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@Sam_Flynn
I forgot to say "...but cellular life is NOT actual ([a]) human life."HistoryBuff understood the point I was making. It's not that hard.
A Zygote is.
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@ebuc
To call a fetus a child seconds after fertilization is a exaggeration.
It's a young living human.
To call a fetus a baby seconds of fertilization is an exaggeration. To call fetus/baby a child ---much less a being born out-- and has taken its first inspiration of air/oxygen and not had chord severed is another exaggeration on your part.
Once again, it's a young living human.
Egg cell and spermazoa are alive.
First off, not a response to my question.
Also, they are not living in the specific way a zygote is.
The spermazoa is a gift to the woman to do with as she so chooses with her bodily organisms.
So, you are defending the right to partly create human life, then immediately murder it?
Unless they have a prearranged contract otherwise the above is truth and fact of the mater.
It supports the possibility of genocide.
For others to stick their nose into a pregnants womans bodily business without her consent is virtual rape.
I am allowed to tell murderers to stop.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Cancer is a cell, with a sole purpose of killing another organism. It has no chance of becoming its own being. A zygote does.
ok. so a chance at becoming a person, makes something a person? By that logic semen is a person. It has a chance of becoming a person.
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@Sam_Flynn
Each stage of a pregnancy is ascribed scientific labels for a reason. They define the stage of development along the 9-month process of said pregnancy.
Logical common sense critical thinking is involved in any scientific methodology. The words used may have varied by scientists in biologic field over the years.
Please share when you can be specific in point to the words/phrases etc that invalidate my logical common sense critical thinking as presented.
Please share when you can be specific in point to the words/phrases etc that invalidate my logical common sense critical thinking as presented.
The only reality/issue of a pregnancy is fetal viability.
False. You totally ignore the most important issue and that is the pregnant woman. This is you first lack of logical common sense critical thinking and resultant of some dogma that most likely has some religious origins. Ex Biblical
Anything prior to it is immaterial, and it is precisely why over 89-95% of ALL abortions have been historically before 14 weeks gestation, with the majority of those being before 6 weeks. Less tha1.2% are after fetal viability and they're for dire situations.
Anything before, or after fetal viability, does not trump/override the most important consideration, and once again, is the pregnant woman.
..." The six biological karyotype sexes that do not result in death to the fetus are:
X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female. ".....
This is logical common sense critical thinking. Biological diversity = sex and Fungi have thousands { 36.000 } of sexes.
In order of priority:
1} Woman egg X x > * * < X or y spermazoa Man
2] Pregnant woman and man only has say if woman and man have prior contract to his gifting the woman his spermaoa,
3} fertilized egg,
4} fertilized egg viabily,
5} born out fetus/baby that has taken its first inspiration { inspirited } of air/oxygen, ergo,
6} first step to being and less dependent, human individual, and,
7} the chord is severed from the pregnant woman who is now a mother to a child { less dependent individual }.
Follow the above bouncing ball ---on tv screen-- to teach children how to read is something many people have no knowledge of and I think we need an adult version to educate those humans that actually want to learn logical common sense critical thinking truths based on science facts we know.
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@YouFound_Lxam
See my post 94 to sam, and leave your "murder" rehtoric out of the conversation please.
Abortion of pregnant woman's fertilized egg > fetus/baby is has two primary ways of occurring:
1} non-intentional and is also labeled as natural abortion, tho humans are natural and it is natural for humans to make choices.
2} intentional abortion by pregnant woman is not murder of a less dependent, born out, air/oxygen breathing individual human, and for those like you who want to conflate those two scenarios, I repeat, please keep your nose { virtual rape } out of a pregnant woman's bodily business unless she asks for your assistance, otherwise, your committing virtual rape with your nose.
Do you understand the words coming off my fingertips?
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@HistoryBuff
ok. so a chance at becoming a person, makes something a person? By that logic semen is a person. It has a chance of becoming a person.
Chance at becoming a human being, by natural processes in its own abilities.
Sperm still needs egg.
Egg still needs sperm.
Zygote doesn't need another cell.
Contemporary American and Japanese societies (amongst others) define death as the moment where no recognizable pattern is produced by the brain in an EEG. Consequently, the beginning of life would occur when there's a recognizable EEG pattern being produced by the fetus. This happens around 24-27 weeks after conception.
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@ebuc
Each stage of a pregnancy is ascribed scientific labels for a reason. They define the stage of development along the 9-month process of said pregnancy.Logical common sense critical thinking is involved in any scientific methodology. The words used may have varied by scientists in biologic field over the years.Please share when you can be specific in point to the words/phrases etc that invalidate my logical common sense critical thinking as presented.
"Logical common sense critical thinking..." = Word Salad. Common Sense Critical Thinking Why Common Sense is NOT so Common
Conception = Zygote.
Zygote to Blastocyst
Blastocyst to Embryo
Embryo to Unviable Fetus
Unviable Fetus to Viable Fetus
Viable Fetus to Birth
At any time during the pregnancy PRIOR TO fetal viability, remove it, and it automatically dies. Why? It simply has not gestated long enough to sustain its own biological and physiological functionality. With or without medical assistance. FACT!~
The rest of your post is just more word salad gibberish.
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@Sam_Flynn
"Logical common sense critical thinking..." = Word Salad.
False. Educate your slef you appear to fear truth if not also facts
The only reality/issue of a pregnancy is fetal viability.
You did not address the followin reply by to your above, because you fear truth if not also facts. Sad :-( most likely your ignorance of truth is base on some religous dogmatic beliefs based in Bible or other.
False. You totally ignore the most important issue and that is the pregnant woman. This is you first lack of logical common sense critical thinking and resultant of some dogma that most likely has some religious origins. Ex Biblical
At any time during the pregnancy PRIOR TO fetal viability, remove it, and it automatically dies. Why? It simply has not gestated long enough to sustain its own biological and physiological functionality. With or without medical assistance. FACT!~
Yes is is true the if you remove fertilized egg 5 minutes afterward it will die. Old news.
Anything before, or after fetal viability, does not trump/override the most important consideration, and once again, is the pregnant woman.
The rest of your post is just more word salad gibberish.
This is more of your false narrative because you fear truth if not facts. Educate your self and then if you want to converse via logical, common sense critical thinking, start by address the specfiics I presented. You rarely do that, and when you do it is just more ignorant statements by you that most likely based on some religious beliefs based in bible or others,
.." The six biological karyotype sexes that do not result in death to the fetus are:
X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female. ".....
This is logical common sense critical thinking. Biological diversity = sex and Fungi have thousands { 36.000 } of sexes.
Please revert to childhood phase where you can have open mind, ---instead of closed mind---, and follow below the bouncing ball 1 - 7. You avoided it last time because of your fear of truth if not also facts. This kind of ignorance leads to a society that is confused by false narrative and then the fascist dictaotrs have easier chance of slipping into power.
In order of priority:
1} Woman egg X x > * * < X or y spermazoa Man
2] Pregnant woman and man only has say if woman and man have prior contract to his gifting the woman his spermaoa,
3} fertilized egg,
4} fertilized egg viabily,
5} born out fetus/baby that has taken its first inspiration { inspirited } of air/oxygen, ergo,
6} first step to being and less dependent, human individual, and,
7} the chord is severed from the pregnant woman who is now a mother to a child { less dependent individual }.
Follow the above bouncing ball ---on tv screen-- to teach children how to read is something many people have no knowledge of and I think we need an adult version to educate those humans that actually want to learn logical common sense critical thinking truths based on science facts we know.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Zygote doesn't need another cell.
of course they do. They need to grow brains, lungs, bones etc. If they fail to do this, which could happen for any number of reason, a person will never exist.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Nope.My argument is that a girl who involves herself in sex, has agreed to the possibility of getting pregnant. Therefore, it is still her body/her choice, because she can choose whether to have sex or not.
All you did was restate your position without any regard to the problems I just pointed out.
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@HistoryBuff
of course they do. They need to grow brains, lungs, bones etc. If they fail to do this, which could happen for any number of reason, a person will never exist.
Zygotes only need resources. They grow as its own biological creature.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Zygotes only need resources. They grow as its own biological creature.
uh huh. so the same as a sperm. They need an egg in order to start the process to become a person. A zygote needs all kinds of things to be given to it in order to continue the process of becoming a person.
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@HistoryBuff
so the same as a sperm. They need an egg in order to start the process to become a personA zygote needs all kinds of things to be given to it in order to continue the process of becoming a person.
Nope. A sperm needs an egg
A zygote grows on its own as its own biological creature.
One can get a women pregnant with Russells or Darrens sperm.
A women can impregnate a women or herself with Russells or Darrens sperm.
One could do that sneakily, accidentally, consensual.
How does the law deal with that ?
Is one "allowed" to hold / keep Russell and Darens sperm.
Harvesting eggs is diffrent.
Well to a lame man.
20 days later
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@Greyparrot
1st Happy Holidays!
You should finish the sentence. It states "all men are created equal" in that all men have a creator endowed right to live, because we naturally wish to live as observed as a natural born instinct.
Look at it backwards When we hold life, liberty, and thepursuit of happiness as a state of the union with established justice the wholetruth is all men must be created equal by their creator before life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness takes place. As a whole truth I can say not allmen have a problem with women when it comes to the termination of a life withlethal force. Afterall women are legally allowed not to get pregnant thisprocess is even supported by most if not all religions, women have been assigneda waiting period by criminal law regulations not to become pregnant.
I am not fighting abortion I am defending a United StatesConstitutional Right on behalf of others which includes men, women, and MedicalDoctors. I do not need to protect legal counsel for them, and they only havesome protection already from criminal law to some degree. Why are people stuckon the word abortion, why must people insist on changing the meaning andholding multiple means on a word to be used as a whole truth is a state of unionwith established justice? What is wrong with using three words to describesomething more complex than just the word abortion had covered in the past.Meaning an official stop of something which had officially begun. Pardon theprudence here but Female specific amputation holds a more complex meaning then anorder to simply stop and end something that has officially begun that must be obeyedor disobeyed by all doctors.
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@Greyparrot
You should finish the sentence. It states "all men are created equal" in that all men have a creator endowed right to live
Look at it backwards When we hold life, liberty, and thepursuit of happiness as a state of the union with established justice the wholetruth is all men must be created equal by their creator before life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness takes place. As a whole truth I can say not allmen have a problem with women when it comes to the termination of a life withlethal force. Afterall women are legally allowed not to get pregnant thisprocess is even supported by most if not all religions, women have been assigneda waiting period by criminal law regulations not to become pregnant.
because we naturally wish to live as observed as a natural born instinct. An instinct observed also in utero, as a baby will recoil from a bright light or recoil from a prick. Starting around 7 weeks.
Are you saying an instinct of an observed utero baby is totry and kill its mothers due to bright light or a prick by a needle, could be. Wedo not know for sure, but we never know what spontaneous thing may trigger thedeath of a mother at the hands of a utero baby when using lethal force either,or the courts for assisting in the murder now that the United States SupremeCourt has sent the likely malpractice of law down to the State Supreme Courtsof law.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Nope. A sperm needs an eggA zygote grows on its own as its own biological creature.
The United States Constitutional argument over basic right is not if a life is involved or not with pregnancies and birth there are two lives and use of lethal force between them both. Only one of the two lives cannot be criminally charged, this person is the child born or not. 1.) Abortion is a word used in describing a crime incriminal law and is simply a term that is unacceptable for a United States Constitutional right between all women that may be involved in the legal argument in courts of law. We have no way to know the abortion is true or if Female specific amputation.
The meaning to abort outside of pregnancy is an order to officially stop something which has officially started and simply said there is no way to know this as fact ahead of time by the voter. The use of abortion in criminal law was not protected by the 1st Amendment is was found to be in violation of the United States Constitution’s 1st Amendment.
A state of the union to established justice was never made by women or by men on both United States of law and Constitutional principle. The inalienable truths that links women with child, pregnant, to the existing United States Constitution are ambassador and a process of immigration. Any and all trials conducted by Courts of law under United States Constitutional right are now taking place before the crime takes place and are based in a admission hidden in the legislation of criminal law itself.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
How does the law deal with that ?
Genetic testing...
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@YouFound_Lxam
A zygote grows on its own as its own biological creature.
You intentionally left something out as known fact. A zygote grows on its own as its own biological creature and can kill the mother without a murder charge of any kind by criminal law. The people of a state who vote on abortion are voting to assign the court as ambassador of the young child and that power comes from neither United States Constitution. Law of Nature, nor State Constitutions, it is an authority of the legislators of the States connecting them directly to a use oflethal force. I as a person do not have all the information of pregnancies of any or all women as a United State voter and cannot make predictions of the outcome of all birth. What any person can do is simply call all terminations of immigration of this kind as a group something other than abortion. A term like Female-specific amputation as a 1st Amendment Right linking the grievance to a liberty of justice for all instead of breaking a freedom of meaning to place many people in danger of criminal accusations.
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@John_C_87
The Declaration of Independence, as written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, includes the phrase "unalienable Rights" and specifically mentions the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The language of the Declaration emphasizes that these rights are considered inherent and not dependent on the actions or will of any government.
The relevant passage reads:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The connection between the right to life and observable instincts, such as the instinct to survive, is implicit in the broader philosophical context of the Declaration. The idea is something like...individuals possess inherent rights, including the right to life, by virtue of their existence. The specific link to observable instincts isn't explicitly outlined in the Declaration of I, but the emphasis on the inherent nature of these rights implies a recognition of fundamental aspects of human existence, including the instinctual drive for self-preservation. This instinct is observable as early as 8 weeks when the nervous system develops its first instinctive responses to preserve its life.
Restricting access to abortion goes against science, safety, and human dignity and portends a dangerous future.
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@FLRW
Christians like to meddle in other people's private lives.
If "woman's body" doesnt belong to her, then why is it called "woman's body"?
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@FLRW
Fetus depends upon woman's body. Woman's body does not depend upon a fetus. Woman created the fetus. The only reason why fetus exists is due to woman's action of creating it. Woman has a right to remove fetus from her body to prevent further expense of her body. Fetus exists at the expense of woman's body. Fetus does not have autonomy of its own, as it exists due to the expense of someone else, while someone else does not exist due to the expense of a fetus. Fetus does not support anyone's existence, but others support it's existence. This support is not mandatory, as no one has duty to support the existence of someone else at own expense. There is no autonomy if we have obligation to serve others. Fetus only exists due to woman creating it. To say that woman has obligation to serve it even more than that is a violation of woman's autonomy. Woman owns her own body. Fetus has no right to woman's body for the purpose of creating human life, any more than a rapist would have a right to woman's body for the purpose of impregnating her.
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@Greyparrot
This instinct is observable as early as 8 weeks when the nervous system develops its first instinctive responses to preserve its life.
Or end its life and the Ambassador assigned by law of naturewho oversees the immigration process of that life. We do not totally disagreeover the declaration of Independence made by men, for men, from Englishcriminal law. Let's just say for the sake of Constitutional Right the problemwith abortion is the name and not the use of questionable lethal force as thatinformation is not always available to us all. I call this situationfemale-specific amputation and understand the Courts of law, all the courts oflaw can rule on this without self-incrimination. What name does the people givethis process of question over lethal force?
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@FLRW
Restricting access to abortion goes against science, safety, and human dignity and portends a dangerous future.
Abortion is just a word which has an established meaning. Itis a poor connection to established justice and tranquility after almost 50years people, science, say they cannot see the danger, loss of dignity in thisas fact. What you are saying is a violation of United States Constitutional 1stAmendment Right in its entirety. It is a violation of this right as an entiretyas it assembles people by grievance of criminal accusation of a crime describedby the word abort. It is an order to stop and not remove by medical process.
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@Best.Korea
Fetus depends upon woman's body. Woman's body does not depend upon a fetus. Woman created the fetus. The only reason why fetus exists is due to woman's action of creating it. Woman has a right to remove fetus from her body to prevent further expense of her body
Maybe a woman has a right to her body, it this right is not the UnitedState between all women who are pregnant and may require medical attention. Theargument is how a malpractice of law is to be addressed by the states ofAmerica after its dismissal from the Supreme court. Immigration is a federalissue a women’s body is not a federal issue, the fact is wherever and when the babyfalls or leaves from the vagina attached to the mother by umbilical cord it is by lawof nature going to fall into a Country on earth, as a united state with allbabies, as so do all babies who rest in the womb of their ambassador. Do you agree or do you have some scientific evidence to establish this self-evident truth?
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@Best.Korea
Can I ask what is so important about the word abortion?
Why are people set on keeping the name the same through criminal history when they don't see it as a crime?
This is like a sextillion time worse than trying to give anew baby a name. The United States of American has asked that I share the burdens of lethal force with many men who serve in combat, possibly women who have no declaration of Independence in honor of American Constitution, I do so willingly. I am sure when I say I try to distance myself as far as possible from those people who enjoy that burden on our liberty.
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@John_C_87
all babies who rest in the womb of their ambassador
Ah, you are a poet.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Conservatives on abortion: The SCIENTISTS have all the answers! TRUST The SCIENTISTS!!!
Conservatives on COVID vaccination, transgenderism, climate change: Scientists are CURROPT!
From what I've noticed, when the science leans left, the conservatives claim it's because the scientists are part of the deep state. The one time when science brings about a right wing belief (zygotes are human), then the conservatives act like the pro science party.
If you want the left to agree with you on the abortion issue because of the scientist's findings, just be prepared to agree with them on all the other left wing stances scientists take (transgenderism, climate change, COVID boosters).
Just as you would get into your car, but you don’t want to crash, when you enter that car, you are consenting to the possibility of getting into a wreck.
But if someone gets into a wreck, they should try and get out of that situation.