5g internet is a death grid
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The biggest concern is how these new wavelengths will affect the skin. The human body has between two million to four million sweat ducts. Dr. Ben-Ishai of Hebrew University, Israel explains that our sweat ducts act like “an array of helical antennas when exposed to these wavelengths,” meaning that we become more conductive. A recent New York study which experimented with 60GHz waves stated that “the analyses of penetration depth show that more than 90% of the transmitted power is absorbed in the epidermis and dermis layer.”
The effects of MMWs as studied by Dr. Yael Stein of Hebrew University is said to also cause humans physical pain as our nociceptors flare up in recognition of the wave as a damaging stimuli. So we’re looking at possibilities of many skin diseases and cancer as well as physical pain to our skin.
Pro is the one making a profound claim, to which he needs to support with profound evidence (not YouTube opinions, and not the same conspiracy site repeatedly). I shall show why any evidence he does present is insufficient to prove his case.
Numbered prior to refuting pro's case, as it is my foundational counter case.
That NYC (or sections thereof) is not a post-apocalyptic wasteland, disproves the death-grid assertion.
No fatalities.
While they may be reviewing possibilities, they have yet to connect even one case of skin cancer to internet exposure.
2. Effects on the Eyes:
5th generation internet is not microwave ovens. Yes, experiments with humans in microwave ovens are fatal, but the lack of New Yorkers exploding has already proved there to be no valid comparison.
3. Effects on the Brain:
All that has been offered here is more fear mongering assertions. The primary site claims there's various studies, but said studies most often prove to be just more of its' own articles to sell people expensive doodads which will in no way improve their lives. I'm sorry pro fell for the scam of a snake-oil salesman, but his heavily plagiarized case implies that more than anything else.
new yorkers are probably feeling the effects they just have not tied there symptoms to the internet.
The resolutionThe resolution is that 5g internet is a death grid.
Pro goes to great lengths to show and explain how deadly 5g internet is due to the radio patterns.
Con points out that there doesn’t seem to have been a deadly outbreak in NYC where it has already been set up.
Con also points out the lack of cited evidence, reliance on YouTube videos rather than evidential sources, and the lack of any demonstrable fatalities.
Con argues that while there is the possibility, even the scientific data presented is not clear cut.
Pros remaining arguments are primarily just rehashes of the original points, or dismissing cons arguments and concerns.
There is very little, if any actually argument or evidence presented by pro: it mainly amounts to a number of unsubstantiated claims and accusations that are not tied together with justification, science or a cohesive argument.
Con on the other hand throws a large amount of doubt on this claim
Arguments to con.
Sources: pro relies heavily on YouTube videos, and blog posts - and provides no conclusive or concrete first hand data to the mix. The two groups “Ehsense” appears to be a largely advocacy organization rather than scientific, as does “ehtrust” which also appears to be run by a potentially discredited scientist according to Wikipedia’s. This grossly eroded pros warrant as a result.
Cons source however - is a citation of objective reality - effectively how can it be a death grid if it appears it’s already running without issue - using proof that it is actually installed without any apparent issues to demonstrate the resolution is false.
This clearly shows pros sources harm his point, and cons sources greatly establish his.
Sources to con.
Kiss my goddamn ass.
The resolutionThe resolution is that 5g internet is a death grid.
Pro goes to great lengths to show and explain how deadly 5g internet is due to the radio patterns.
Con points out that there doesn’t seem to have been a deadly outbreak in NYC where it has already been set up.
Con also points out the lack of cited evidence, reliance on YouTube videos rather than evidential sources, and the lack of any demonstrable fatalities.
Con argues that while there is the possibility, even the scientific data presented is not clear cut.
Pros remaining arguments are primarily just rehashes of the original points, or dismissing cons arguments and concerns.
There is very little, if any actually argument or evidence presented by pro: it mainly amounts to a number of unsubstantiated claims and accusations that are not tied together with justification, science or a cohesive argument.
Con on the other hand throws a large amount of doubt on this claim
Arguments to con.
Sources: pro relies heavily on YouTube videos, and blog posts - and provides no conclusive or concrete first hand data to the mix. The two groups “Ehsense” appears to be a largely advocacy organization rather than scientific, as does “ehtrust” which also appears to be run by a potentially discredited scientist according to Wikipedia’s. This grossly eroded pros warrant as a result.
Cons source however - is a citation of objective reality - effectively how can it be a death grid if it appears it’s already running without issue - using proof that it is actually installed without any apparent issues to demonstrate the resolution is false.
This clearly shows pros sources harm his point, and cons sources greatly establish his.
Sources to con.
Pro argues that 5G internet causes skin diseases, cancers and has “terrible effects” on the eyes. Pro admitted that he has no clue why 5G internet is doing this “5g screws with this in some terribly since way that i don't understand”. So, his argument basically boils down to “I don’t know why or how but 5G will harm you”. Conceding that one does not know what one is talking about severely harms the strength of one’s arguments, although that alone is not sufficient to refute them. Furthermore, he presented a document that was signed by more than 180 scientists and doctors which supports his case well, however he simply stated that it was a paper from “180 scientists” which is slightly deceptive by making the document sound more credible than it actually is.
Con refutes Pro’s case by pointing to NYC where 5G has been partly implemented but no harm has been reported. Pro counters by arguing that he is talking about 5G, rather than 4g,3g,2g,1g, etc. which suggests that he has misunderstood Con’s argument as he implied that 5G has been implemented in parts of NYC which he supported with a source which clearly supports this assertion: “5G Home Internet Is Now Live in New York City”. Due to this misunderstanding and no new arguments by Pro, Con extended his arguments.
Con’s argument is basically: If A then B, not B, thus not A. Which is perfectly valid and convincing. In his final round, Pro argued that the New Yorkers are probably feeling the side-effects of 5G but simply not linking those to 5G and that it may be due to the short time that it has been present in NYC. Con pointed out that we would still expect elevated doctor visists, etc and in the end this was enough for me to believe that Pro has not fulfilled his BoP. I think Con could have done better by providing some sources that found no statistically significant harm due to 5G but since Pro was unable to explain why 5G is harmful and instead relied on assertions backed up by sources without formulating arguments, arguments go to Con.
Con pointed out flaws in Pro’s sources (e.g. that his firefighter argument relied on an article by someone who is well known to make ludicrous claims such as that Nasa conceded that they never went to the moon) which thereby completely obliterated the credibility of the firefighter argument. Furthermore, the document signed by “180 scientists” was actually signed by 180 scientists and doctors (I went through the list of signees and many of them are MDs, retired and some even from completely unrelated fields such as theology). Thus, Pro’s sources are low in credibility, whereas Con’s sources have not been criticised by Pro and seem to support his case well. Additionally, Pro’s misunderstanding of one of the sources led to round 2 being wasted (the title of the source clearly states 5G, Pro’s reference to 4G, 3G, etc. are red-herrings. Thus sources clearly go to Con due to the quality of sources, the honesty in presenting these and as Con seems to have understood them, whereas Pro conceded that he is basically regurgitating his sources due to him not understanding them.
No serious conduct issues as the false presentation of one of Pro’s sources was quite possibly a mistake and thus penalised by awarding sources already, ergo even.
Lots of S&G errors from Pro but they did not seriously impede the legibility of the debate, thus even.
they launched 20 thousand satelight that blanket the entire planet in emf
http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/01/5g-roll-out-set-to-launch-20000-satellites-blanketing-earth-with-dangerous-microwave-radiation/
from article
"20,000 Satellites for 5G to be Launched Sending Focused Beams of Intense Microwave Radiation Over Entire Earth"
ridiculous, irrational. I note that there have been tens of reports of cell phone towers attacked and destroyed in the last few weeks, few having anything to with 5g.
COVID is everywhere, unlike the 5G.
What do people think about the covid19 is 5g internet conspiracy???I m not looking to debate the topic.Just wandering.
i mostly talk about pharmakeai. but denying 5g danger is denying facts
Not the weakest conspiracy theory I've disproven. Still, two pages handled with half a page, feels nice.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2018/12/5g-will-use-the-same-frequencies-as-pain-inflicting-military-weapon/
https://needtoknow.news/2018/06/will-5g-technology-bring-human-extinction/
https://youtu.be/ljLynbr5iPc
https://youtu.be/oq_oLG4FFXc
what do you mean?