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#6017

The Biggest Cause of the Civil War was Slavery

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Just a fun little history debate to give me an excuse to talk about nerdy history stuff

Disclaimer: Please note the use of the word "biggest" in the title. I've learned my lesson, and I will not be using ambiguous terms like "main".

Round 1
Pro
#1
I Quote from Article 4 section 3 of the confederate constitution,

"No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due" 

I Quote from Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens in his cornerstone address,

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the n*gro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."
 These quotes aren't the entirety of my argument, but they demonstrate the point I'm trying to make. Many confederate leaders openly said the war was about slavery. 

To step back a bit, let's trace the cause of the war back from its first shots at fort Sumter.[1] For a brief recap, after southern secession, the union still held on to a lot of federal forts in the south. At Sumter, Robert Anderson refused to give up the fort and was forced to cede it after a short artillery barrage from the confederates marking the first shots of the war. Lincoln is then forced to declare war.

Now let's follow this train of events back to its heart. Lincoln declares war because the confederates shot on fort Sumter, because the Confederates didn't want the Union having a military presence in their territory, because they wanted their sovereignty and separation from the union, because they wanted the right to practice slavery.  Now I recognize that in the early days of the war, Lincoln's true motivation was keeping the union together, and the emancipation proclamation was a strategic war time move, but while it can be disputed, I believe the confederates were the aggressor. Think about it this way, if the north had changed their actions, the war may have been prevented, but if the south had changed course the war would have 100% been avoided. In that case, the only motives we really need to take into account are the motives of the aggressor, which are slavery.

Is it really a coincidence that every seceding state practiced slavery? Is it really a coincidence that the south seceded when a president was elected who was supposedly going to take their slaves? Is it really a coincidence that the civil war was at the head of decades of culmination about the issue of slavery?

The states rights issue had come up before, but those incidents had almost nothing to to with the civil war. In this specific event, the state right in question was slavery, and almost nothing else. If other rights were in question, they were minimal at most. You can see this by the fact that all the states broke away all practiced slavery. It’s improbable that it’s just a coincidence that all states of the confederacy had slavery. 

While other issues were at play, slavery was the biggest one. States rights conflicts before were along different geographical lines, and had nothing to do with this specific conflict.

To close, I'd like to half-make a joke, and half offer a real question. Whenever I hear someone say that the civil war was about state rights, my automatic response is "A states right to do what?". So that's my question to you. If you choose to go the "states rights" route with your argument, what was the specific state right in question?



Con
#2
(Decided not to forfeit, at least this way the game counts towards me being able to do more debates on this site)
Maybe that was what the leaders want, but you can't fight a war without soldiers, and thus one could argue that the reason the soldiers are fighting is the real biggest cause.
If only people that had slaves and wanted to keep them fought, there wouldn't be enough soldier for a war.
Also, you asked a states right to what, well, the right to split off from the country.

Round 2
Pro
#3
Maybe that was what the leaders want, but you can't fight a war without soldiers, and thus one could argue that the reason the soldiers are fighting is the real biggest cause.
Well this is a leaders vs. Doers kinda debate. Even though the autoworkers make the cars, there wouldn’t even be a factory without the higher ups at GM and the executives. The soldiers fought the war, but there wouldn’t be a war to fight or an army to join without the leaders. Nationalism is often used to spur people to war, but that doesn’t mean it’s the direct cause of the war. Why would do many fight in the American revolution if the taxes imposed by the British mainly affected wealthy merchants? Why did do many British sign up to fight in WW1 when they didn’t care at all about Franz Ferdinand at all? The list goes on.

Also, you asked a states right to what, well, the right to split off from the country.
Well why did they want to split off from a country? It’s just kicking the can down the road while getting nowhere and avoiding the answer of slavery.

Thanks for participating in this debate anyways, I yield the floor.
Con
#4
Forfeited
Round 3
Pro
#5
Thanks for the debate Con!

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