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prescription medication is poison
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TheRealNihilist
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Round 1
what i mean as poison a harmful substance meant to hurt someone
the word pharmakeai means
- the use or the administering of drugs
- poisoning
- sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
- metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
the word pharmakon means
from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation
the world health association uses a snake and staff as there symbol
pharmakeai was originally in the bible but it was translated to sorcery in later versions in the bible
pharmakeai was used in this quote
https://www.stillsmallvoicetriage.org/healing/is-taking-prescription-medicines-the-same-as-witchcraft-pharmakeia/
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/
most if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the case that the side effects are poison
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/
most if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the case that the side effects are poison
the
prescription dug Prozac which treats depression causes yellow skin and
eyes' thoughts of suicide 'and 120+ different thing. this drug helps
with depression. it is an anti depressant. but this is the most
hypercritical thing on the planet one of the side effects of taking
this prozac is depression. prozac is an anti depression. so it is sold
to people because it helps with depression then one of the side effect
of taking the pill is depression. so does it help with depression or
does it cause depression. these are not small side effect either here
is a small list blindness' blue-yellow color blindness' 'purple or red
spots on the skin' cool pale skin' yellow skin and eyes' thoughts of
suicide' 'trouble with breathing' etc
why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.
. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.
- Hives, itching, or skin rash
- inability to sit still
- restlessness
- Chills or fever
- joint or muscle pain
- Anxiety
- cold sweats
- confusion
- convulsions (seizures)
- cool pale skin
- diarrhea
- difficulty with concentration
- drowsiness
- dryness of the mouth
- excessive hunger
- fast or irregular heartbeat
- headache
- increased sweating
- increased thirst
- lack of energy
- mood or behavior changes
- overactive reflexes
- purple or red spots on the skin
- racing heartbeat
- shakiness or unsteady walk
- shivering or shaking
- talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity you cannot control
- trouble with breathing
- unusual or incomplete body or facial movements
- unusual tiredness or weakness
- Abdominal or stomach pain
- agitation
- back or leg pains
- bleeding gums
- blindness
- blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
- bloating
- blood in the urine or stools
- bloody, black or tarry stools
- blue-yellow color blindness
- blurred vision
- chest pain or discomfort
- clay-colored stools
- constipation
- continuing vomiting
- cough or dry cough
- dark urine
- decreased urine output
- decreased vision
- depression
- difficulty with breathing
- difficulty with swallowing
- dizziness or lightheadedness
- eye pain
- fainting
- fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse
- general body swelling
- high fever
- hives, itching, puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
- hostility
- indigestion
- irregular or slow heart rate
- irritability
- large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
- light-colored stools
- loss of appetite
- loss of bladder control
- muscle twitching
- nausea
- nightmares
- no blood pressure or pulse
- noisy breathing
- nosebleeds
- pain in the ankles or knees
- painful, red lumps under the skin, mostly on the legs
- pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
- pinpoint red spots on the skin
- rapid weight gain
- red or irritated eyes
- red skin lesions, often with a purple center
- redness, tenderness, itching, burning, or peeling of the skin
- severe muscle stiffness
- severe sleepiness
- slurred speech
- sore throat
- sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
- stopping of heart
- sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
- sudden weakness in the arms or legs
- sudden, severe chest pain
- swelling of the face, ankles, or hands
- swollen or painful glands
- thoughts of killing oneself
- tightness in the chest
- tiredness
- twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
- unconsciousness
- unpleasant breath odor
- unusual bleeding or bruising
- unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
- unusually pale skin
- use of extreme physical or emotional force
- vomiting of blood
- yellow eyes or skin
- Decreased appetite
- Abnormal dreams
- breast enlargement or pain
- change in sense of taste
- changes in vision
- feeling of warmth or heat
- flushing or redness of the skin, especially on face and neck
- frequent urination
- hair loss
- increased appetite
- increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight
- menstrual pain
- stomach cramps, gas, or pain
- unusual secretion of milk, in females
- weight loss
- yawning
- Cracks in the skin
- loss of heat from the body
- painful or prolonged erections of the penis
- scaly skin
- swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males
- unusual milk production
opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's
a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects
from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here
there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane
amounts of side effects
ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life
pharmacuticals are the 4th leading cause of death each year
is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs
pharma company started the opioid epidemic
look at the millions big pharma has given to politicians
here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga
and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the
genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you
or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and
hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.
i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebo
farxiga proven snake oil
fluoride in water
Nazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile during ww2.
conspiracy theorist then started claiming our us government is doing the same to us.
this
was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in
our water. but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.
pharmaceutical drugs in water
why do i bring this up. in tap water they are putting pharmaceutical drugs in our water and lets be real its not to help us.
3 antibiotics were found in our water
Chlortetracycline
Chloramphenicol
Erythromycin
the side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the water
antibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
that is not all they also put these pharmaceutical drugs in the water
Atenolol (a beta-blocker)
Carbamazepine (an anticonvulsant)
Gemfibrozil (an antilipidemic)
Meprobamate (an antianxiety medication)
Phenytoin (an anticonvulsant
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol
this drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising
side effects of atenolol.
Blurred vision
cold hands or feet
confusion
difficult or labored breathing
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
shortness of breath
sweating
tightness in chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
wheezing
Anxiety
chest pain or discomfort
chills
cold sweats
cough
dizziness or lightheadedness
fainting
fast heartbeat
leg pain
noisy breathing
slow or irregular heartbeat
sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
Bloody urine
decreased frequency or amount of urine
increased blood pressure
increased thirst
loss of appetite
lower back or side pain
nausea
swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
vomiting
weight gain
Black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blood in urine or stools
blurred or loss of vision
bone or joint pain
disturbed color perception
double vision
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
halos around lights
night blindness
overbright appearance of lights
paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
severe mood or mental changes
skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
swollen or painful glands
tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
tunnel vision
unusual behavior
unusual bleeding or bruising
Anxiety
coma
cool, pale skin
depression
dilated neck veins
extreme fatigue
headache
increased hunger
irregular breathing
nervousness
nightmares
seizures
shakiness
slurred speech
unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the water
lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.
our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.
what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water
I would like to mention the title of the debate and the reason why I accepted it. The title is "prescription medication is poison" and I accepted because no prescription medication is not poisonous. It does depend on the instigator's position on life and what is poisonous but as I read it he is talking about something else entirely.
pharmakeai
Pharmakeai is not prescription medication and by him defining the word to be poisonous by definition I would lose but this debate is about prescription medication not pharmakeai.
I will be giving reasons why prescription medication is not poisonous.
I believe prolonging someone's life is the right thing to do. There are some cases where the harm is greater than the worth of prolonging life but those cases are the exception not the rule.
Prescription medication is one such way in prolonging life. Most common use is to treat an illness which can make life painful or might result in death. A doctor in this day and age prescribes medicine which has a background in what he/she is talking about which gives him/her an idea of what is the best course of action for the individual. When doctors prescribe medication they in their mind with plenty of time spent in their field think that would help you the most.
I will be now stating flaw with the instigator's arguments.
the world health association uses a snake and staff as there symbol
Even if this was true this does not mean they give poisonous medication. A symbol on a logo does not mean the effect of what is connoted from that symbol will occur with those product they approve or sell. A snake also lays eggs do the members of the WHO do the same? No. This is cherry-picking to suit your narrative which doesn't make any sense. Your argument is that since they have a snake on their logo whatever they associate with would be poisonous. Am I poisonous for having some kind of association with them by defending them? No would be my answer.
why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.
The problem with this is that most of the side effects are listed as rare meaning it is not common or will happen to every single person who uses Fluoxetine.
opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30
This is another cherry-picking. I don't see how by having many side effects makes a product poisonous. This is the 3rd time you are claiming this without very much explanation. If your claim was there are side effect you would be right but you as the person who thinks prescription medication is poisonous must show how side effects are poisonous and likely to occur as well. They simply stated side effects not what is likely to occur.
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects
Even your own source disagrees with you. It states "potentially" not "know". Which means whatever explanation you gave based on that premise would be false because the premise is false.
ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life
Are you making the claim when you are misdiagnosed the doctor will not rectify it? Even if I give you this it does help your side. This debate is not about misdiagnosis.
pharmacuticals are the 4th leading cause of death each year
I have data which in 2014 states 75 percent of deaths can be attributed to 10 causes. 1) Heart disease 2) Cancer 3) Chronic lower respiratory disease 4) Accidents 5) Stroke 6) Alzheimer's disease 7) Diabetes 8) Influenza and pneumonia 9) Kidney disease 10) Suicide. None of these say due to pharmaceuticals and mine is a more reputable source of information which is Medical News Today
is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
Either you are saying Greek people have a tendency of being poisonous or you simply have no point and are plucking at straw. I will be going with the straws one because the other one is an extra-ordinary which you haven't backed up with evidence instead the dictionary definition.
in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds
You are basically making claims and stating an accusation as if you have the evidence to support such a claim.
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs
The page was not found therefore you made a claim without evidence.
pharma company started the opioid epidemic
Pharma corruption not pharma. It says it in the title. Corruption was the problem not the pharmaceutical industry. You could have said the system in place is definetely prone to corruption and a likely outcome as well but you didn't.
look at the millions big pharma has given to politicians
Taking money out of politics is a good thing. Still does not say how prescription medication is poisonous.
here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
Your link did not work so I can't verify this to be true.
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebofarxiga proven snake oil
Even if you are correct this is only one drug of many so you have only stated one drug to be poisonous not prescriptive medicine as a whole.
fluoride in waterNazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile during ww2.conspiracy theorist then started claiming our us government is doing the same to us.this was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in our water. but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.
Your claim about fluoride being harmful is incorrect if it has a small concentration. https://healthcare.utah.edu/the-scope/shows.php?shows=0_q8ha0ke0
Don't see why you compared it to Nazi Germany so I will dismiss that.
pharmaceutical drugs in waterwhy do i bring this up. in tap water they are putting pharmaceutical drugs in our water and lets be real its not to help us.
Even if this was true there is still plenty of other drugs that you have yet to say are harmful.
3 antibiotics were found in our waterChlortetracyclineChloramphenicolErythromycinthe side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the waterantibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
What if? So basically if this is in water the osteoporosis does happen often many people should have a hunched back. You have failed to provide examples of hunchback people who drank this water to become like they are. Even then you can't blame this on all pharmaceuticals.
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugsAtenololthis drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising
Atenolol is used to treat high blood pressure. That would be more of an issue than those side effects.
All his arguments boil down to cherry-picking data to suit his narrative. He barely put an explanation to his claims so I am left with what I got.
Round 2
im a herbalist i eat many strange plants most of these plants would interact with the medication from tap water. luckily i on my own well but still its pretty scary that i can die from just drinking water
and secondly pharmakeai and pharmakon do have meaning today we derive our pharma words from them. why would they do this.
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai
if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
https://www.yourdictionary.com/pharmaceutical
Origin of pharmaceutical
Origin of pharmaceutical
Late Latin pharmaceuticus from Classical Greek pharmakeutikos from pharmakeuein, to practice witchcraft, use medicine from pharmakon, a poison, medicine
if you look at the Merriam Webster dictionary
if you scroll down far enough you get this
and why would they put drugs in the water an 70 year old family member use to take atenolol so do you think it is safe to take other people medicine
since there no way that 25 medications would be put in the waters of America to help people it must be put in there to hurt people. i mean who puts estrogen from birth control pills in almost every well in America. how would the estrogen from birth control pills hep people. it can't thus it was put in there to hurt people
REbuttal
con said
this drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising
Atenolol is used to treat high blood pressure. That would be more of an issue than those side effects.
All his arguments boil down to cherry-picking data to suit his narrative. He barely put an explanation to his claims so I am left with what I got.
Round 2
firstly if someone has low blood pressure this would be dangerous. secondly you cut off the side effects and then say the benefits out way the cost.
so is having good blood pressure better than
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
plus there another 77 side effects to this drug i like how you cut this out
lets be real here it not worth the risk
and me cherry picking trust me bud you do not want me to go into the other side effects of the 25 different drugs in the water supply
i can not list the side effects of 25 different drugs,
there are estrogen from birth control pills which have been linked to many cancers
con said
You are basically making claims and stating an accusation as if you have the evidence to support such a claim.
i do have evidence
Pharma corruption not pharma. It says it in the title. Corruption was
the problem not the pharmaceutical industry. You could have said the
system in place is definitely prone to corruption and a likely outcome
as well but you didn't.
alright big pharma doing illegal things caused the opioid epidemic. that is just as bad. and the system in place even if we put i a better system these people seem to have one thin on there mind money
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here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
Your link did not work so I can't verify this to be true.
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebofarxiga proven snake oil
Even if you are
correct this is only one drug of many so you have only stated one drug
to be poisonous not prescriptive medicine as a whole.
firstly that link does work and its but one of many scandals.
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the side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the waterantibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
What
if? So basically if this is in water the osteoporosis does happen often
many people should have a hunched back. You have failed to provide
examples of hunchback people who drank this water to become like they
are. Even then you can't blame this on all pharmaceuticals.
firstly if someone got osteoporosis from the tap water. they would never be able to figure out that it was the antibiotics in the water that caused the osteoporosis instead it would be blamed on something like bad posture.
Your claim about fluoride being harmful is incorrect if it has a small concentration. https://healthcare.utah.edu/the-scope/shows.php?shows=0_q8ha0ke0
they go back and forth on this. its like the smoking situation first it is not harmful then its is harmful. its harmful man
fluoride is harmful. but this topic has become a mess
if it was so safe why did germany put it in the water of the jews. and why does puritywater.com sell filters to filter out fluride
con said
The problem with this is that most of the side effects are listed as
rare meaning it is not common or will happen to every single person who
uses Fluoxetine.
yes your are not bound to get all 120 side effects but you are bound to get a couple of them by the sheer amount of side effects there are.
con said
This is another cherry-picking. I don't see how by having many side
effects makes a product poisonous. This is the 3rd time you are claiming
this without very much explanation. If your claim was there are side
effect you would be right but you as the person who thinks prescription
medication is poisonous must show how side effects are poisonous and
likely to occur as well. They simply stated side effects not what is
likely to occur.
firstly these side effects have noting to do with what they are treating. so i take an antibiotic to kill germs and somehow my spine bends that has nothing to do with the disease im treating. that's like if i washed my hands with soap and the soap caused the bones in my feat to crack.
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects
Even
your own source disagrees with you. It states "potentially" not "know".
Which means whatever explanation you gave based on that premise would
be false because the premise is false.
i said there could be as many. which means there are almost 1 million possible misdiagnosis of adhd. do you now how many children use i can not pay attention in class as an excuse. and the dumb parents and teacher solution is to drug them up
con said
Are you making the claim when you are misdiagnosed the doctor will not
rectify it? Even if I give you this it does help your side. This debate
is not about misdiagnosis.
yes i am
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is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
Either
you are saying Greek people have a tendency of being poisonous or you
simply have no point and are plucking at straw. I will be going with the
straws one because the other one is an extra-ordinary which you haven't
backed up with evidence instead the dictionary definition.
no im saying if you look under the origins of a word it will show you that the word pharmaceutical was derived from pharmakon and pharmakon means poisioning with drugs and pharmaceutical just happens to be the number 4 killer in America
con said
I have data which in 2014 states 75 percent of deaths can be
attributed to 10 causes. 1) Heart disease 2) Cancer 3) Chronic lower
respiratory disease 4) Accidents 5) Stroke 6) Alzheimer's disease
7) Diabetes 8) Influenza and pneumonia 9) Kidney disease 10) Suicide.
None of these say due to pharmaceuticals and mine is a more reputable
source of information which is Medical News Today
this is talking about people dieing from a disease while big pharma is treating them. what i was saying the number 4thh reason people die is because of pharmaceutical not from a disease while there treating them them.
con said the link did not work. ok hereyou go prescription drugs more dangerouse than illegal ones
con said
Even if this was true there is still plenty of other drugs that you have yet to say are harmful
i can not list all 25 since that would take forever but because you insist
carbamazepine side effects
its common side effects does some pretty weird stuff with the eyes
- Blurred vision or double vision
- continuous back-and-forth eye movements
it to can cause yellow sin and eyes
pharmacutical drugs in water
im a herbalist i eat many strange plants most of these plants would interact with the medication from tap water. luckily i on my own well but still its pretty scary that i can die from just drinking water
Non-sequitur. This debate is not about anecdotes or something that you do wherever. It is about whether prescription medicine is poison. This does not even talk about it.
and secondly pharmakeai and pharmakon do have meaning today we derive our pharma words from them. why would they do this.
So since they are read similar or look similar now they are the same word? No both have different definitions therefore are different words. There are more ways words can be different but this is only thing I need to state in order it to be different.
pharmakos: a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
A prescription drug (also prescription medication or prescription medicine) is a pharmaceutical drug that legally requires a medical prescription to be dispensed
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai
As you can see from the definition the word means a different thing. It is originated from that word but it doesn't mean the same word.
if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
Origin doesn't mean the word still means the same. You haven't bridged that gap.
and why would they put drugs in the water an 70 year old family member use to take atenolol so do you think it is safe to take other people medicine
Evidence and is this a representation of the every-single prescription medicine?
since there no way that 25 medications would be put in the waters of America to help people it must be put in there to hurt people. i mean who puts estrogen from birth control pills in almost every well in America. how would the estrogen from birth control pills hep people. it can't thus it was put in there to hurt people
I am going to say the same thing again: Evidence and is this a representation of the every-single prescription medicine?
firstly if someone has low blood pressure this would be dangerous. secondly you cut off the side effects and then say the benefits out way the cost.
Drugs have side effects that do not always occur.
and me cherry picking trust me bud you do not want me to go into the other side effects of the 25 different drugs in the water supplyi can not list the side effects of 25 different drugs,
In order for you to actually win you would have to find testimonies or evidence of corporate leaders of prescription medicine stating this to be the case.
there are estrogen from birth control pills which have been linked to many cancers
Still does not help your case.
alright big pharma doing illegal things caused the opioid epidemic. that is just as bad. and the system in place even if we put i a better system these people seem to have one thin on there mind money
So it is the system at fault not the prescription medicine itself? So why is this debate not title the pharma industry is ruining prescription medicine?
firstly that link does work and its but one of many scandals.
You would have to show it to be deliberate or a testimony of them doing it on purpose.
fluoride is harmful. but this topic has become a mess
That was your fault for not clearly laying out what way this debate should go.
if it was so safe why did germany put it in the water of the jews. and why does puritywater.com sell filters to filter out fluridecon saidThe problem with this is that most of the side effects are listed as rare meaning it is not common or will happen to every single person who uses Fluoxetine.yes your are not bound to get all 120 side effects but you are bound to get a couple of them by the sheer amount of side effects there are.
Why is this now about Nazi Germany? Aren't we supposed to be talking about present prescription medicine?
firstly these side effects have noting to do with what they are treating. so i take an antibiotic to kill germs and somehow my spine bends that has nothing to do with the disease im treating. that's like if i washed my hands with soap and the soap caused the bones in my feat to crack.
Anecdotes so I don't see how this supports your side.
i said there could be as many. which means there are almost 1 million possible misdiagnosis of adhd. do you now how many children use i can not pay attention in class as an excuse. and the dumb parents and teacher solution is to drug them up
If this was true you would have a source to provide evidence for your claim.
Not the point of the debate since a misdiagnosis doesn't mean prescription medicine is poisonous.
no im saying if you look under the origins of a word it will show you that the word pharmaceutical was derived from pharmakon and pharmakon means poisioning with drugs and pharmaceutical just happens to be the number 4 killer in America
Origin of the word and how many deaths occur is not a reasonable link to be made. For one an origin of a word does not cause so your entire point does not help your side if you are creating a link based on that.
this is talking about people dieing from a disease while big pharma is treating them. what i was saying the number 4thh reason people die is because of pharmaceutical not from a disease while there treating them them.
Pharma is not prescription medicine so another case I found you are missing the point of the debate.
con said the link did not work. ok hereyou go prescription drugs more dangerouse than illegal ones
It states smoking to be a legal drug. The thing is it is not prescriptive medicine which means this point is a non-sequitur because a doctor does give you a cigarette to treat an illness you have.
i can not list all 25 since that would take forever but because you insist
I would rather have testimonies of the people in-charge if they are doing this purposefully.
Round 3
Forfeited
The instigator forfeited so I have nothing to respond to.
Yeah. It didn’t slow my reading of the debate down.
You can understand that?
If I have no problems reading and understanding what someone says, I mostly won’t award grammar. If someone’s grammar and sentence structure prevent me from reading the debate easily - that’s when I will award grammar points.
How did neither of you give Con grammar??
We are aware of the issue. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
“Wrick-It-Ralph copied your vote is that allowed?”
That would be a big no.
(tagging the moderators as I can no longer report the vote)
Wrick-It-Ralph copied your vote is that allowed?
Thanks for the vote.
You shouldn't really do that.
You should also remove the gaps in your arguments. That list was unnecessary as well.
2 days i have a habit of typing my stuff last minutes. i forfeited on 4 debates some not even on this site
For 3 days?
my internet died
alright
Actually that isn't what I meant. I meant these definitions:
"Poison: Any substance that can cause severe organ damage or death if ingested, breathed in, injected into the body or absorbed through the skin. Many substances that normally cause no problems, including water and most vitamins, can be poisonous if taken in excessive quantity. Poison treatment depends on the 'substance."
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11890
"1.0 A substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
1.1 Chemistry A substance that reduces the activity of a catalyst."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/poison
The capacity to do such harm in any quantity inherently allows you to define it as poisonous, at least in severely likely potential of any single side effect of any and all medicines.
and RationalMadman
i see what you mean
A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
n.
Something destructive or fatal.
n.
Chemistry & Physics A substance that inhibits another substance or a reaction: a catalyst poison.
https://ahdictionary.com/
alright what i mean for poison.and the made up definition i would use for the debate.
a harmful substances intended for harm. something meant to harm someone.
its funny that you speak of water my last argument in my other prescription medication debate goes into that. "by goes into that" i mean that the government has been putting pharmaceutical drugs and fluoride in tap water
Are you not aware who his opponent is in the other debate?
It's crossed, not tiwaz. Under the provided definition, water can be a poison
Yeah I am shocked tiwaz is even standing a chance in his other debate on this. The definition of poison makes this inherently true.
You need to define your terms. What does "poison" mean in this context?