I am more likable of a debater than you are

I would first like to thank AnonYmous_Icon for joining me in this experimental debate. You are a brave soul. 

I often think about how debates are sometimes not decided on the merits of the logical arguments alone, but are decided because of the cognitive biases at play that make the audience emotionally like a debater more. They vote for the debater they like more and then they post hoc justify their decision to do so with fake logical reasons... So this may be the first intellectually honest debate in a way.

Thank you for calling me "Son of Socrates." Being called anything related to Socrates is the biggest honor for me because of what a master he was at making people question what they really knew for the first time. And Hence my username!

You seem like a nice person, so I appreciate the venerability and I also like learning a bit about the real you. :) 

I resonate with what you said about school. Sometimes school is not about really learning or about stoking our natural flame of curiosity about the world, but can be very classist and about pedigree.

I find it very unsettling how there seems to be this competition for rich people to put their child in the nicest elementary school that their money can afford, and I do think that this gives them an edge against their peers, but at the same time it can perpetuate generational poverty cycles where the poor does not have access to as good educational opportunities as the rich. 

It is for this reason that I decided to start a non-profit that is dedicated to closing the educational poverty gap. Founding a non-profit has not been easy, but I find the work to be very rewarding because we help provide free spaces to learn outside of traditional educational centers where there is a cost barrier. 

I will always be that little kid who was rejected in the first grade by the traditional educational system, so in a way, I created a space for other first graders with neurodiversity -- a space where they will be rewarded by their divergent thinking rather than being chastised. I hope to one day see a little kid walk into the space I've created with wonder in his eye, and in them I will see apart of myself, but also I hope they will become so much more! 

yeah its   cool    Socrates_had_a_baby

haha

if  u  make  a space    for learning    ,   i know  u  don't   put  age limit   for anyone to  learn   there

 I hope to one day    little kid( human )  that    u    c    into   ur  learning  space that u've  created with wonder in his eye  is    AnonYmous_Icon

i'm   the  one who   know  less  about truth  than everyone   and who  need  to  know  about  truth    more than  everyone

Bad school   and good teacher   is a blessing      but i  learn from  both       from   enemies and  friends

bad school is   this world    and   good  teacher ,     is  everyone   who teach  me 

bad  school is  the father   and  good  teacher  is the mother     but    both  r  nessary      to give birth   to       virtue     

there's   father and mother     but   virtue  is  struggling   to  be  happend      

Son of Socrates, I have to give it to you—you speak in riddles, but there’s something beautiful about them. You weave wisdom into your words like a philosopher from another era, and I respect that.

I also appreciate your faith in my learning space. And you’re right—there is no age limit on learning. If you walked into the space I created, I wouldn’t see just a student, but a fellow seeker of truth. I believe that the modern school system has been built fundamentally on a mistake, and that is to design classrooms around age groups rather than ability. The current school system uniformly teaches an age group at the same level of difficulty with no reference to the kids that make up the composition of the classroom. Because of the fact that a random sample of kids all of a certain age will have widely different natural capacities, and the teacher can only lecture on one level at a time, some kids are going to be able to grow (the ones up to par) and some kids are going to fall behind. Now this doesn't mean that the school systems should only make classes filled with kids that are already doing great, but it does mean we should have more opportunities for leaning environments that are for advanced placement and that make room for children to advance up the levels allow so they can progress at their own rate rather than at the rate of their age. And then there will be other classrooms at lower levels that stay with students even though they are having difficulty with a subject, and these classrooms come underneath them and support them where they are at, and give them the attention they need, rather then just ignoring them and focusing on the more gifted students like in a mixed classroom. 

This debate has turned more into a space to think about the modern school system, but I like that it is giving us the opportunity to share and think, and you are learning more about what I am passionate about - the modern educational system.  

i  start from where u start  

U  r   the spirit   who   abandoned   by   teachers   of  world   and   adopted  by    teacher  who  brought    u to this world  , i know  u love ur teachers 

I'm  , who   adopted  by  every teacher   but i  abandoned  them ,  everyone is Plato  and  i'm the Aristotle     , i respect them before i know them 

We  r  both  liars  , haha  but we don't afraid to   say ,   we   r liars   , who  r the  seekers of   truth   

maybe  we  abandoned each other     like    Athens and  Socrates 

but its true 

students  of Socrates   still come  to rescue   Socrates from death , becoz they  don't  like   Socrates   to left them   

now  what  u want  to be  , like  Athens  or  Aristotle  or     AnonYmous_Icon    learn from  teachers     but after all  abandoned     them   or   like  Students of Socrates , who learn from teacher  but don't like to abandoned them

i think  we  r diff  , u never abandoned  ur teachers , u love them  but i do  not  do that , haha

I must admit, I wasn't sure where this debate would go, given its experimental nature. I thought it might turn into a competition to obsequiously placate the audience, but I didn’t expect it to become something much sweeter and more innocent—the shared experience of being failed by the traditional educational system and our attempt to rekindle our intellectual enrichment through autodidacticism, as well as the challenge of DebateArt itself.

I appreciate your comparison of our epic quest to Socrates' death. Socrates was famously put on trial in 399 BCE, charged with "corrupting the youth." He challenged conventional wisdom and authority through his method of questioning, teaching young Athenians to question their elders, political leaders, and even religious traditions—an act seen as subversive. Yet, this subversiveness was driven by his quest for absolute truth, independent of merely winning debates, as the Sophists were concerned with.

Perhaps, in our culture, we value being perceived as intelligent more than we value adopting a posture of humility—being willing to get things wrong and ask "stupid" questions in pursuit of what is truly real, as Socrates did.

May we die like Socrates in this quest, brother, rather than merely try to win a debate. :)

that's cool  ending   of   great stories  where    hero  is the one  who  die  for   greater   good.  

but 

even he  lose the debate of life  instead  of truth

u  as  a   son of Socrates    even   win the      debate    but  u  r still alive 

that's    maybe   not   the ending of story , i think