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Role Playing debate, Alex Jones (Pro) VS Bernie Sanders (Con) on social democracy VS "Laissez Fair" capitalism

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After 6 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Sparrow

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Publication date: 05.01.2019 02:16PM
Last updated date: 05.15.2019 01:35AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

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Wrick-It-Ralph

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Round 1

Sparrow

05.03.2019 06:24PM

Pro

Howdy folks, it's your host Alex Jones, and you're listening to the absolute tip of the spear magnum opus of independent news journalism. Now I haven't even had my Bulletproof coffee this morning, and we let our guest try some Brain Force so I'm already at a disadvantage here. I'm not plugging folks, but please buy the products at infowarslife.com it really helps fund the operation, great 360 triple win deals folks.
But ANYWAY, I'm super excited about the guest we have on today, this is no doubt going to be a ground breaking interview. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Marxist, globalist, devil worshiper and child molester Bernie Sanders with us today.

Now senator, everyone with half a brain knows that capitalism has produced more wealth and abundance, the lowest poverty rates, just astounding levels of freedom and prosperity. Meanwhile in socialist countries like Venezuela and Nazi Germany the economy is always an absolute mess, the healthcare system, the education you name it.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/14525/5-statistics-showing-how-capitalism-solves-poverty-aaron-bandler

And and and and and it just makes no sense to me senator, why would you want to ruin economic freedom and prosperity?

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.04.2019 07:43AM

Con

Listen folks. The Billionaires and Trillionaires that run this country got all the money. The working class needs that money. We need to take that money and give it to the working class.

They got the healthcare, we need to take that healthcare and give it to the working class.

They got mansions. We need to take those mansions, and give them to the working class.

How many mansions does a person need?

I have been fighting for civil rights since your grandfather was in your great grandfather's scrotum.

Capitalism is alright, but only if we give the money to the working class.

Round 2

Sparrow

05.05.2019 10:45AM

Pro

So what you're saying is you want to raise taxes on the wealthy and give free stuff to the working class, but what you're not mentioning is that you also want to raise taxes on the working class. So when you say "capitalism is fine" you are basically saying "capitalism is fine as long as we don't have a free market" because you want to turn everything into a state run bureaucracy rather than a consensual transaction where at least people are allowed to vote with their dollar and choose what they want to spend money on. Your idea is to keep the working class poor by taxing them through their ass and out their nose but make them reliant on the state so that they never become entrepreneurs and they never rise above and surmount their current station in the class hierarchy and quite frankly I think that what you're doing is Satanic and Fascist.

Neo-Marxists like you are always talking about equality and how you just want to help the poor but you conveniently leave out the fact that you're promoting an ideology that has killed millions and resulted in CATASTROPHIC ECONOMIC MELTDOWNS every time it's implemented. What makes you any different from Hitler if you want the state to run everything?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT SANDERS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME? I AM GOING TO MUTILATE AND DISMEMBER YOU POLITICALLY

Excuse me, but it really pisses me off. Now I've been ranting and yelling, but I want you to tell me what is the ulterior motive, the the the....hidden agenda....the the the the the....I have a big vocabulary folks.

The POINT is, what is the part of your vision for America that you're NOT telling us?

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.05.2019 10:52AM

Con

Who said anything about taxes? no no no no no.

We take the money... and we move it around. Who needs all those mansions?

Round 3

Sparrow

05.07.2019 12:38AM

Pro

See, now you're lying Mr. Sanders and I DON'T LIKE LIARS GOD DAMN IT

YOU SIT HERE AND BITCH ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS BUT YOU'RE LYING TO THEM THROUGH YOUR TEETH, PROMISING THEM HANDOUTS WHILE YOU PLAN TO TAX THEM OUT THEIR ASS, AND NOW IM PISSED (slams on desk while screaming and then growls like a hound with rabies)

https://www.infowars.com/why-bernie-sanders-has-to-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class/

STOP BEING A BRAIN DEAD SOCIALIST, STOP LYING TO US, DONTDOITDONTDOITDONTDOIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (knocks over drink and microphone while screaming)

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.08.2019 01:35AM

Con

Whaa? Did someone Yell? I think I hard someone Yell? Whateva!!

So the people... need... Medical... Let's get some medicals on a plane and drop them on to the people *whispering* I mean off to the people. The rich need to pay their fair share. Which is ALL OF IT.

Who needs all those mansions?

Dr.Franklin

05.12.2019 07:45PM

#18

Funny

Dustandashes

05.12.2019 12:29AM

#17

This is the best debate I've ever seen.

I AM GOING TO MUTILATE YOU POLITICALLY

Alec

05.11.2019 09:40PM

#16

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@David

1st RFD:

Arguments: Sparrow

His opponent said that the rich don't need many mansions and that the rich should help reduce poverty by giving money to the poor with the government's help. He said that this wasn't a tax even though it is. Sparrow said that capitalism reduces poverty and anytime socialism has been tried, it fails. Con drops this point.

Sources: Sparrow. He cites the daily wire and info wars. They aren't reliable, but it's better then what Wrick It Ralph cited.

Spelling and Grammer: Wrick It Ralph. In Round 2, he used all caps. This is extremely poor spelling.

Conduct: Wrick it Ralph. Sparrow called him a fascist in round 2. This is poor conduct.

Is it good?

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.11.2019 05:16PM

#15

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@oromagi

Nice vote.

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.10.2019 05:38AM

#14

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@oromagi

I don't care and neither does debart, lol. Go nuts. This is a troll debate. Release your inner troll!!

oromagi

05.09.2019 06:42PM

#13

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@RationalMadman

@Wrick-It-Ralph

You'd be grumpy too if RatMan's debates had unexpectedly become a daily reading requirement. So- are we supposed to judge arguments, impersonation, both, or don't care?

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.09.2019 01:39PM

#12

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@RationalMadman

holy crap, you did say stalin.

RationalMadman

05.09.2019 01:02PM

#11

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Well this one time he was correct, I thought this was Hitler vs Stalin. He does have a grudge but it's a lot more to do with him than me.

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.09.2019 07:24AM

#10

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@RationalMadman

Man. I use to think you were being hyperbolic. But Ramshutu really is out to get you isn't he? What did you do to him to cause him to dedicate his life to downvoting you? Is that why he votes? Did he lose a debate to you and think "never again"

David

05.08.2019 07:19PM

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@Sparrow

this is a troll debate. Votes are not moderated.

RationalMadman

05.08.2019 07:11PM

I still think you didn't do a good alex jones one

RationalMadman

05.08.2019 07:11PM

OH YEAH this isn't your hitler vs stalin one, that's lame.

Sparrow

05.08.2019 07:10PM

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@David

@bsh1

Someone please remove RM's vote. He is talking about Stalin which has nothing to do with this debate. I was impersonating Alex Jones not Stalin.

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.04.2019 08:20PM

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@Alec

I think that's an overly simplistic assessment of how things went down. The guy who funds a business just because their dad left them some money did not earn as much the workers who built those companies on their backs. I'm not for the Bernie Sanders approach of taking all their money. But they get more than they deserve and they can have as much as they want as long as the workers get what they earned instead of the scraps that they tend to get now.

Alec

05.04.2019 08:12PM

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

The 1% got us through the industrial revolution. They continue to improve our lives drastically. They earned their money.

Wrick-It-Ralph

05.04.2019 08:07PM

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@Alec

First of all. I don't see how that's true. Second, it's a troll debate.

TheRealNihilist

05.04.2019 01:11PM

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@Sparrow

@Wrick-It-Ralph

What?
Alex Jones vs Bernie Sanders

Looks like both of you are trolling.

Alec

05.04.2019 12:21PM

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

If it wasn't for the 1%, we would be living like the Amish. They earned their money unless it's inheritance, which is rare.

Our_Boat_is_Right

05.13.2019 04:20AM

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Reason:

sparrow's was hella funny

Pinkfreud08

05.13.2019 03:12AM

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Reason:

Countering Ramshutu's poor vote bomb which doesn't explain why RM vote was poor.

Examining RM vote reveals it appears to be just, he explains he liked the impression better which is a probable reason to cast his vote.

Until Ramshutu explains how RM vote is poor, my counter will stand

Dustandashes

05.12.2019 12:31AM

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Reason:

This was such an entertaining debate, I think you both did really good impressions. I vote for pro because he nailed Alex Jones pretty spot on

oromagi

05.10.2019 05:31PM

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Reason:

I must tell you, Crazy Bernie, Crazy Bernie doesn't have a CLUE. Alex and me go way back. I have been on his show, Infowars, many, many times and you know they tell me those were the BEST ratings Alex has ever seen! So now Alex is talking about this thing that's called fair capitalism. Lazy fair capitalism. And you know I know everything there is to know about capitalism. Ask Dow Jones! Ask Steve Minoochin! I am the smartest, like, capitalism guy those guys know and they do capitalism all the time, all the time. But, you know Alex is a friend of mine and he's very, very smart and you know people tell me Crazy Bernie worships the DEVIL. Which, ok, you know, how do I know what a guy's doing but that's socialism in a NUTSHELL. socialism is very, very bad maybe even like Hitler bad. Many people do not know that Hitler was a socialist, total socialist, that guy. So on the one side you have FAIR capitalism and the other side you have HITLER and people like CRAZY Bernie and I tell you what I want to do what is FAIR and tell Bernie, now Bernie, you're fired.

Ramshutu

05.08.2019 03:59PM

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Reason:

CVB.

RationalMadman

05.08.2019 04:52AM

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Reason:

I liked the impersonation better, especially the ending. Stalin, despite swearing and brutally insulting, never raised his voice. This was a tendency that remains to this day a very quintessential quirk of his.