's are banned, then many college students will find themselves without the ID necessary to vote, meaning they will now have to spend their own time and money to get what they need. Some will, many won't. The impact of this decision is that less college students will vote. And since this is a reliable constituency for democrats, this will hurt the Democratic candidates chances.

Do you understand?

Advocates for Voter ID laws merely don't want undocumented immigrants voting.
Complete and utter bullshit.

There is no evidence whatsoever that illegal immigrants are flocking to the polls, and there has never been despite decades of searching for it. Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem, meanwhile the impacts of these laws is tangible, measurable and objective.

When one continues to support laws that cannot be demonstrated to solve any problem while demonstrably creating a problem on the back end of it, it becomes clear what the real motives are.

Political positions are not a matter of randomness which we can evaluate via statistical probabilities, they are the result of how we see the world.
They kinda are.
Proving my point yet again.

There are multiple flaws with this argument:
a. There are 8 combinations of beliefs based on the 3 issues you stated.  They are:
I have no idea what your point here is.

2nd thing, you claim leftism is:

Letting and supporting people living their lives how they see fit.
I didn't say that. Please pay attention.

I said if you hold that particular view/value, *then* you will likely *be on the left* on all three of those issues. It wasn't a definition of leftism.

You also seem to misunderstand libertarianism. Libertarians are leftists when it comes to social policy and are on the political right when it comes to economic policy.

It would then be an arbitrary combination of "public health/safety" and, "freedom".  The right does the same thing.  A time when they support "public health" is banning gay sex because it has the potential to spread STIs
These are not the same thing. I supported vaccine mandates because we were dealing with a highly contagious disease, so your refusal to get yourself vaccinated (based on the available data at that time) endangers all of us. The freedom to swing your arms ends at someone else's nose.

Banning gay sex had absolutely nothing to do with any of that. First of all there is nothing about the fact that it's two men or two women which increases the spread of STI's, that's just bigotry plain and simple. But more importantly, you have to choose to have sex and you have to choose to do so unprotected. You can't catch an STI on line at the grocery store.

They are not the same.

If you really believe that political ideology is caused by what is on someone's tongue
I didn't say that, I was talking about a correlation as a very interesting and unexpected contributing factor. Unsurprisingly, you ignored the point and focused only on the part you could pull out of my example to make it sound as absurd as you could. You seem to have a penchant for doing that, so it's no wonder you constantly and consistently strawman everyone else.

Sometimes it's better to not treat scientists like a religion that can't be questioned no matter what.  Sometimes common sense makes more sense.
Following facts, logic and evidence is not treating scientists likes religion. You really love strawmanning people.
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Yes, statements and beliefs that make no sense and are factually untrue.
To an extent, this is true (like claiming Trump won in 2020; he didn't).

However, many other claims they make (like a zygote being a human being) at least have the possability of being true.

You would be pretty arrogant if you did not believe that there was even a 1% chance (or 99% chance) that a zygote is a human being given the state of our society right now.

Interesting how you dodged my other points, about how you would treat Bernie Sanders better than Trump if they both advocated the same policy (assuming their reason for supporting the policy is different).  If an otherwise racist likes there being black people in the US to grow the GDP, so be it.


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If an otherwise racist likes there being black people in the US to grow the GDP, so be it.
What are you saying here? 

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If college ID's are banned, then many college students will find themselves without the ID necessary to vote, meaning they will now have to spend their own time and money to get what they need.
Voting with Student ID in 2023: The State of the Law & Pending Legislation - Voting Rights Lab states that just 5 states in the US (3 of whom are very safe states, the other 2 are more battleground, but not by much; no state like Arizona or Georgia bans student ids when voting).

Now, should this be the law?  I would say that it makes sense for it to be the law because many college students are immigrants who have a green card, and are therefore inegilable to vote (but they would have a student ID).  US citizen students have driver's licenses, or if they don't, they vote the way people in Manhattan do.

Although if there were 2 types of student IDs (one for Citizens, one for non-citizens) and the Citizen IDs let you vote, I would be fine with allowing student ID to vote.

There is no evidence whatsoever that illegal immigrants are flocking to the polls

New York City gives noncitizens right to vote in local elections | CNN Politics.  I would assume a decent number of undocumented immigrants are voting (and would try to vote illegally).  Now, 27% of the country has the opinion that the undocumented should be allowed to vote (I can't find the source, but I remember the stat) and they have a rationale for it, "No taxation without representation".  So it's an ok position to defend if it's what you believe.  Just don't play hide the ball.

You also seem to misunderstand libertarianism. Libertarians are leftists when it comes to social policy and are on the political right when it comes to economic policy.
Some Social issues the libetarians and the left disagree on:
1. Gun control
2. Vacciene mandates
3. Mask mandates
4. Testing requirements
5. Free speech absolutism

Some economic issues libetarians and the conservatives disagree on:
1. Free trade
2. Corporate welfare
3. Funding the Israeli military
4. Military spending

The idea that libetarians are, "Fiscally conservative, socially left" is incorrect.

 I supported vaccine mandates because we were dealing with a highly contagious disease, so your refusal to get yourself vaccinated (based on the available data at that time) endangers all of us. 
"Freedom for all unless it endangers public health/saftey (my party decides when saftey outweighs freedom and vice versa)".  Got it!


 First of all there is nothing about the fact that it's two men or two women which increases the spread of STI's, that's just bigotry plain and simple. But more importantly, you have to choose to have sex and you have to choose to do so unprotected. You can't catch an STI on line at the grocery store.
"Public health doesn't matter if it's a situation you chose to put yourself into (so that applies to lockdowns and mask mandates as well, right?)"

I'm starting to learn a lot!

so it's no wonder you constantly and consistently strawman everyone else.
Not on pourpose; I'm saying unfortunetly, people are tribalistic and they want to follow their tribe (even if it doesn't make any sense).

Following facts, logic and evidence is not treating scientists likes religion.
So you will believe the scientists no matter what?  Even if they say 2nd hand smoke is worse for you than actually smoking?

Wrt to the COVID vacciene, both of the following claims are true:

1. The vaccienes prevent COVID death 90% of the time.
2. Unvaccinated people that aren't elderly if they get COVID have a 99.9% chance of surviving.

They are both facts, but I expect you to ignore the 2nd one because you have a party to follow.
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If an otherwise racist likes there being black people in the US to grow the GDP, so be it.
What are you saying here? 
I'm saying whatever someone's reasons for supporting a normal idea are, so be it.

If someone supports the idea of giving me $5 because they think I am an ugly piece of shit and they want to try and make me feel better (but it's my choice to take the money under those conditions), hey man; I'm ugly, not stupid!
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 Trump lost popular vote twice. People dont want him.
Really?

That's not what current polling shows.

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I'm saying whatever someone's reasons for supporting a normal idea are, so be it.
Gee, such integrity 

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Nice way to expand voting rights; by not letting people that disagree with you on Trump vote.
I am against taking Trump off the ballot, but I also believe we need to follow the constitution, which clearly says Trump can't run.

It says nothing of the sort.

14/3 was written in direct response to the Civil War and the Confederacy. Anyone in the Confederacy was targeted by 14/3. 
And there is one clear Office or Position that isn't even mentioned in 14/3, the Office of the President.

There was no insurrection on J6, and Trump had no hand/play/shall have engaged in (physically) during the riot of J6. 

SCOTUS will overturn Colorado, thereby quashing any other state's stupid attempt to kick Trump off the ballot. 
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There was no insurrection on J6, and Trump had no hand/play/shall have engaged in (physically) during the riot of J6. 
Did Jefferson Davis “engage in  (physically)” during the Civil War? No.

Could he run for federal office? No

And there is one clear Office or Position that isn't even mentioned in 14/3, the Office of the President.
Wrong. 

“No person shall hold office under the United States” who, having previously taken an oath as an officer of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof”

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Seems like delusion has a left wing bias too.
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California is now ready to follow suit.

Expect a massive amount of backlash from the people as State government officials continue to revolt against Democracy.
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You haven't provided a single serious response to anything I've said, at this point you've made it clear that you're just arguing to argue, and you've also demonstrated everything I've pointed out about you. You have a need to feel above everyone else, so you twist and turn everything those with clearly defined viewpoints say in order to avoid confronting them for what they are. You really need to spend some time reflecting on that, but you won't.

If college ID's are banned, then many college students will find themselves without the ID necessary to vote, meaning they will now have to spend their own time and money to get what they need.
Irrelevant.

I was using college ID's as an example to explain to you what voter suppression is. Arguing that college ID laws are only used in 5 states has nothing to do with the conversation.

There is no evidence whatsoever that illegal immigrants are flocking to the polls
Irrelevant.

New York city policy on local elections has nothing to do with voter fraud or the lack of evidence thereof.

The idea that libetarians are, "Fiscally conservative, socially left" is incorrect.
Political ideologies are not defined in terms of absolutes. This is another thing you love to do, find small and insignificant exceptions to argue that the greater point is wrong. This is what arguing just to argue looks like, it's just not serious.

"Freedom for all unless it endangers public health/saftey (my party decides when saftey outweighs freedom and vice versa)".  Got it!
This is just stupid.

The party in power gets to decide, that's why we have elections.

"Public health doesn't matter if it's a situation you chose to put yourself into (so that applies to lockdowns and mask mandates as well, right?)"

I'm starting to learn a lot!
No, you're definitely not.

Catching an STI because you chose to have unprotected sex is not the same thing as catching a virus because you needed bread and milk. Plus, STI's are not going to shut down the country.

Following facts, logic and evidence is not treating scientists likes religion.
So you will believe the scientists no matter what? 
No genius.

Following facts, logic and evidence =/= believing scientists no matter what.

so it's no wonder you constantly and consistently strawman everyone else.
Not on pourpose
It is clearly on purpose. If not directly, then you are at the least purposefully refusing to reflect on it.
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And there is one clear Office or Position that isn't even mentioned in 14/3, the Office of the President.
So you believe the office of the United States Presidency is not an office under the United States, is that correct?


There was no insurrection on J6, and Trump had no hand/play/shall have engaged in (physically) during the riot of J6. 
The person who incites and then gives comfort to those who physically engaged, is by definition engaging in it.

SCOTUS will overturn Colorado, thereby quashing any other state's stupid attempt to kick Trump off the ballot. 
Probably. After all a third of the court was appointed by Trump himself. This doesn't mean it's right.

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That's not what current polling shows
Let me know when Trump wins popular vote, not what the polls are.

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Let me Know when America is no longer a Republic.
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If America was not a Republic, Trump wouldnt become president in 2017.

Just some of the advantages of actual democracy.
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If America was not a Republic, Trump wouldnt become president in 2017.

Probably not.  Might makes right politics would permit overpopulated NY and CA to select the president and the rest of the states would decide to balkanize to preserve their culture.

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rest of the states would decide to balkanize
USA is not a confederation. States decide nothing.
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The video you sent is basically saying, "Look at all these radical left fat people".

The left's fat people are irrelevant people in Tik Tok.  The right's fat people have a decent chance at becoming POTUS:


Trump is fat!


Obesity is mainly a red state problem!


Here is who the democrats had as POTUS before Trump.


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Nobody on the far-right is saying it is OK to be fat and dying.

Those people in the video all died at around 30 with the full blessing of the far-left "fat-positivity"