Instigator / Pro
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Topic
#5717
America is responsible for 9/11
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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Better sources
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Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...
Swisse
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- One week
- Max argument characters
- 10,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
4
1500
rating
9
debates
44.44%
won
Description
We r all rational gladiators America is not our enemy or friend , Hail America the boneless
Round 1
Pro
#1
As I see that my opponent and ally already predict my point of attacks and defenses that encourage me to change the mode and ways of attack and defense . Hhaha
Its good , for now to display and define the coin and after it I represent the both sides of coin :
FBI issued 216 threat warnings by al Qaeda , while NASA reported 33 intercepts r possible,
But the badness is that President J. Bush not taking these threat seriously and ignored. And at last
September 11 2001 , that bad is happened. (source : book Descent into Chaos by Ahmed Rashid)
9 September 2001 four plane hijacked two of them hit Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, one by one ( when first plane hit the news is that plane accident happened but exact after some time, when second plane repeat the accident , then at that everyone know that its attack not a accident ) .
I tell u one more pic in-side the coin , about first plane :Flight 11 , 8:24 AM" Mohammad Atta-Hijacker (head of attack according to USA) ,He took the positions of pilot after kill actual pilots of plane ,After it he told something to passenger (like speech of victory)During it by mistake he press buttons due to which plane connectedto the Airport Tower of NY.Atta : We have some planes. Just stay quiet and we'll be Okay.We r returning to the AirportAfter listening that, management of Airport confused that what is that,Exactly after some time , Mohammad Atta repeat the mistake.Atta : Nobody Move, Please .We r going back to Airport.Don't try to make any stupid Moves. "Nobody Move, Please......... (so calm and cool these words r , so rich to hear by hijacker who going to kill civilians and plane's passengers)
That's sirens of first attack , after some moments flight 11 fiercely huge with Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.
The third hijacked plane moves towards Washington DC and succeeded in striking the Pentagon.
But the miracle is that forth hijacked plane move towards the Washington DC , but due to some reason plane crashed in unpopulated area .
( two theories is about it , that plane destroy by American Air Force on the order of state or destroyed in result of passengers and hijackers conflict in the plane , becoz passengers know that hijackers r liar they crashed the plane with some building , passengers know all these things when they contact by phone to earth , so they decided to fight and take the control of plane)
(9/11 story that i represent to u is from standard international platforms , especially American news ........., Al-Jazeera )
Shortly , after 3:00 pm on September 11 2001 , Tenet told President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported. (source: Book name Directorate S by Steve Coil chapter 2)
What the hell :
American state and J. Bush say that Osama Bin Laden (head of Al-Qaida ) is responsible and master-mind of attack and ordered to Afghan-Taliban to deliver the Osama to them. When Taliban say first of all we all need to understand , resolve and clear the misconceptions of the problem by negotiation and we also need proof that Osama is involved in 9/11 attack becoz without confirmation , its against our Grace and traditions to deliver our guest to others. But as u know America is great and Taliban is inferior uncivilized animals for America and west , by the way on that response of Taliban America declare war on Afghanistan.
As u see that spot of 9/11 that u listen by j. bush and American state is nothing but red herring they hide something from their own People and from the world. But today whole the world accept that directly or indirectly American State is responsible for 9/11.
Extra :
History rise some Questions that :
Who is Osama bin Laden ?
Who is Al-Qaida ?
Who is Taliban's Afghanistan?
Role of Pakistan (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)
Who is America ?
What are Armed making companies of America ?
What exactly attackers and Muhammad Atta's background ?
Friendship and relations of Osama bin Laden , Taliban , Al-Qaeda , and USA at the times of Soviet–Afghan War
Soviet–Afghan War Ended 1989 , Al-Qaeda founded in 1988
All the clues loudly say, America is responsible for 9/11
Con
#2
Wow... that was extraordinary difficult to read and made no sense at all.
In the spirit of a good debate, I've reread it multiple times and fed it to ai to try to make sense of it.
I got a VERY rough idea of your points; however this was a lot of work, and I ask that next time you write legibly.
Since I don't understand you for this argument, I'm simply going to point out a couple of the vast inconstancies and falsehoods.
"Nobody Move, Please......... (so calm and cool these words r , so rich to hear by hijacker who going to kill civilians and plane's passengers)"
Mohamed struggled with deep and constant suicidal thoughts, however due to his religious views he could not kill himself. His speech alluded to a sense of joy and happiness that he was able to die and still go to his heaven, that is why he was calm and collected, not because he was some super-secret FBI operative like you claim.
"(9/11 story that i represent to u is from standard international platforms , especially American news ........., Al-Jazeera )"
Al-Jazeera is 100% entirely owned and funded by the state of Qatar. Every single cent, and all commands, came from the government. In no way is Al-Jazeera an American news website and therefore this whole point is built under false pretenses.
"Shortly , after 3:00 pm on September 11 2001 , Tenet told President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported. (source: Book name Directorate S by Steve Coil chapter 2)"
This was the most interesting point because Directorate S is a book about the Russian illegals and US-Russo espionage. It is NOT about 9/11 and only very briefly touches on the middle east. Secondly the C.I.A director died before the book was written so I am confused how he reported classified information from beyond the grave.
Lastly these questions make no sense?
"Who is Osama bin Laden ?
Who is Al-Qaida ?
Who is Taliban's Afghanistan?
Role of Pakistan (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)
Who is America ?
What are Armed making companies of America ?
What exactly attackers and Muhammad Atta's background ?"
Who is America? That isn't a question, and the rest of these question are questions I'd expect to see on the back of a worksheet in middle school history class.
In conclusion the burden of proof is on YOU and you either made this up or do not understand the topic at all.
Please put more effort in for the next one!
Round 2
Pro
#3
My Honorable opponent , I define 9/11 to u , but i see u don't study 9/11 from independent resources , u study the high school books same like me when I'm child.
i see in many debates , even both pro and con are very educated and well debaters but , sometimes when con have nothing to prove their pov then they trying to attack on pro's logical and rational statements without any rational reasons. And u do same.
let's f* on that badness.
haha
lets do something joyful :
1.
" Atta Muhammad : Nobody Move, Please......... (so calm and cool these words r , so rich to hear by hijacker who going to kill civilians and plane's passengers)"My nice opponent (Swisse) : "Mohamed struggled with deep and constant suicidal thoughts, however due to his religious views he could not kill himself. His speech alluded to a sense of joy and happiness that he was able to die and still go to his heaven, that is why he was calm and collected, not because he was some super-secret FBI operative like you claim. "I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) : My holy opponent , first thing is that Islam ( religion that Atta Mohammad belongs from , According to USA ), if u study Islam u never say that , and secondly i don't claim Mohammad Atta was super-secret FBI operative. U make false arguments about mine statement.
2.
"(9/11 story that i represent to u is from standard international platforms , especially American news ........., Al-Jazeera )"My nice opponent (Swisse) : " Al-Jazeera is 100% entirely owned and funded by the state of Qatar. Every single cent, and all commands, came from the government. In no way is Al-Jazeera an American news website and therefore this whole point is built under false pretenses. "I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) : " haha u need to re-read my statement that at the end of story 9/11 i tell u about resources i use to make it : American News , Al- Jazeera.I say that becoz American News is always in favor of their own state and mostly they never tell truth that is against America , if u see America news on regular basis , u know it much better than me.Al-Jazeera , is most eligible than American news platforms , its true that Al-Jazeera is qatar based , but my dear Al-Jazeera English is really good and based on true news , u never see that Al-Jazeera is in favor of China , Russia or USA and Qatar is world recognized friendly state , from USA to Taliban , Extremists to Secular , from most developed to third world countries all believe in Qatar , haha its reality my dear . The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord, in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan. So i hope u understand the soft power and stand of Qatar in international community and as well as Al-Jazeera.i think u don't understand what i say that's why u say that my whole point is built under false pretenses.
3.
"Shortly , after 3:00 pm on September 11 2001 , Tenet told President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported. (source: Book name Directorate S by Steve Coil chapter 2)"My nice opponent (Swisse) :" This was the most interesting point because Directorate S is a book about the Russian illegals and US-Russo espionage. It is NOT about 9/11 and only very briefly touches on the middle east. Secondly the C.I.A director died before the book was written so I am confused how he reported classified information from beyond the grave ".I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) : Directorate S is a book that tells the inside story of U.S. intelligence, military and diplomatic efforts to defeat Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan since 9/11. Secondly , my dear opponent ! C.I.A director reported the report , he is not the author or writer of book.but i consider one more source for u to determine that i not told false thing .At around 9:30 pm ( 3:00 pm time difference but date is still same so ignore time difference ) on September 11, 2001, George Tenet, director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), told President George W. Bush and U.S. senior officials that the CIA's Counterterrorism Center had determined that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were responsible for the September 11 attacks. ( Source : Responsibility for the September 11 attacks )
4.
My nice opponent (Swisse) :" Lastly these questions make no sense?"Who is Osama bin Laden ?Who is Al-Qaida ?Who is Taliban's Afghanistan?Role of Pakistan (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)Who is America ?What are Armed making companies of America ?What exactly attackers and Muhammad Atta's background ? "I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) : i give u puzzle to understand reality of 9/11 but u don't understand i explain it in soon , but u say that these not make any sense , hahathat u say but that r the things that r very important to understand the 9/11 and reasons behind 9/11.
i give the answer of all the questions and statements that u raise.
u know in previous round u say to me that :" In conclusion the burden of proof is on YOU and you either made this up or do not understand the topic at all.Please put more effort in for the next one! "now i say to u that :"I get what u say to me , now apply all the things that u say to me on your own-self"
i tell u my next moves , in next round i try to represent both sides of 9/11 and conclude it in rational way . haha , i hope ur next attack is very fierce.
Con
#4
I wish to briefly state that there are two books named directorate S and all points I made regarding that are false, sorry.
Moving onwards,
"My holy opponent , first thing is that Islam ( religion that Atta Mohammad belongs from , According to USA ), if u study Islam u never say that , and secondly i don't claim Mohammad Atta was super-secret FBI operative. U make false arguments about mine statement. "
Islam MOST defiantly is against suicide of any form: Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever throws himself down from a mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever drinks poison and kills himself will be sipping it in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron will have that iron in his hand, thrusting it into his belly in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari (5442) and Muslim (109).
However, death in a battle for islam (Ie, a jihad) is exultad and seen as the best way to die. Mohammad Atta, who was a devout Muslim, would only crash those planes (and by extension kill himself) if he truly believed he was fighting for God. Mohammad Atta had NOTHING other than Al-Queda and his God, and therefore any theory other than a jihadist death makes very little sense as he had no other agenda. Secondly, I do not seriously claim he was a super-secret FBI operative, it was sarcasm, however the grander idea that the US knew about the 9/11 attacks or had anything to do this planning them is absurd.
haha u need to re-read my statement that at the end of story 9/11 i tell u about resources i use to make it : American News , Al- Jazeera.I say that becoz American News is always in favor of their own state and mostly they never tell truth that is against America , if u see America news on regular basis , u know it much better than me.Al-Jazeera , is most eligible than American news platforms , its true that Al-Jazeera is qatar based , but my dear Al-Jazeera English is really good and based on true news , u never see that Al-Jazeera is in favor of China , Russia or USA and Qatar is world recognized friendly state , from USA to Taliban , Extremists to Secular , from most developed to third world countries all believe in Qatar , haha its reality my dear . The Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord, in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan. So i hope u understand the soft power and stand of Qatar in international community and as well as Al-Jazeera.i think u don't understand what i say that's why u say that my whole point is built under false pretenses.
I personally disagree that Al-Jazeera is a trusted new source, however that is irrelevant for this debate (maybe a good next debate). While everyone agrees American news channels usually kinder to America, a story like THE US GOVERMENT PLANS TERROIST ATTACK THAT KILLS THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS would be reported no matter what, and not to mention that internation news sources would eat it up. This is my main basis for the argument that 9/11 was caused and went down almost exactly how the media reports it. It would be so indescribably difficult to stage a massive terrorist attack in the middle of NEW YORK. Thousands would have to be involved and there would be a billion variables from needing to inform the TSA to let these terrorists through, to making sure there were no air marshals onboard, or making sure the planes didn't overshoot by even a second and not destroying the pentagon. The variables would be impossible to manage and the fact that there haven't been any death bed confessions or anonymous tips about their participation in the staging of 9/11 proves that it was in fact a terrorist attack.
I feel I must clarify, I am NOT arguing that 9/11 didn't help America, it DID however I do not believe that America had anything to do with the planning or execution of 9/11.
Thank you for listening.
Ps I am curious about what you believed happened during 9/11.
Round 3
Pro
#5
I apricate u that u accept ur mistake , its pleasure for me to tell the truth that i know by ur grace.
my honorable opponent the second thing is that u say and prove that Islam is totally against sucide, that's ture i agree.
but some point that is need to display whole pic and all side of coin:
can i know where is Jihad , or Jihadist before f* America ?(America support Taliban , Osama , Innocent Muslims from all over and encourage them for fight , train them , weaponized them against Soviet Union )
i just like to justify that Islam is a peaceful religion among other religions , which is very good at that times of 7 century. but if someone in today's modern age sell their propaganda on name of God and trying to sell religion or do something bad and then say i'm good then it doesn't mean that person is good, that person is bad. If some Christian , Jew , Muslim , Hindu , Budish.... do bad , it doesn't means Christianity , Islam, Hinduism , Buddhism ..... is bad, never ever if someone do bad then that person is bad.
And now i display u all sides/theories about 9/11 , that who is responsible according to standard sources .
First theory : American state is really bad. they cross every line to do what they want, it doesn't matter who become victim of their bad things.
American war making companies r considered as the most profitable and horrible reality in America which work like a virus , As America is a capitalist state which is monopolized by rich peoples , who do every thing for making money , even if u know about history of America u see that capitalism play very important role to make America stronge but at the same time America face fierce realities of it. If u hear about Gun-industries of America u get shocked.
Gun Violence by the Numbers:
Annual Gun Deaths: 48,204 (2022)
Daily Gun Deaths: 132 (2022)
Children and Teens Killed: 2,526 (2022)
Even u know that recently Trump is shooed by the Gun , which gun is legalized for buying and selling purposes to citizens of America. and even u know that Republicans r support selling of these type weapons as a legal right of citizens .
Gun- industries get more profit by selling these like things.
i hope maybe some say that gun should be legalized for our safety purpose , that's nonsense becoz America is a state , state is responsible for providing safe environment for citizens, but they buy and sell guns in result mass killing is possible in America and dream of safe environment become hell.
So u can understand that how capitalism make America worse and make it a dangrous country.
American state is ruled by these rich peoples , so u can understand their mentality level among others , Power and the money just these r their first priorities.
According to various sources, Afghanistan has over 1,400 mineral fields, containing valuable resources such as copper, gold, iron, cobalt, and rare earth minerals like lithium and niobium
The US government's knowledge of Afghanistan's mineral resources dates back to the 2000s, during the early years of the US-led intervention in the country. So maybe USA want to get these resources so they like to do something for it.
Fact :
Even when USA achieve their targets and kill Osama , but USA still stay in Afghanistan until 2021 . 20 years of war — the longest war in American history.
All the Muslim world and even Ayt-ullah Kumauni (supreme leader of Iran ) condemns but no one say or agree that Taliban behind 9/11 .
after 9/11 war industries get extraordinary profit , even American GDP goes from 4-5 % to -1 % , but what's happened at that Lockheed Martin company.
Here's a rough breakdown of Lockheed Martin's financials:
2000: Net sales of $9.8 billion
2002: Net sales of $26.6 billion (that's cool power and the money , money and the power )
So , according to that : American Elite , Capitalist , American State is already planned how to Attack Afghanistan ,( get natural resources from its land and ) for that purpose they agree to cross every line (even 9/11 is part of that plan).
Second Theory :
America support Taliban , Osama bin laden , Innocent Muslims from all over and encourage them , train them , weaponized them against Soviet Union ,(At that time USA call them freedom fighters who fight to liberation of Afghanistan ), and At that time they all widely use the name of Holy Islam to motivate them.
Due to which Virus of extremism among Muslims , in allover the world get spread , when Soviet Union defeat , these people become extremists and do bad things all over the world. These people r the spiritual-evil children's of USA.
fact :
During the Soviet–Afghan War, there was a large amount of foreign involvement. The Afghan mujahidin were backed primarily by Pakistan (Dictators and Religious Scholars ), the United States,...... US support for Mujahedin
and at the end USA capture Osama Laden from Pakistan ( city of Abbottabad by United States Navy SEALs of SEAL Team Six)
Alleged US-government files leaked by WikiLeaks disclosed that American diplomats were told that Pakistani security services were tipping off bin Laden every time US-forces approached. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) also helped smuggle al Qaeda militants into Afghanistan to fight NATO troops.
Victory of those who give birth to a child and then kill their child according to need.
USA and Pakistan victory against Osama that is the end of Osama by Pak-USA
Al -Qaeda , Osama ,Taliban..... r the spiritual children of USA , who r bad and become bad due to USA and motivated by USA , who attempt 9/11 , as in conclusion USA is indirectly responsible of 9/11
My theory : " Directly or Indirectly America is responsible for 9/11 "
can u prove that i'm wronge by rational reason and prove
that's what i think , i hope u feel what i feel , what u think about it
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
After careful consideration, I have decided to award the "better argument" vote to Con. While Pro presented a very interesting take on the events leading to 9/11, they did not present an argument that effectively demonstrated that the responsibility for 9/11 rested on the US's shoulders. Con, on the other hand, presented very effective counter-rebuttals to what could otherwise be considered a conspiracy theory. However, I will be awarding the "conduct and better sources" title to Pro due to the fact that Con not only used ad hominem attacks against Pro, but also forfeited the last round. I also commend Pro for making the effort to actually include sources, even if they ultimately did not sway the argument. Additionally, I will be awarding the "legibility" vote to Con as well, since Pro's formatting was very incoherent and admittedly hard to read.
USA bombed lots of countries, which caused many to hate USA.
This is an interesting one for sure...
I could see three variations of what pro is arguing for:
Are you arguing that America (American leadership or elites) purposefully and willfully created 9/11 (meaning they planned it and knew full well what was going to happen) or are you arguing that America deserves 9/11, or finally are you arguing that any logical and reasonable person would have guessed an event like 9/11 would have happened based on the foreign polices decisions that the US made before 9/11.
Thanks for reading this and if it isn't a troll I'd love to argue it with you!