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then what about those 9.6 million people who lose their jobs?
Most of them got the jobs back under Biden. Biden has lowest unemployment rate.
Bullshit.


No wage increases for me none for anyone I know
I guess we are just supposed to trust you over any official statistics. 
If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data. It is after all promises about inaccessible data and analysis that underpins the man made climate catastrophe claim and many of the claims during covid. Trust the science! (I am the SCIENCE, I stole the rod of sciencification from Fauci)

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If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data.
I see. I should trust you over people who have actually collected the data.
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If you have no data of your own then you should trust me since I have collected some data.
I see. I should trust you over people who have actually collected the data.
You trust they collected the data. You trust that the data they collected has no sample bias. You trust that they made sound calculations from that data. You trust that they aren't committing equivocation fallacies (changing the meaning of words).

You do a lot of trusting, and I am merely pointing out that all it takes is a lack of that same trust to call BS.

I am talking about what I believe based on my data vs trusting them. Since there is absolutely no chance (based on all your posting history) that you're going to dive into detailed economic calculations with me there is no point in asking you to justify your borrowed claims. You're acting here only as a messenger and you have previously openly admitted that you don't care if what you say one day contradicts what you'll say tomorrow.

In other words there is nothing more to say other than "BS".
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You trust they collected the data. You trust that the data they collected has no sample bias. You trust that they made sound calculations from that data. You trust that they aren't committing equivocation fallacies (changing the meaning of words).
Plenty of sites collected the data about average wages and prices in 2019 and 2023.

You of course collected the data of what, 10 people?

10 out of 200 million.

I guess you can see right now why I am not going with your data?
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there is no point in asking you to justify your borrowed claims
You mean other than plenty of research sites being on my side, none being on your?

And if we dont trust any data, then I dont trust your data either, reducing your claims to nothing and then you have nothing to complain about under Biden.

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Plenty of sites collected the data about average wages and prices in 2019 and 2023.
"Sites" you mean like "websites"? Where do you think data comes from?


10 out of 200 million.
You think 200 million people are earning wages do you? Kinda proves my point. No point trying to convince a messenger who isn't interested in being anything more.


I guess you can see right now why I am not going with your data?
I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own. Possibly because you don't provide for yourself or anyone around you and thus haven't been paying attention to prices.


You mean other than plenty of research sites being on my side, none being on your?
Rofl, "research sites". I haven't looked recently. I'm not going to look since there isn't much point in having numbers more accurate than my own. The real issue is that you haven't looked, won't look, and wouldn't care if I link dumped. I'm not the one vomiting statistics without a clue how they were created.


And if we dont trust any data, then I dont trust your data either
Fine, go get some of your own. All you have to do is find old coupon mailers from before the pandemic.


reducing your claims to nothing and then you have nothing to complain about under Biden.
I think you're confusing who is who. I am me, I collected my data, therefore I trust my data. You are you. You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results. Just because you don't believe me doesn't mean I don't have anything to complain about.

Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off. So if I'm crazy and live in some bizarre microverse; how come 68% of people polled are similarly unimpressed with those "official numbers" vs their own receipts and W2s?
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You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results.
Great. So I can reject your complains.

Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off. 
Data really isnt about what masses (who cant do math) think.
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I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own.
Sorry, I thought you came here to debate about wages of entire USA, but you just came to compare your friend's wages to friends of other people here.
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You are under no obligation to trust me when I claim to have relevant data and results.
Great. So I can reject your complains.
Just like I can call BS on your borrowed claims. Which I did.


Greyparrot has posted a statistic, 68% of people think they are worse off. 
Data really isnt about what masses (who cant do math) think.
You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.
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I'm guessing it's because you don't have any data of your own.
Sorry, I thought you came here to debate about wages of entire USA, but you just came to compare your friend's wages to friends of other people here.
Fine I'll show you that you can't handle it:


10496/8905 = 118%

18% < 20-50%

Therefore "everybody has more = false.
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You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.
Yeah, trusting official data is just as bad as trusting random people on internet. 

Just like I can call BS on your borrowed claims. Which I did.
Ah I see. So you had to impose a standard where I "cant trust anyone and everything is false except personal research which I cant even prove I conducted and cant even conduct on large scale."

Good luck with that.

In the end, your standard destroys your own claims, because we cannot blindly trust you. Therefore, nothing to complain about under Biden regarding economy. Sounds like a win for me. I dont know what you were trying there.
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You speak as if you have data, but you have none. You have numbers you lifted of websites you have decided to trust without doing any (relevant) math.
Yeah, trusting official data is just as bad as trusting random people on internet. 
When the officials are fascists, it's worse.


we cannot blindly trust you.
You don't have to. All you have to do is give a shit, use your brain, and see that 20% inflation is off by a factor of 1.5 to 2.


Sounds like a win for me.
Everything sounds like a win to you.
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Your data for total wages ends in 2022.

Its 2024.
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When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.
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10496/8905 = 118%
In 2019, it was 8769.

2020 doesnt count, due to high unemployment rate.

Thats why I was comparing 2019 to 2023.

You compared 2020 to 2022.
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When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.
My data is from late 2023. I already posted it. Did you forgot?
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I checked again.

Your data is from january of 2022. 

So it doesnt even include year 2022.
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10496/8905 = 118%
In 2019, it was 8769.

2020 doesnt count, due to high unemployment rate.
So total wages were $8905e9 in 2020 while they were $8769e9 in 2019.

People (purportedly) made more money in 2020 than 2019 (in USD, not real value); but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?

For what reason?

Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?

10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.

Therefore "everybody has more = false.

Also there is the problem of distribution. Maybe IWRA is a deep state beneficiary, counting the number of pronouns gets a wage doubling; but that doesn't mean everybody or even most people's wages kept up with inflation.
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When does your data end? Oh wait... you don't have data. Forgot.
My data is from late 2023. I already posted it. Did you forgot?
You posted no such data.


Your data is from january of 2022. 
Then it follows that the 2020 number was from Jan 1 of 2020, before covid or the job losses. Pick a story.
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but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?
For what reason?
Because unemployed people dont get the money and the rich get more instead?

Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?
10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.
Wow, you walked right into that one.

"10496" is from january of 2022.

Its from two years ago.

So if it increased by just 2% since then, it follows:
21% >20% rise in prices.
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"In 2020, BLS derived totals of 10.5 million establishments, 139.1 million employed, and $8.9 trillion in wages"

"In 2019, BLS derived totals of 10.2 million establishments, 148.1 million employed, and $8.8 trillion in wages"

So not before the job loss, but thanks for playing.
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Rent in 2023:    1180$

Rent in 2019:    1062%

Increase in price: about 11%.

So apparently, some prices only increased by 11% since 2019, where wages increased by over 20%.

Therefore, we see that your claims of 50% price increase may have been the drunk talk taken outside of average price.

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but that doesn't count because of high unemployment rate?
For what reason?
Because unemployed people dont get the money and the rich get more instead?
You realize wages are not uniform right? Consider two snapshots:

A:
9,999 people earn $1/period
1 person earns $10,001/period

Total wages = $20,000
Total number of employed people = 10,000

B:
10,000 people earn $2/period

Total wages = $20,000
Total number of people employed = 10,000


Shall we redo the calculation with 2019 number?
10496/8769 = 119%, wow huge difference. 19% < 20-50%.
Wow, you walked right into that one.

"10496" is from january of 2022.
It's from 2022 according to BLS. Whether it is from Jan or end of year I don't care, I'll wait for you to pick a story.


Its from two years ago.

So if it increased by just 2% since then, it follows:
21% >20% rise in prices.
20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)


$18.67, was $13 in early 2020 = 43% increase


"In 2020, BLS derived totals of 10.5 million establishments, 139.1 million employed, and $8.9 trillion in wages"

"In 2019, BLS derived totals of 10.2 million establishments, 148.1 million employed, and $8.8 trillion in wages"

So not before the job loss, but thanks for playing.
If it wasn't before the job loss than the total was not as of Jan 1st 2022. Chase your tail around some more, a dichotomy is a dichotomy; unless you're saying there is an error on the website.


Rent in 2023:    1180$

Rent in 2019:    1062%

Increase in price: about 11%.

So apparently, some prices only increased by 11% since 2019, where wages increased by over 20%.

Therefore, we see that your claims of 50% price increase may have been the drunk talk taken outside of average price.

How come your source says:
According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-year (YoY) from the first quarter of 2021 to the first quarter of 2022.
Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.
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"Rent in 2023:    1180$"  Where? Where is there a place for rent for 1180$  that is in a low rent  crack head slum.

Also, Oh Gee, I wonder if Biden's gonna win. He will probably get  75% of the votes this time.
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Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.
Its a price of a one bedroom apartment. You can see that same prices are here:

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According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-year
Thats average for all apartments, including luxury ones. My link was talking about simple one bedroom apartments.

If it wasn't before the job loss than the total was not as of Jan 1st 2022. 
Maybe you dont understand that government doesnt post statistics at the same time every year?

20% is the lower limit.
This is your assumption which you did not prove with any data.

It's from 2022 according to BLS. Whether it is from Jan or end of year I don't care
It makes your data outdated.
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20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)
I didnt realize you were buying cement. 

Should have bought banana instead. Its price has increased by only 10% since 2019, negating your claim of minimum 20% increase.
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There are millions of products on the market, but most common is rent, food, healthcare, smartphones.

Did you know that smartphone prices have significantly dropped per use value.

In fact, a 4gb ram smartphone costs much less now than it did in 2019.

And I have already covered rent and bananas.

And Biden has covered healthcare, so people pay less for it.
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Biden is the son of a used car salesman.

You can use stats to sell a car, but the owners get to decide if it's really a good deal.
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[sadolite] "Rent in 2023:    1180$"  Where? Where is there a place for rent for 1180$  that is in a low rent  crack head slum.

Oh right, mixing medians and averages. Rookie mistake.
[Best.Korea] Its a price of a one bedroom apartment. You can see that same prices are here:
From your source:
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) defines Fair Market Rent (FMR). The FMR is not the price the average renter pays, however.
The government saying what rent should be in their opinion. Mmmm


According to some measurements, the national average rent increased over 18% year-over-year
Thats average for all apartments, including luxury ones. My link was talking about simple one bedroom apartments.
It was your link.


20% is the lower limit. Not the average or median. Sometimes it's 100% (things that were $50 are now $100)
I didnt realize you were buying cement.
You don't realize a lot. I wonder where places to live and rent come from?


There are millions of products on the market
and I don't trust biased researchers to same such a huge space fairly.


Did you know that smartphone prices have significantly dropped per use value.
Are you telling me they had wiggle room when they charged over a thousand dollars for a little computer they mass produced? That's incredible. Mind blowing. I guess everything will be ok after all. As long as we have smartphones we can watch the propaganda from where ever we are and we won't need things like energy, food, or concrete foundations.


And Biden has covered healthcare, so people pay less for it.
Jeez I fell for it again, here I am taking you seriously for a full minute. Thanks for snapping me out of it. That's right, healthcare is so cheap. Never been cheaper. War is peace. 2+2=5. The party will get you that bread don't you worry comrade!