Without God in the picture, evil still exists
Well, your God says he created the world.
So no God, no world, no evil.
I mean, you religious folks really gotta think of some better arguments.
In case of Lucifer, Lucifer is not creator so he isnt at fault for evil.
Christians really shot themselves in the foot when they claimed God created everything.
Now they have to defend the position that every evil in the world and every rape in the world is not only justified, but necessary.
Lol at you
Nothing like NOT answering my point. It's too difficult for people like yourself to actually have to think, isn't it?
Whatever I think about evil - and what part God had in it or not is IRRELEVANT really. And I have addressed elsewhere.
The Atheist knows evil exists. It is all around the Atheist, every day. And this is the case EVEN though they "know" God does not exist.
Take God out of the picture and the exact amount of evil still exists. It doesn't change. The Atheist has to concede that its cause is not God.
Hence, unless they are prepared to agree with the idea of first and second causes, then they can't attribute anything to a being they don't believe in.
I believe in the first and second causes. Just like the story of Jonah described. In Chapter 1, the sailors threw the prophet into the sea. And in Chapter 2, Jonah asserts it was God who hurled him into the deep.
The Christian says God created all things. Evil of course is not a thing. It is an action or lack of action. It is a lack of goodness. It isn't a thing per se. Rape is not a created thing. It is the breaking of a rule. It is an action or a lack of doing something good. You can't create a rape. Sin is in the same category. Sin is not a thing. It is an action or an omission of an action. Theft is taking something. It is not a thing. Adultery is the breaking of a rule. It is not a thing. Murder or killing something is not a thing. You don't create a murder. You don't create an adultery. You don't create an evil.
You need to think. You need to define your terms better. You speak so much nonsense that you actually believe. Yes, the Bible says God created good and God created evil. I've read that - but he is not talking about creating a thing. He made only good things. And no one can find anything in the universe that God created - a thing that is not good. Even Satan. God made Lucifer. He was an angel. Lucifer rebelled against God. That was an action. Satan is simply a rebellious angel. He is not evil per se.
Even in your comments - you swing between things and actions. between nouns and verbs. evil is not a thing. It is the lack of doing good. And in the context where God is said to create evil, the context is clearly about judgment on those who do evil. And the word evil like most of us would agree becomes subjective. God does evil upon the evildoers. In other words, like the criminal in court who is sentenced by the judge will call any sentence evil or bad or not good, so God causes judgment on those who do evil. In the eyes of the evil doer, God's judgment will always be evil, even though the rest of the universe will say- praise God. And thank you for bringing judgment on that person.
judgment of course is not a thing. It is an action. An action on evildoers. It is not created out of thin air. It is not something you can pick up and put in your pocket. It is not something you can take to the bank and say - look after this. It is an action. If God judged the evil doer, the evil doer says - evil. If God does not judge the evil doer, then the good in the community say "evil". It is action.