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America is responsible for 9/11

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Swisse
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We r all rational gladiators America is not our enemy or friend , Hail America the boneless

Round 1
Pro
#1
As I see that my opponent and ally  already  predict   my  point of  attacks and defenses  that encourage me  to change the mode  and ways of attack  and defense  . Hhaha

Its good  , for now   to display  and define the coin and  after it I represent the both sides of coin  : 

FBI  issued 216  threat warnings  by  al Qaeda  , while  NASA  reported 33 intercepts  r possible,
But the   badness is that  President     J. Bush  not taking these   threat  seriously  and ignored. And at last
September 11 2001 , that bad is happened.    (source :  book  Descent into Chaos   by  Ahmed Rashid)

           9 September 2001   four plane  hijacked  two of them  hit Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, one by one ( when first plane  hit   the news is that   plane accident happened  but exact after some time, when   second plane  repeat  the accident  ,  then  at that everyone know  that  its attack not a accident   ) .

I tell u  one more pic   in-side the coin ,   about first  plane : 
                                   Flight 11  , 8:24 AM
" Mohammad Atta-Hijacker (head of attack according to USA)  ,
He  took the  positions of  pilot after kill  actual  pilots  of plane ,
After it  he told something to passenger (like speech of victory)
During it by mistake he  press  buttons due to which plane connected
to the  Airport Tower  of NY. 

Atta :      We have some planes.  Just stay quiet and we'll be Okay.
                 We r returning to  the  Airport

After listening that,  management of  Airport  confused   that what is that,
Exactly  after some time  , Mohammad Atta  repeat the mistake.

Atta :   Nobody Move, Please .We  r  going back to Airport.
Don't try to make any stupid Moves.  "         
       
Nobody Move, Please.........        (so calm and cool    these  words r ,  so rich to  hear  by  hijacker   who   going to kill  civilians and plane's passengers)


That's  sirens  of  first  attack , after some moments  flight 11  fiercely  huge with    Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.


The third hijacked plane moves towards  Washington DC and  succeeded in striking the Pentagon.

           But  the miracle  is that  forth hijacked  plane move towards the Washington DC , but due to some reason   plane crashed   in unpopulated  area .
( two  theories is about it ,  that  plane  destroy by American Air Force  on the order of  state or  destroyed  in result of passengers and hijackers  conflict  in the plane , becoz passengers  know  that hijackers r liar  they  crashed the plane with some building  , passengers know all these things  when  they contact  by phone  to earth  , so  they decided to fight and take the control of plane)

(9/11 story  that i represent to u is  from   standard    international platforms , especially  American news .........,   Al-Jazeera )

Shortly , after 3:00 pm on     September 11 2001 ,  Tenet  told  President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported.      (source:   Book name  Directorate S  by Steve Coil   chapter 2)

What the hell :

American state and J. Bush   say that   Osama Bin Laden (head of Al-Qaida ) is responsible and master-mind of attack and    ordered to   Afghan-Taliban    to deliver the  Osama to them. When  Taliban  say first of all we all need to  understand ,  resolve and  clear the misconceptions of  the  problem by   negotiation  and   we also need   proof   that  Osama  is  involved in  9/11 attack  becoz  without confirmation  , its against our Grace and     traditions   to deliver our guest to others. But as u know America  is great and Taliban is  inferior  uncivilized animals  for America and west  , by the way   on that response of Taliban  America   declare  war on Afghanistan.

As u see that  spot  of 9/11   that u listen by   j. bush and American  state  is nothing but red herring  they hide  something from their own People and from the world.   But today  whole the world   accept that    directly or indirectly   American State is responsible for 9/11.


Extra :
History  rise some Questions that :
Who is Osama bin Laden ?
Who is  Al-Qaida ?
Who is  Taliban's Afghanistan?
Role of Pakistan  (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)
Who is America ?
What are  Armed making companies of America ?
What  exactly   attackers and Muhammad Atta's   background ?

Friendship  and relations of  Osama bin Laden  , Taliban , Al-Qaeda  , and USA at the times of   Soviet–Afghan War    
 Soviet–Afghan War  Ended  1989    ,   Al-Qaeda  founded in 1988 

All the  clues  loudly say, America is responsible for 9/11









Con
#2
Wow... that was extraordinary difficult to read and made no sense at all.

In the spirit of a good debate, I've reread it multiple times and fed it to ai to try to make sense of it. 

I got a VERY rough idea of your points; however this was a lot of work, and I ask that next time you write legibly. 


Since I don't understand you for this argument, I'm simply going to point out a couple of the vast inconstancies and falsehoods. 

"Nobody Move, Please.........        (so calm and cool    these  words r ,  so rich to  hear  by  hijacker   who   going to kill  civilians and plane's passengers)"

Mohamed struggled with deep and constant suicidal thoughts, however due to his religious views he could not kill himself. His speech alluded to a sense of joy and happiness that he was able to die and still go to his heaven, that is why he was calm and collected, not because he was some super-secret FBI operative like you claim. 

"(9/11 story  that i represent to u is  from   standard    international platforms , especially  American news .........,   Al-Jazeera )"

Al-Jazeera is 100% entirely owned and funded by the state of Qatar. Every single cent, and all commands, came from the government. In no way is Al-Jazeera an American news website and therefore this whole point is built under false pretenses. 

"Shortly , after 3:00 pm on     September 11 2001 ,  Tenet  told  President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported.      (source:   Book name  Directorate S  by Steve Coil   chapter 2)"

This was the most interesting point because Directorate S is a book about the Russian illegals and US-Russo espionage. It is NOT about 9/11 and only very briefly touches on the middle east. Secondly the C.I.A director died before the book was written so I am confused how he reported classified information from beyond the grave.  


Lastly these questions make no sense?

"Who is Osama bin Laden ?
Who is  Al-Qaida ?
Who is  Taliban's Afghanistan?
Role of Pakistan  (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)
Who is America ?
What are  Armed making companies of America ?
What  exactly   attackers and Muhammad Atta's   background ?"



Who is  America? That isn't a question, and the rest of these question are questions I'd expect to see on the back of a worksheet in middle school history class. 

In conclusion the burden of proof is on YOU and you either made this up or do not understand the topic at all.
Please put more effort in for the next one!


Round 2
Pro
#3
My   Honorable opponent  ,  I  define  9/11  to u  , but i see u don't    study    9/11    from  independent resources   ,   u  study the   high school books same like me when I'm  child.
     i  see in  many debates ,   even   both  pro and con      are very educated and well   debaters   but   , sometimes when con     have nothing  to     prove  their pov  then   they    trying to attack on    pro's     logical  and rational  statements     without  any rational  reasons.  And  u do same.
let's   f*  on   that   badness.

haha

lets do something  joyful :

1.
" Atta Muhammad  : Nobody Move, Please.........        (so calm and cool    these  words r ,  so rich to  hear  by  hijacker   who   going to kill  civilians and plane's passengers)"

 My  nice  opponent (Swisse) :    "Mohamed struggled with deep and constant suicidal thoughts, however due to his religious views he could not kill himself. His speech alluded to a sense of joy and happiness that he was able to die and still go to his heaven, that is why he was calm and collected, not because he was some super-secret FBI operative like you claim. "

I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) :   My   holy  opponent   ,  first thing is that      Islam ( religion  that Atta  Mohammad   belongs from , According to USA ),    if u study   Islam  u   never  say that    , and   secondly   i   don't  claim      Mohammad Atta   was  super-secret FBI   operative. U   make false  arguments about  mine statement.    
 
2.

"(9/11 story  that i represent to u is  from   standard    international platforms , especially  American news .........,   Al-Jazeera )"

My  nice  opponent (Swisse) : " Al-Jazeera is 100% entirely owned and funded by the state of Qatar. Every single cent, and all commands, came from the government.                                                                      In no way is Al-Jazeera an American news website and therefore this whole point is built under false pretenses.  "

I'm (AnonYmous_Icon) :  "  haha  u   need to re-read    my statement   that  at the  end of    story   9/11   i  tell u about  resources  i  use to make  it :   American  News  , Al-                                                         Jazeera.   

I  say that  becoz    American  News  is always  in favor of their own state  and mostly   they never tell   truth that is against     America  , if  u       see  America   news   on  regular  basis  ,  u know it     much better   than me.     

Al-Jazeera  ,    is  most   eligible   than  American  news platforms ,  its true   that  Al-Jazeera  is  qatar based  , but my dear    Al-Jazeera             English    is  really   good and based on true news ,   u never  see that   Al-Jazeera  is  in  favor  of China , Russia  or USA    and    Qatar  is    world    recognized    friendly   state   ,    from USA  to   Taliban  ,   Extremists  to   Secular   , from most developed to third      world countries  all  believe in  Qatar   , haha its reality my dear . The   Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord, in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan.   So i hope  u  understand the   soft power and   stand of  Qatar   in international  community  and as well as   Al-Jazeera.
i think u don't understand what i  say  that's  why   u   say that   my whole point is built under false pretenses.

3.

"Shortly , after 3:00 pm on     September 11 2001 ,  Tenet  told  President Bush that Al Qaeda is carried out the hijackings… This was Al- Qaeda operation , The C.I.A director reported.      (source:   Book name  Directorate S  by Steve Coil   chapter 2)"

My  nice  opponent (Swisse)  :" This was the most interesting point because Directorate S is a book about the Russian illegals and US-Russo espionage. It is NOT about 9/11 and only very briefly touches on the middle east. Secondly the C.I.A director died before the book was written so I am confused how he reported classified information from beyond the grave ".

I'm (AnonYmous_Icon)  :   Directorate S is a book that    tells the inside story of U.S. intelligence, military and diplomatic efforts to defeat Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan since 9/11.   Secondly  , my   dear opponent !     C.I.A  director   reported  the  report  , he is not   the author or  writer  of book.

but i consider one more  source  for u to  determine  that i  not told false  thing . 
At around 9:30 pm ( 3:00 pm  time difference  but date is still  same  so ignore  time difference ) on September 11, 2001, George Tenet, director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), told President George W. Bush and U.S. senior officials that the CIA's Counterterrorism Center had determined that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda were responsible for the September 11 attacks.  (  Source :  Responsibility for the September 11 attacks )


4.
My  nice  opponent (Swisse)  :

" Lastly these questions make no sense? 

"Who is Osama bin Laden ?
Who is  Al-Qaida ?
Who is  Taliban's Afghanistan?
Role of Pakistan  (Hero/Traitor /Innocent)
Who is America ?
What are  Armed making companies of America ?
What  exactly   attackers and Muhammad Atta's   background ? "

I'm (AnonYmous_Icon)  :  i give u   puzzle to understand   reality of 9/11       but u don't understand i explain it  in soon , but u say that these not make any sense  , haha 
that u  say   but    that  r the   things   that   r  very important to     understand  the  9/11 and   reasons behind  9/11.
i give  the answer  of all the   questions  and statements that u raise.
u know  in previous  round u say  to me that :   
"   In conclusion the burden of proof is on YOU and you either made this up or do not understand the topic at all.
Please put more effort in for the next one!  "
now i say to u  that : 
"I get what u say to me , now  apply all  the things that u say  to me on your own-self"


   i tell u my next  moves ,      in next  round i  try to   represent  both sides    of 9/11  and conclude it   in rational  way . haha   , i hope  ur next attack is  very fierce.
Con
#4
I wish to briefly state that there are two books named directorate S and all points I made regarding that are false, sorry. 

Moving onwards,

"My   holy  opponent   ,  first thing is that      Islam ( religion  that Atta  Mohammad   belongs from , According to USA ),    if u study   Islam  u   never  say that    , and   secondly   i   don't  claim      Mohammad Atta   was  super-secret FBI   operative. U   make false  arguments about  mine statement. "

Islam MOST defiantly is against suicide of any form: Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever throws himself down from a mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever drinks poison and kills himself will be sipping it in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever. Whoever kills himself with a piece of iron will have that iron in his hand, thrusting it into his belly in the Fire of Hell for ever and ever.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari (5442) and Muslim (109). 

However, death in a battle for islam (Ie, a jihad) is exultad and seen as the best way to die. Mohammad Atta, who was a devout Muslim, would only crash those planes (and by extension kill himself) if he truly believed he was fighting for God.   Mohammad Atta had NOTHING other than Al-Queda and his God, and therefore any theory other than a jihadist death makes very little sense as he had no other agenda. Secondly, I do not seriously claim he was a super-secret FBI operative, it was sarcasm, however the grander idea that the US knew about the 9/11 attacks or had anything to do this planning them is absurd.  


 haha  u   need to re-read    my statement   that  at the  end of    story   9/11   i  tell u about  resources  i  use to make  it :   American  News  , Al-                                                         Jazeera.   

I  say that  becoz    American  News  is always  in favor of their own state  and mostly   they never tell   truth that is against     America  , if  u       see  America   news   on  regular  basis  ,  u know it     much better   than me.     

Al-Jazeera  ,    is  most   eligible   than  American  news platforms ,  its true   that  Al-Jazeera  is  qatar based  , but my dear    Al-Jazeera             English    is  really   good and based on true news ,   u never  see that   Al-Jazeera  is  in  favor  of China , Russia  or USA    and    Qatar  is    world    recognized    friendly   state   ,    from USA  to   Taliban  ,   Extremists  to   Secular   , from most developed to third      world countries  all  believe in  Qatar   , haha its reality my dear . The   Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, commonly known as the United States–Taliban deal or the Doha Accord, in Doha, Qatar, to bring an end to the 2001–2021 war in Afghanistan.   So i hope  u  understand the   soft power and   stand of  Qatar   in international  community  and as well as   Al-Jazeera.
i think u don't understand what i  say  that's  why   u   say that   my whole point is built under false pretenses.

I personally disagree that Al-Jazeera is a trusted new source, however that is irrelevant for this debate (maybe a good next debate). While everyone agrees American news channels usually kinder to America, a story like THE US GOVERMENT PLANS TERROIST ATTACK THAT KILLS THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS would be reported no matter what, and not to mention that internation news sources would eat it up.  This is my main basis for the argument that 9/11 was caused and went down almost exactly how the media reports it. It would be so indescribably difficult to stage a massive terrorist attack in the middle of NEW YORK. Thousands would have to be involved and there would be a billion variables from needing to inform the TSA to let these terrorists through, to making sure there were no air marshals onboard, or making sure the planes didn't overshoot by even a second and not destroying the pentagon.  The variables would be impossible to manage and the fact that there haven't been any death bed confessions or anonymous tips about their participation in the staging of 9/11 proves that it was in fact a terrorist attack. 

I feel I must clarify, I am NOT arguing that 9/11 didn't help America, it DID however I do not believe that America had anything to do with the planning or execution of 9/11. 

Thank you for listening.

Ps I am curious about what you believed happened during 9/11.
Round 3
Pro
#5
I  apricate u  that u accept  ur mistake    , its pleasure  for me  to tell the truth  that i know   by  ur grace.

my honorable   opponent   the second thing is that  u say  and prove  that Islam is  totally  against   sucide, that's  ture i agree.

but some point that is need to   display   whole pic and all side of coin:

can i  know  where is   Jihad , or Jihadist  before   f*   America  ?
(America  support  Taliban , Osama , Innocent  Muslims  from  all over   and   encourage them for fight   , train them , weaponized them  against  Soviet Union  )

i just   like  to   justify  that     Islam  is a peaceful religion  among other religions ,  which   is    very good    at  that  times  of  7 century.    but if  someone    in  today's  modern  age  sell their propaganda   on  name of God   and  trying to sell    religion      or   do  something bad        and then  say      i'm   good  then   it doesn't mean  that  person  is good,  that  person is bad.   If  some   Christian , Jew  , Muslim , Hindu , Budish....   do   bad   , it doesn't means      Christianity , Islam, Hinduism , Buddhism .....  is bad, never   ever  if   someone do   bad then     that   person is bad.

And now  i display  u    all sides/theories  about   9/11  , that who is responsible  according  to standard  sources .

First theory :       American state  is really  bad. they   cross every line   to do what they want, it  doesn't  matter   who  become  victim of  their  bad things.
American  war  making  companies  r  considered  as the most   profitable  and horrible   reality   in  America  which   work like a virus   ,  As   America  is a capitalist  state  which    is   monopolized   by     rich  peoples ,  who  do    every thing  for   making     money ,   even if  u  know  about    history of  America    u see   that  capitalism play  very important  role to make America  stronge but at the same  time     America   face    fierce  realities    of    it.   If  u hear about    Gun-industries  of  America  u get shocked.

Gun Violence by the Numbers:
Annual Gun Deaths: 48,204 (2022) 
Daily Gun Deaths: 132 (2022) 
Children and Teens Killed: 2,526 (2022)



Even u know that  recently Trump is shooed by the  Gun ,   which  gun is  legalized    for  buying  and selling   purposes   to    citizens of America.  and  even   u know  that    Republicans     r    support      selling    of these     type weapons    as    a    legal  right  of  citizens .     
Gun- industries  get more profit by selling these  like things.
i hope maybe  some   say that     gun should  be legalized   for our safety  purpose ,    that's nonsense   becoz   America is a state   , state is responsible for providing  safe   environment    for  citizens,   but they  buy and sell guns in result  mass killing is possible in America   and  dream of safe  environment become hell.
So u can  understand  that   how  capitalism   make America  worse  and make it    a dangrous  country.
American  state  is    ruled by    these rich  peoples  , so u can understand their mentality level among     others   ,   Power and the money  just these r their first priorities.

According to various sources, Afghanistan has over 1,400 mineral fields, containing valuable resources such as copper, gold, iron, cobalt, and rare earth minerals like lithium and niobium
The US government's knowledge of Afghanistan's mineral resources dates back to the 2000s, during the early years of the US-led intervention in the country. So maybe  USA want to get these resources  so they  like to do something for it.

Fact :
Even  when  USA  achieve their targets  and  kill   Osama   ,  but USA  still  stay in Afghanistan   until  2021 .  20 years of war — the longest war in American history. 
All the Muslim world and  even        Ayt-ullah  Kumauni  (supreme leader of  Iran )    condemns   but  no one say  or agree that  Taliban behind 9/11  .

  after 9/11   war  industries   get   extraordinary   profit    ,     even American   GDP   goes from   4-5  %   to   -1 %  , but  what's  happened  at that  Lockheed Martin company.
Here's a rough breakdown of Lockheed Martin's financials:
2000: Net sales of $9.8 billion
2002: Net sales of $26.6 billion        (that's cool  power and the  money , money and the power  )

So , according to  that :  American Elite , Capitalist , American State    is   already  planned   how  to  Attack  Afghanistan  ,( get natural  resources  from its land and )   for that purpose   they  agree to   cross  every line   (even 9/11  is part  of that plan).
Second Theory : 

America  support  Taliban , Osama bin laden  , Innocent  Muslims  from  all over   and   encourage them   , train them , weaponized them  against  Soviet Union ,(At that time  USA   call them  freedom fighters  who fight   to liberation of   Afghanistan   ),  and  At that time  they all widely use the name of  Holy Islam to motivate them.
Due  to which  Virus of   extremism  among Muslims  , in  allover the world get spread  , when  Soviet Union  defeat ,   these    people   become   extremists  and   do bad things  all over the world. These people  r the   spiritual-evil  children's  of  USA. 
fact
During the Soviet–Afghan War, there was a large amount of foreign involvement. The Afghan mujahidin were backed primarily by Pakistan (Dictators and Religious  Scholars  ), the United States,......     US   support for  Mujahedin
and   at the end  USA   capture  Osama Laden  from  Pakistan ( city of Abbottabad by United States Navy SEALs of SEAL Team Six)

Alleged US-government files leaked by WikiLeaks disclosed that American diplomats were told that Pakistani security services were tipping off bin Laden every time US-forces approached. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) also helped smuggle al Qaeda militants into Afghanistan to fight NATO troops.

Victory of those   who  give birth  to a  child  and then kill their child  according to need.
USA and Pakistan  victory against  Osama    that is  the end of Osama  by Pak-USA  

Al -Qaeda   , Osama ,Taliban.....    r  the  spiritual  children of   USA ,   who   r bad   and    become  bad   due to USA  and motivated  by  USA  , who  attempt 9/11   , as   in conclusion  USA  is  indirectly   responsible of 9/11  

My  theory  :     " Directly  or  Indirectly    America  is  responsible  for  9/11 "

can u prove that  i'm wronge   by  rational reason and   prove
that's what i think  , i hope  u  feel  what i feel  ,   what u think    about  it
Con
#6
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