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prescription medication is poison
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Round 1
i world like to thank con for taking this challenge.
the word pharmakeai means
- the use or the administering of drugs
- poisoning
- sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
- metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
the word pharmakon means
from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation
pharmakeai was originally in the bible but it was translated to sorcery in later versions in the bible
pharmakeai was used in this quote
Parallel Verses
And
the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the
voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all
in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy
sorceries were all nations deceived.
https://www.stillsmallvoicetriage.org/healing/is-taking-prescription-medicines-the-same-as-witchcraft-pharmakeia/
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/
most if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the case that the side effects are poison
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/
most if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the case that the side effects are poison
the
prescription dug Prozac which treats depression causes yellow skin and
eyes' thoughts of suicide 'and 120+ different thing. this drug helps
with depression. it is an anti depressant. but this is the most
hypercritical thing on the planet one of the side effects of taking
this prozac is depression. prozac is an anti depression. so it is sold
to people because it helps with depression then one of the side effect
of taking the pill is depression. so does it help with depression or
does it cause depression. these are not small side effect either here
is a small list blindness' blue-yellow color blindness' 'purple or red
spots on the skin' cool pale skin' yellow skin and eyes' thoughts of
suicide' 'trouble with breathing' etc
why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.
. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.
- Hives, itching, or skin rash
- inability to sit still
- restlessness
- Chills or fever
- joint or muscle pain
- Anxiety
- cold sweats
- confusion
- convulsions (seizures)
- cool pale skin
- diarrhea
- difficulty with concentration
- drowsiness
- dryness of the mouth
- excessive hunger
- fast or irregular heartbeat
- headache
- increased sweating
- increased thirst
- lack of energy
- mood or behavior changes
- overactive reflexes
- purple or red spots on the skin
- racing heartbeat
- shakiness or unsteady walk
- shivering or shaking
- talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity you cannot control
- trouble with breathing
- unusual or incomplete body or facial movements
- unusual tiredness or weakness
- Abdominal or stomach pain
- agitation
- back or leg pains
- bleeding gums
- blindness
- blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
- bloating
- blood in the urine or stools
- bloody, black or tarry stools
- blue-yellow color blindness
- blurred vision
- chest pain or discomfort
- clay-colored stools
- constipation
- continuing vomiting
- cough or dry cough
- dark urine
- decreased urine output
- decreased vision
- depression
- difficulty with breathing
- difficulty with swallowing
- dizziness or lightheadedness
- eye pain
- fainting
- fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse
- general body swelling
- high fever
- hives, itching, puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
- hostility
- indigestion
- irregular or slow heart rate
- irritability
- large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
- light-colored stools
- loss of appetite
- loss of bladder control
- muscle twitching
- nausea
- nightmares
- no blood pressure or pulse
- noisy breathing
- nosebleeds
- pain in the ankles or knees
- painful, red lumps under the skin, mostly on the legs
- pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
- pinpoint red spots on the skin
- rapid weight gain
- red or irritated eyes
- red skin lesions, often with a purple center
- redness, tenderness, itching, burning, or peeling of the skin
- severe muscle stiffness
- severe sleepiness
- slurred speech
- sore throat
- sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
- stopping of heart
- sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
- sudden weakness in the arms or legs
- sudden, severe chest pain
- swelling of the face, ankles, or hands
- swollen or painful glands
- thoughts of killing oneself
- tightness in the chest
- tiredness
- twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
- unconsciousness
- unpleasant breath odor
- unusual bleeding or bruising
- unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
- unusually pale skin
- use of extreme physical or emotional force
- vomiting of blood
- yellow eyes or skin
- Decreased appetite
- Abnormal dreams
- breast enlargement or pain
- change in sense of taste
- changes in vision
- feeling of warmth or heat
- flushing or redness of the skin, especially on face and neck
- frequent urination
- hair loss
- increased appetite
- increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight
- menstrual pain
- stomach cramps, gas, or pain
- unusual secretion of milk, in females
- weight loss
- yawning
- Cracks in the skin
- loss of heat from the body
- painful or prolonged erections of the penis
- scaly skin
- swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males
- unusual milk production
opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's
a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects
from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here
there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane
amounts of side effects
ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life
prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death each year
is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs
the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick
pharma company started the opioid epidemic
look at the millions big pharma has given to politicians
here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga
and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the
genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you
or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and
hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.
i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebo
farxiga proven snake oil
Definitions
- He also states all prescription medication has “tons of
side effects per pill,” and subsequently provides several examples with
extensive lists of their side effects.
- He states “almost 1 million children have potentially been
misdiagnosed with ADHD.”
- He states that is not a coincidence pharmaceutical was “created
off of the Greek pharma words” which means poisoning with drugs.
- He states over 100,000 yearly die in the US from taking
drugs.
- He states that pharma started the opioid epidemic.
I will focus my opening round on arguments for my case,
rather than refuting Pro’s.
- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm
and maintain homeostasis.
- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than
good.
- Medicine helps those that take it properly.
- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual,
immediate environment, and society as a whole.
Sources
(definitions)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/poison
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prescription%20drug
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32004L0027:EN:HTML - Article 1
Poison: “a substance that causes illness or death if
swallowed, absorbed, or breathed into the body.”
Prescription drug: “a drug that can be obtained only by
means of a physician's prescription”
Medication: “(a)
Any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for
treating or preventing disease in human beings; or
(b) Any
substance or combination of substances which may be used in or administered to
human beings either with a view to restoring, correcting or modifying
physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological, immunological or
metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis."
Summation of Pro’s argument(s)
- He beings by describing the etymology of the term ‘pharmakeai,’
stating it was also revised later to ‘sorcery.’ He provides several biblical
examples of this, accurate or not I’m not qualified to dispute such a claim.
Tell me if I am mischaracterizing anything above, I believe
this is a comprehensive and rational summary of your points.
Opening Arguments
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/poison
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prescription%20drug
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32004L0027:EN:HTML - Article 1
Round 2
firstly i would like to reclassify big pharm for what it is a drug cartel
they distribute drugs that kill people
prescription medication is the 4th leading cause of death in usa
people life are ruined through addiction with medication. just like crack cocaine
prescription medication is more dangerous than street drugs
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs
cons talking points
1I will focus my opening round on arguments for my case,
rather than refuting Pro’s.
2- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm
and maintain homeostasis.
3- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than
good.
4- Medicine helps those that take it properly.
5- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual,
immediate environment, and society as a whole.
REButtal
con said
2- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm
and maintain homeostasis.
REBUTTAL
doctors are easily bribed. the medicine they prescribe is based upon the free lunch that big pharma brings in to bribe them
article says
The doctors in the study had received some sort of benefit,
nearly all meals, worth $20 or less in which the four drugs were
discussed. Doctors frequently attend educational sessions at medical
meetings or get briefings over meals from drug representatives.
Those
who got four or more meals relating to the four drugs prescribed
Crestor nearly twice as often as doctors who didn’t get the free meal
doctor prescribe medication depending on who bought them lunch not what disease the person has
the drugs doctors prescribe\ depend on which drug company is sponsoring them.
con says
4- Medicine helps those that take it properly.
REBUTTAl
what about those people with ticks
they take there medicine properly they are considered saved by medicine. ticks happen to people who take lots of prescription medication.
what about all those good stay away from drug people who took prescription drugs and became drug attics
not a real example
this is just me generalizing not real case. soccer mom' mother of 7 'she a pta mom'. goes to church never did drugs in her life. her doctor prescribes the drug Vicodin. she becomes addicted she is now no better than someone who takes cocain. her life get ruined.
though im sure this is true in some cases the would have to have them work a little bit just enough to not get caught . i have not yet seen it. for example one of the substitute teachers at my school takes some drugs because he was told he needed them. and he shakes uncontrollably. kids make fun of him.
plus there has been the farxiga issue were people who take farxiga and or jardiance suffered from flesh eating of the genitals and or had there limbs amputated.
but then they were more study's done on the drug and the drug worked jut as good a a placebo
con said
3- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than
good.
i agree
5- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual,
immediate environment, and society as a whole.
i would like to point out the reason they lash out is because. the one giving them medicine is probably playing the im not crazy game with them. and i would not say that it harms the individual do people who stop taking there med die.
millions forget to take there meds. do you hear any cases of people suddenly die just because they missed a day of taking there meds
people who stop taking there medicine do so usually on 3 reasons.
its harming them.
and the practitioner is playing the I'm not crazy game with them.
or its to expensive.
millions of adults do not take there medicine because its to expensive.
do they suddenly die
are they dangerous
Forfeited
Round 3
fluoride in water
Nazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile during ww2.
conspiracy theorist then started claiming our us government is doing the same to us.
this was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in our water. but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.
pharmaceutical drugs in water
why do i bring this up. in tap water they are putting pharmaceutical drugs in our water
3 antibiotics were found in our water
Chlortetracycline
Chloramphenicol
Erythromycin
the side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the water
antibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
that is not all they also put these pharmaceutical drugs in the water
Atenolol (a beta-blocker)
Carbamazepine (an anticonvulsant)
Gemfibrozil (an antilipidemic)
Meprobamate (an antianxiety medication)
Phenytoin (an anticonvulsant
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol
this drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising
side effects of atenolol.
Blurred vision
cold hands or feet
confusion
difficult or labored breathing
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
shortness of breath
sweating
tightness in chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
wheezing
Anxiety
chest pain or discomfort
chills
cold sweats
cough
dizziness or lightheadedness
fainting
fast heartbeat
leg pain
noisy breathing
slow or irregular heartbeat
sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
Bloody urine
decreased frequency or amount of urine
increased blood pressure
increased thirst
loss of appetite
lower back or side pain
nausea
swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
vomiting
weight gain
Black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blood in urine or stools
blurred or loss of vision
bone or joint pain
disturbed color perception
double vision
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
halos around lights
night blindness
overbright appearance of lights
paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
severe mood or mental changes
skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
swollen or painful glands
tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
tunnel vision
unusual behavior
unusual bleeding or bruising
Anxiety
coma
cool, pale skin
depression
dilated neck veins
extreme fatigue
headache
increased hunger
irregular breathing
nervousness
nightmares
seizures
shakiness
slurred speech
unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the waterwater
lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.
our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.
what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water
Forfeited
Round 4
Forfeited
As much as it pains me to do it, I may as well waive the final round since he can't respond to a rebuttal.
I forfeit this round.
Who reported a vote? Lmao, this debate was clearly screwed up by a mistake made by myself.
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my internet died
It told me I had 10 hours to submit an argument, not sure I understand why it forfeited this but okay.
My computer broke and I forgot my password to this website, I am incredibly sorry and if you would prefer we could remake this debate.
Once again, they based it off of the other meaning, "the use or the administering of drugs."
from this we see that is not true
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pharmaceutical
its near the bottom
alright lts assume your right and the reason it effects every part of the body is because of the blood stream
what about antibiotics. there purpose is to kill bacteria. but somehow it ends up causing osteoporosis. aka it screws your spine up and gives you a hunch back.
surly eating a killing bacteria pill should not bend my spine even if the blood brings the drug to that spot of the body.
what if washing my hands and the soap got absorb through my skin and when in my bloodstream and caused the bones in my feat to crack.
killing bacteria in body has nothing to do with bending the spine. even if there the blood vessel bring the drug to the spine it should be useless.
can water bend your spine then why can our blood .
to bend your spine the blood drug would have to put pressure on the spine. and i think it would take more than just bacteria killers to do that they would have to physically add that in.what is the thing that kills bacteria acid
http://www.osteodigest.com/medications-that-cause-osteoporosis.html
the effects of having a babies or being stressed has nothing on pharmakeai
Many pharmaceuticals do have adverse side effects, but so does having a baby, or being stressed, and those aren't poisons.
Once again, they based it off of the other meaning, "the use or the administering of drugs."
See, side effects like that are why I don't support chemical drugs. But they do (generally speaking) help with the symptoms they're supposed to treat.
No chemical only does one thing, especially when it's ingested. It has to go through the entire bloodstream. Prozac isn't put in your brain directly, so it makes sense for it to have some effect elsewhere in the body.
"the effects of Prozac should only be in the head because that's were Prozac goes to treat depression"
Neither the drug nor your bloodstream can control where it goes. It just disseminates in the body. Prozac doesn't "go" anywhere specifically because your bloodstream is an unfiltered system.
then why did they derive there pharma words from words that mean poisioning with drugs
and read that long list of side effect out loud of prozac
and tell me how something that works inside the brain effects turns the eyes and skin yellow
Prozac effects chemicals in the brain to alleviate depression. so it would make sense for Prozac to have side effects in that part of the body. let say like a headache
the effects of Prozac should only be in the head because that's were Prozac goes to treat depression.but that is not were it goes Prozac effects the entire body it stops your heart causes yellow skin and eyes. so why does screwing with your dopamine receptors in any way cause yellow skin and eyes or stopping of the heart. lets say someone hits me with a base ball bat and my head starts bleeding. but because someone hit me with a baseball bat and my head starts bleeding my bones in my skeletal system turn to jelly. it makes no sense hitting me in the head with a baseball bad should not cause my bones to turn to jelly or bend my spine or cause all calcium to leave my body. screwing wit dopamine receptors should not turn my skin and eyes yellow.
And yet the same lifespan is estimated in early hunter-gatherers. They had shorter work days than the industrial worker in the 1800s, traveled enough to eliminate fecal waste, etc., as a factor of disease propagation, and had a balanced diet. It is true that they didn't have soap or hygiene, but they still lived to be 30-40. The main trend in periods between whenever humanity started and the late 1800s was a lack of formalized medicinal research, in other words, pharmaceuticals. I disagree with some things pharmaceuticals do, such as using lab-made chemicals rather than natural herbs, etc., but they aren't actively trying to poison us. They are trying to keep humans alive.
the reason why the average lifespan of humans was 30 through 40 during the 1800s and very early 1900s was not because they had bad medicine. but because they worked themselves to death and there living conditions were terrible. i would make the claim that sanitation had more of as role.
i know that it is stated as fact that medicine played a role in it but i disagree because i do not think that lack of medicine was the cause of people only living to 30. it was more how they lived people
https://www.verywellhealth.com/longevity-throughout-history-2224054
The only connection is that the Greeks influenced the Romans who influenced Europe. And a word can have multiple meanings. It is quite obvious that pharmaceutical derives from the first meaning you provided, "the use or the administering of drugs." In case you didn't notice, the average lifespan has increased dramatically since the introduction of pharmaceutical drugs, like penicillin.
pharmakeai pharmakon are greek words which means poisoning with drugs.
we derive the word pharmaceutical from them.
they also use the greek symbols staff of Hermes and Rod of Asclepius which depicts snakes on a stick as there symbol.
they are both Greek thus there must be a connection. i was already aware of its history i debate this topic on other forums.
Tiwaz
don't worry
"the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick"
This refers to the Rod of Asclepius in Greek mythology. Asclepius was a god associated with healing and medicine.
Furthermore, medical developments in the 20th and 21st century have shown that antivenins can be produced from snake venoms, as well as anticoagulants and other drugs.
there's just all kinds of ways this could go horribly wrong for either side.
I apologize, I wrote the first round in an external text editor. It corrected one of my words to "absolve," rather than "resolve".
k good luck
the verse about pharmakeai is on topic. thus no reason not to use it.
I will post my argument in a few hours or tomorrow, depending on my schedule. I ask that you focus more on the actual debate topic than biblical pretext.
this is one of my favorite debate topics