Instigator / Pro
12
1495
rating
9
debates
44.44%
won
Topic
#917
New York thin crust pizza is superior to Chicago deep dish. Change my mind
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 3 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 30,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
21
1702
rating
574
debates
67.86%
won
Description
You read that correctly
Round 1
Greetings! Debate art fellow patrons. Tonight, I present to the community, the most epic clash perhaps the community has ever seen. This debate will not be a rational dialogue, but a single handed floor mopping, as the gloves in this debate are off, and I will not stop until the resolution has been proven, and men women and children across America are eating the correct pizza, and Chicago's deep dish reign of terror is but a distant memory.
I will go full Italian hotheaded lawyer, and demolish my opponent until the crowd laughs, sneers, and folds their slices. And, now, court is in session. I present my case, but first, some definitions.
Superior: According to Merriam Webster, superior can be defined as:
"of higher rank, quality, or importance."
And I will use "of higher quality" in regards to this debate.
New York Style thin crust: The delicious, thin, crispy and traditional pizza your ancestors enjoyed for centuries.
Chicago style deep dish: A meat and cheese casserole masquerading as pizza.
And now, here are the facts:
1. Chicago style deep dish pizza can literally kill you.
Picture, if you will, my audience. A busy inner city construction worker. It's a chilly autumn day as the day begins with hammering, drilling, and nail guns booming. As the day grows longer, our construction worker, Bill, decides to get some lunch for the crew. He steps down from his 16 story scaffold and heads down to the first floor, to walk across the street the local pizza joint.
Arriving at the usual pizza joint he's been buying lunch from for years, he is in shock as they have changed their menu. No longer will they be serving NY style pizza, the only pizza him and the crew know and love, they will now be serving Chicago style deep dish.
Slightly dismayed, but overall stoic, Bill decides to get several pies for the crew anyway.
He heads back up to the 16th floor, and serves the crew the new "pizza".
This is where things take a turn. After eating the deep dish conglomerate, several of Bill's workers decide to sit down on some steel beams and take a rest. Because the "pizza" was so heavy, filling, and rich, they, not accustomed to the fullness and sluggishness that ensues, fall asleep on the iron beams, and roll off of them during their nap, falling tragically 16 stories.
If Chicago style deep dish pizza was not so heavy and filling, these men would not have fallen asleep and fallen off the scaffolding. STRIKE ONE
2. Chicago style Pizza WILL cost you your job.
Let's imagine a busy mom named Ingrid. She is a single mother looking for a new job. She has an interview scheduled for 1:00 pm at a prestigious law firm. At 12:00, some friends ask her if she wants to stop by the local pizza joint and get some lunch. She says sure, but quickly because she has an important interview.
The girls sit down at a local pizzeria, but unbeknownst to Ingrid, this is a Chicago style pizza place. Ingrid was expecting a quick couple of slices, instead, the server takes 30 minutes and brings out a massive casserole filled with every meat and cheese imaginable. It is now 12:30, and, not wanting to be rude, Ingrid decides to have a quick bite. However, her "quick bite" turns into a long, arduous process of fork and knifing a slice of seemingly endless cheese and sauce.
Baffled by the concoction, it is now 12:45 and Ingrid will not make it to her interview on time.
Ingrid is now jobless, and her children hungry. But don't worry, I'm sure she'll bring home some leftovers. Thanks Chicago!
3. New York Pizza is convenient.
Whether you're a hip, skateboarding SJW rolling down to your next gender studies class, and want a quick, convenient bite to eat on the go, or a busy lawyer trying to get John Gotti busted, a slice of New York style pizza is always readily available to eat on the go. Beloved by wise guys and cops alike, this pizza is the true symbol of American freedom. Chicago pizza is a slow, sit down ritual that leaves the eater in a daze.
The answer is clear, NY pizza is better.
For this Round, Con agrees with most of what Pro has suggested so far. The NY flimsy-crust is a good lunch-to-dinner ranked meal that's low quantity+quality of cheese and dough and low time-consuming to make, relative to the Chicago luscious alternative.
What takes too much time for you to eat on a work lunch break? A deluxe dinner. Exactly.
Round 2
Forfeited
Slowly we can see if Pro has a leg left to stand on...
Round 3
Forfeited
In my other debate with D&A you saw me annihilate him with 32-sourced mastery. Here you are seeing a different form of mastery.
Round 4
Forfeited
End of the fucking line!
You don't get why he gave up do you?
Hahahahaha, oh god you didn't see what I did. Read the sentence after what you wrote and then comprehend what I did. I turned his entire case into one of why the Chicago one is superior.
Full agreement with pro's R1 followed by no case for the Chicago being at least equal by any standard (to my knowledge, Scott Adkins is not a pizza... even if he would be the most complete pizza). You guessed accurately that pro would forfeit, so you got a free win. Enjoy it.
"For this Round, Con agrees with most of what Pro has suggested so far. The NY flimsy-crust is a good lunch-to-dinner ranked meal that's low quantity+quality of cheese and dough and low time-consuming to make, relative to the Chicago luscious alternative."
Go ahead, show me the concession.
R1.
I never conceded this debate not even once. Lol.
Alright, I understand. Sorry for the confusion
On this one due to one side forfeiting more than half the rounds (or is it half or more? Not sure the current moderation standard to call something an FF), they cannot be awarded the majority of the points.
Why anyone bothered to report your vote on this one, seems to be an act of pettiness.
As for Ram's vote, it's non-removal was explained in detail in comment #8.
You know what I'm not even mad anymore, I just won't vote anymore because each vote I put, no matter how decent I think it is, it gets deleted. I guess y'all value votes that are long essays (which I get and I understand since it must be in depth) but not all debates require this. In this debate, a simple, straight to the point vote would suffice -- unless you want people to elaborate on forfeits. While Pro did forfeit the rest of the debate, he is the only one who put an effort in his argument in R1. Con did not.
"unless the voter voted for the forfeiting side"
Well I voted for both sides. I voted for Pro (the side who forfeited) for convincing arguments, and I have a point to Con for conduct since he did not forfeit.
Ramshutu's vote somehow wasn't deleted when it 1. Wasn't even valid. 2. Must be bias since he is a mod as well. 3. When there is an opponent (Pro) who is the only one who makes an argument and forfeits the rest of the debates, whereas the other opponent (Con) makes little to no effort of an argument, while the rest of the responses each round are trollish things, I don't find it fair to vote "Con" and simply say Full forfeit.
I would like an explanation moving forward, thanks. It's just getting really annoying getting my votes deleted when they are honest votes. I knew this vote would get deleted.
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Vote Reported: King_8 // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 3 to pro for arguments 1 to con for conduct
RFD: Arguments | Pro is the only one who made an argument, which was a solid one.
Sources | Tied as neither opponent used any sources.
S&P | Both has equal spelling and grammar.
Conduct | Conduct goes to Con since Pro forfeited the rest of the debate.
Reason for mod action: Full forfeit debates are not moderated unless the voter voted for the forfeiting side, per the site voting policy guidelines. This vote is thus removed
The voter should review the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
The voter should also review this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/346?page=1&post_number=4
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Vote Reported: Ramshutu // Mod Action: Not Removed
Reason for mod action: Full forfeit debates are not moderated unless the voter voted for the forfeiting side, per the site voting policy guidelines. No moderation action is appropriate on this vote.
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It's a comical debate, it was supposed to be over the top
Dustandashes
You should stop using scenarios like that, and just state the reason.... because it's getting a bit ridiculous.
Deep dish style pizza is essentially a well filled with cheese and sauce, that is contained in a buttery crust. New York style pizza is the pizza most people are used to
I’ve got my lawn chair
Of course! Lol
Of course RM accepts it.
I don't know the difference.