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Trump would be a better president than Kamala Harris
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After 2 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...
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I (pro) argue that Donald Trump(Republican candidate) would be a better (more capable and efficient) president than Kamala Harris (Democratic candidate)
Con argues that Kamala would be the better candidate
Burden of proof is shared
Round 1
Pro
#1
A comparison between the two presidential candidates essentially comes down to the policies they propose
Let's firstly look at their policies on abortion
Trump: Is against Roe v Wade meaning that he will ban abortion with the exception of rape, incest or generally cases in which the mother's life is threatened
He also strongly supports fertility treatments, meaning he's in support of birth control medication as well as other contraceptives
Harris: Is in favor of Roe v Wade and wishes to reinstate it. This is the only thing she has said apart from attacks directed at Trump, ranting on falsely that he wants to limit women's rights
Who proposes a better solution? In my opinion, trump does because he doesn't support murder and it's perfectly logical that we all do unless we are sadists. However, he provides exceptions for when the mother's life is threatened which is the moral thing to do
Now let's look at border patrol, and the solutions they propose to the border crisis which includes illegal immigration
Trump: Says he will launch the largest deportation effort in U.S. history to send illegal migrants back to their country of origin. Trump will also require asylum-seekers from Mexico to remain there until their cases are fully processed. Instead of a catch and release method, he says he will have all migrants without authorization detained. He would also enact travel bans for migrants that originate from countries that threaten national security (Gaza STRIP, Yemen, Syria...). He will block communists and marxists from entering the US, end birthright citizenship for children born to illegal migrants. He will also continue to build border barriers and finally block Pro-Hamas Protests by sending deportation officers.
Harris: Will do absolutely nothing new
Who proposes a better solution? Obviously Trump does. Kamala proposes nothing new in order to battle the border crisis whereas Trump proposes a plethora of solutions. US citizens constantly critisize Biden and Kamala's policies and they have all reason to do so. Close to 250,000 illegal migrants crossed during December 2023, surpassing the previous high of 224,000 encounters in May of 2022, also under the Biden-Harris watch while in 2024, 10-15k illegal migrants cross the borders every SINGLE day. Trump doesn't only propose the better policies due to quantity of policies but also quality. I will take each policy one by one and explain the reasons for which i support them.
he will launch the largest deportation effort in U.S. history to send illegal migrants back to their country of origin
Illegal immigration is a crime and therefore unacceptable. Nothing much else to say
Trump will also require asylum-seekers from Mexico to remain there until their cases are fully processed
We simply can't allow migrants before processing their cases which includes checking for criminal records etc.
he says he will have all migrants without authorization detained
I repeat, illegal immigration is a crime and nobody can defy the law.
He would also enact travel bans for migrants that originate from countries that threaten national security
This policy battles terrorism
He will block communists and marxists from entering the US
Whereas this policy achieves political stability
Now let's move on to climate change
Trump: Will end the Green New Deal and exit the Paris Climate Agreement. He will also free up stores of liquid gold for energy development as well as speed up the approval process of natural gas pipelines into multiple states
Harris: Will back the Biden administration’s climate initiatives, including legislation providing billions in tax credits for renewable energy and electric vehicles
Who proposes a better solution: This decision is harder to make because both sides promise something as a solution but in the end what matters is that Kamala proposes nothing new. We need immediate results and the solutions need to be effective and since climate change hasn't stopped or slowed down these last few years, it is proven that the Biden administration's solutions are not effective. I think we need to give Trump a turn at the wheel so that he can actually prove to us whether or not he can combat this problem effectively.
We will lastly talk about crime because con and I agreed to keep characters low although there are many more policies i will consider in the following arguments
Trump: Will move homeless encapments out of cities, give police more authority and deploy military to fight the nation's drug problem as well as impose death penalties on drug dealers. He will also deliver funding to hire and retrain police officers as well as send federal prosecutors and the National Guard into high crime communities
Harris: Continue to grant clemency to people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses. She defended the cash bail system in a pair of federal court cases, shifting course only weeks before she entered the Senate. Argues for marijuana legalization, bail reform and a moratorium on the death penalty.
Who proposes a better solution: Both solutions have flaws. I disagree with Trump on things like imposing the death penalty on drug dealers but i also diagree with Kamala's approach since i find it very lenient and it actually doesn't provide a solution to crime, it doesn't minimize crime but it actually legalises certain crimes and make punishment for other crimes more lenient. This country needs law and order and Trump's solutions better ensure that the law is not broken because through these measures, punishment for crimes is increased, detering criminals from committing crimes while committing crimes becomes harder due to the amount of safety measures.
Now before i finish the argument and publish it, i want the readers of this debate to consider something crucial to this debate. Kamala has been in office for god knows how long as vice president alongside Joe Biden and she only now promises to make things right and provide solutions. She's doing something that's very immoral in my opinion because through her course of action, she basically says: I will make the country better (something she can't do) ONLY if you elect me and give me power
Con
#2
1.
Under Trump the economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3% in 2020.
The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million under Trump, which caused many deaths of Americans.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion, increased by almost 8 trillion.
Handgun production rose 12.5% in 2020 compared with 2016, setting a new record. This contributed to crime and suicide.
The murder rate in 2020 rose to the highest level since 1997, which caused further damage to economy and survival.
Trump had a debt-to-GDP ratio of 126.24% but he cut the top tax rate to give himself money.
Trump opposes trans and LGBT, which puts those groups in danger of being oppressed if Trump becomes president.
Trump has good relationship with both Putin and Kim Jong Un. Both are enemies of USA and oppressors.
Anyone who thinks that Trump will save USA really just forgot what happened in time of 2017-2021.
Kamala would be first woman president. It is fair, changing the view that only white men can be presidents.
Trump cannot win the popular vote. If it was up to democratic vote, Trump would never even be president.
Masses of people are the ones who decide what capable and effective means, since they set the goals for country.
People dont think that Trump is capable and effective. Trump had 57% disapproval rate at end of term.
Trump is today losing in polls by 6 percentage points. He will lose popular vote for third time.
Kamala will increase the number of immigrants, which will contribute to population, workforce and income of money to USA.
Trump reduces migrants, which due to low birth rates would reduce "work force to population" ratio, increasing poverty.
Trump is linked to many criminal activities, dodging taxes, dodging draft, sexual assaults. It makes him unfit president.
Many of Trump's actions are very similar to Hitler's actions, using lies and insults against his political opponents.
When some person displays strong similarity to Hitler, it usually means that person is unfit to be president.
Trump tried spreading a lie that elections are rigged when he lost, even tho he had 57% disapproval rate.
Trump had highest disapproval rate of any president in the past 50 years, meaning people dont consider him capable.
Desires of most people are most important, therefore most people decide what is the meaning of effective and capable.
Trump is famous for getting support from racists, conspiracy theory believers, nazis, and other bad groups in society.
Trump didnt improve anything last time he was president. He made country worse and increased government's budget deficit.
Trump printed over 3 trillion dollars in his last year as president, which caused massive inflation in economy.
If everyone was like Trump: greedy, insulting, corrupted, power hungry, and pervert, what a horrible country you would have!
Trump normalized disrespect for every part of US government which opposes to him, reducing people's trust in them.
Trump said that he wants for people in USA to respect their leader like people in North Korea.
Trump doesnt respect anyone. He is incapable of talking to his opponents without using mass series of insults.
Power hungry Trump who tried to overthrow election results has great desire to abolish democracy and become dictator.
Kamala supports green energy which reduces pollution and trash, and reduces global warming. Trump supports the opposite of that.
Kamala supports abortion rights, which reduce crime and poverty, and improve quality of life, education, and improve economy.
Even during covid, Trump refused to increase taxes on the rich, but increased an already high budget deficit even more.
During covid, Trump said that people dont have to wear masks, said that he doesnt wear mask either.
Over 1 trillion budget deficit in 2019. That is two times more than what it was in 2016.
Trump promised in 2016 that if he is elected, he will eliminate the debt. He increased it by 40%.
Due to Trump's poor response, US death rate from covid was one of the highest among developed world nations.
Trump inherited great economy from Obama, and ruined it. Biden inherited horrible economy from Trump, and fixed it.
Under Trump, US had 8th highest covid death rate, worse than most other countries, despite the best health service.
USA was in terms of covid death rate worse than 95% of other countries in the world during Trump.
Trump made a crucial economical mistake: he cut caxes, but increased spending greatly, which gave birth to great deficit.
It doesnt take a big brain to figure out that increasing costs while not increasing earnings leads to deficit.
Trump spent trillions to fight covid, more than any other country, yet performed worse than 95% of countries.
2.
"Abortion is murder"
Banning doesnt stop abortions. Banning abortion is murder, since it increases crime, poverty and amount of women dying.
"he's in support of birth control"
Birth control doesnt prevent pregnancy every time. People cannot stop having sex, as that would be very unhealthy.
"Illegal immigration is a crime"
Illegal immigration benefits economy, but my opponent ignores that Trump wants to turn legal migrants into illegal migrants.
"Whereas this policy achieves political stability"
Political stability is not achieved with that. USA is strongest country on Earth because it has most migrants.
"This policy battles terrorism"
Except that when Trump gets to pick which countries are banned, he can pick any country he wants.
"since climate change hasn't stopped or slowed down these last few years"
USA isnt the only country which pollutes. The transition to green economy takes many decades. Trump reduces green energy investments.
"Will move homeless encapments out of cities"
So he will make life worse for homeless people. They will no longer be able to enjoy city.
"give police more authority"
Which will increase police brutality like it always does. Give people more power, they have more to abuse.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Con made some claims which weren't backed up by sources whereas the policies i mentioned can be found here:
However, i'm gonna try to debunk some from these
The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3% in 2020
Do you remember what happened in 2020? Well, Covid-19 happened and Covid-19 is to solely blame because it caused widespread economic disruption and lockdowns. Unemployment rates were much better prior to the pandemic reaching a 50-year low of 3.5% in February 2020 while it is currently around 3.7% under Biden while Trump's stretch at 3.5% was much longer than Biden's at 3.7%
The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016
This is incorrect. It didn't increase by 40.5%, it increased by 17.7% and one thing you should know is that trade deficits aren't necessarily bad. They are neither good nor bad but complex, influenced by a variety of economic factors. In many cases, they are signs of a strong economy such as the one under Trump, prior to Covid.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion, increased by almost 8 trillion
Again, Covid. The first three years and five months of Trump's presidency, prior to Covid, the federal debt increased by 5.9 trillion while throughout Biden's three years and 5 months, it increased by 6 trillion
Handgun production rose 12.5% in 2020 compared with 2016, setting a new record. This contributed to crime and suicide.
This statement is true but the correlation between handgun production and crime is much more complex and can't be explained in two lines. Likewise, you could also say this contributed to the economy
The murder rate in 2020 rose to the highest level since 1997, which caused further damage to economy and survival
2020 was Covid. Covid caused social unrest and economic problems so it makes sense that murders increased.
I cannot keep answering to these claims you make without the necessary proof to back it up.
The fact that you didn't use sources cancels out every argument or claim you make on your own and by the way, these are not arguments. These are cheap shots aimed at Trump which are usually not fully true or completely inaccurate and that's the reason i will stop responding, also due to the character limit i imposed on our arguments. However, since you chose this course of action, i will act in the same way by putting emphasis on the Biden Administration's failures
1)You are constantly talking about what Biden did, not what Harris did. Sure, she contributed to some decisions but we never actually saw her take decisions as a president like we saw Trump do. Therefore, Kamala's experience doesn't come close to Trump's as president.
2)Under Biden, more people have died from Covid-19 than under Trump even after the creation of the vaccines which shows how poorly Biden handled the situation. Biden also unconstitutionally ordered vaccine mandates, leading to the resignation or firing of thousands of police officers, firefighters, health care workers and armed forces personnel.
3)Biden constantly highlights the importance of enforcing federal law yet he so constantly fails to enforce it. He so harshly punished the January 6 Capital Rioters yet he failed to punish Antifa and BLM Rioters who tried to burn down a courthouse in Portland which was a much more serious federal crime. Talk about favoritism.
4)The Biden administration has also left the military with limited budgets and focuses on introducing "woke" concepts, compromising the military's basic function which is to actually defend the country.
5) Now, let's talk about the horrific withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden pulled out the troops before getting out the civilians, green card holders and allies, then had to send troops back in to help them get out. Yet even then, Biden failed to get everyone out, despite promising to do so and left billions of dollars of arms and equipment in the hands of the Taliban
6) Now, time to talk about the border crisis. 10-15k immigrants cross the borders illegally every single day without repercussions. Thousands of illegal immigrants (so-called amnesty seekers) cross the borders and enter the country freely without their cases being processed at all. As a result, people infected with Covid-19 or other contagious and dangerous diseases, gang members, drug traffickers, sex traffickers and even individuals on terrorism watchlists are able to enter the country and what do they proceed to do? Increase crime rates
7) Inflation: Prices are rising steeply and inflation doesn't seem to slow down any time soon. Biden has imposed cruel taxing on the poor and middle class citizens while the economy is suffering from massive supply chain bottlenecks, with ships waiting weeks to get into ports, and a shortage of workers and truck drivers to deal with them once they get in.
Biden immediately canceled the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have employed 11,000 people. The oil that would have come through the pipeline will still come in, though by costlier and more polluting means (trucks and rail). At the same time, Biden gave his approval for the Nord Stream pipeline from Russia to Germany. At the same time he was restricting domestic oil and gas production, leading to higher gas and heating prices, Biden called on OPEC and Russia to supply more oil and gas in order to reduce those prices (Conclusion: Not only did the Biden Administration cause high energy prices through its decisions but also made its production and arrival more pollutive)
8)We also shouldn't neglect Biden's choice of appointees. Most of them have been selected based on their race, sex, LGBT status and not because of their qualifications. While he may think he made a good decision by appointing mainly diversity, his decision shows racism, sexism and homophobia because he treats these people like they're different than everyone else, giving them special privileges. Maybe its what kamala calls "wokeness". Maybe that's also the reason behind all these terrible decisions.
Joe Biden's Growing List of Failures | Opinion - Newsweek (source for the first 8 flaws/attacks)
Now, let's talk about Kamala. Her record as Prosecutor doesn't correspond to the Democratic Party and its ideals. In fact, many critics labeled her as "ruthless" while she herself claims to be a progressive prosecutor
1)Her record shows that
She had a tendency of making people serve longer sentences than necessary
2)In many of her speeches, she said that "too many black and brown americans are locked up due to mass incarceration" but when asked about her record
she responded with "at a time when prevention and redemption were not in the vocabulary or mindset of most district attorneys, we created an initiative to get skills and job training instead of jail time for young people arrested for drugs"
3)Many sexual assault survivors have criticized Harris, saying she didn’t go far enough to combat sexual assault while she seems very proud of her work
4) As California's attorney general, people critisized her policies such as the anti-truancy one which threatened to send parents whose kids skipped school, to jail. This is in my opinion very controversial and many would agree
Now let's talk about the Kevin Cooper case in particular which Kamala managed to hide so well to the point where it was completely forgotten (or not)
Kevin Cooper was a Black man convicted in California of murdering four white people in 1983 and sentenced to death. He has maintained his innocence but lost at least a dozen appeals. He remains on death row in San Quentin State Prison
It appears that an innocent man was framed by sheriff's deputies and is on death row in part because of dishonest cops, sensational media coverage and flawed political leaders—including Democrats like Brown and Kamala Harris, the state attorney general before becoming a U.S. senator, who refused to allow newly available DNA testing for a black man convicted of hacking to death a beautiful white family and young neighbor
In other words, Kamala sent an innocent man to death row, concealed evidence for the case which is a federal crime, and that man still remains on death row despite proving innocent.
My question is: Why isn't she in jail? Why hasn't the government deprived her of her ability to prosecute. These are all questions that will never be answered
Con
#4
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Trump encourages people to be corrupt. He is saying "Look at all the things I can get away with".
Trump is old, which increases chances of him dying, being ill or developing mental illness as US president.
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/managing-the-risk-of-dementia/risk-factors-for-dementia
Trump isnt famous for telling the truth. In fact, he told over 30000 lies as president, 20 lies a day.
Smart people, people with high education are more likely to be democrats, which means logic supports democrats more.
The cleanest and least polluting countries are those where government imposed regulations and taxes to save air and environment.
The action to stop polluting planet is crucial, since pollution also harms humans and increases healthcare costs and deaths.
People who are prefering republicans are people over 50. Young people with more interest in future prefer democrats.
Economists in 2016 predicted that Trump's plan will increase debt by 8 trillion. MAGA doesnt listen to experts.
Under Trump at one point, 13% of people didnt have wage. They were unemployed. Their wage was 0.
Biden reduced debt to GDP ratio, where Trump increased debt to GDP ratio. Less debt ratio under Biden.
Kamala supports Biden's economy. Biden reduced inflation, increased wages, reduced budget deficit, increased employment to greatest, improved healthcare.
Kamala supports Ukraine and opposes Israel, which protects innocent civilians, punishes and discourages aggressive behavior, is popular choice.
Only Kamala supports body ownership. Body ownership is necessary for free speech. Being against free speech violates debate.
Kamala increases people's satisfaction with government. Her policies are popular. This reduces probability of civil war, increases happiness.
Kamala promotes equality. Equal treatment is logically necessary since no person is logically more important than other person.
2.
"Claims which weren't backed up by sources"
What I am saying is common knowledge, such as that contraception doesnt work every time. Everyone knows it.
But okay, if Pro demands it, I will post sources to all my previous claims later in text.
"Covid-19 is to solely blame"
It was already explained that Trump's poor response to covid is to blame. Trump is responsible for that.
Trump was unable to maintain unemployment rate at 3.5%. Biden was able to maintain at 3 to 4%.
Even if Covid made it difficult for Trump, Covid and war in Ukraine made it difficult for Biden.
"Trade deficit increased by 17%"
My opponent posted a source comparing 2019 to 2020. My claim was 2016 to 2020, total time under Trump.
500 billions of deficit in 2016. 568 billions in 2017. 678 billions in 2020. Increased by 178 billions.
That is not 17% increase, but about 35% increase from year 2016. That is a very significant total increase.
trade deficits aren't necessarily bad
It is bad. Trade deficit means that dollar value drops. People are using dollar to buy other currencies.
Trump - Biden debt comparison
Trump left Biden 3 trillions of budget deficit. Biden reduced the deficit over time. Trump increased deficit over time.
From 480 billions in 2016 to 1 trillion in 2019, to over 3 trillions in 2020, all Trump.
you could also say this contributed to the economy
That is false. Crimes like murder and suicide dont contribute to economy in a positive way, but in a negative.
Covid caused social unrest and economic problems so it makes sense that murders increased.
Trump's response to covid caused social unrest. USA was worse than 95% of other countries by death rate.
Also, Covid didnt stop when Biden became president. Covid continued, but Biden performed better than Trump in economy.
"The fact that you didn't use sources"
My opponent didnt use sources in round 1 either, and then claimed how one source contains all arguments.
we never actually saw her take decisions as a president like we saw Trump do.
We saw that Trump as president makes bad decisions. We never saw Kamala make bad decisions as president.
This puts Trump in negative and Kamala in neutral, so it still makes Kamala better by logical comparison.
We also know that Kamala supports popular policies like abortion, where Trump's policies were non-popular and very harmful.
Under Biden, more people have died from Covid-19 than under Trump
Covid lasted almost 3 times longer under Biden, but highest number of deaths per week happened under Trump.
3.
My opponent talks a lot about Biden, but in terms of economy and American lives saved, Biden outperforms Trump.
Biden has also managed to save Ukraine and defeat Russia by using less than 3% of US budget.
US birth rates are low, which is why more migrants are needed to have enough workforce for economy.
If Trump becomes president again, he will reduce number of migrants, which will harm economy and cause shortages.
The rate of crime among migrants is lower than among general population. Undocumented migrants arent more violent than Americans.
My opponent makes contradictive claims about Kamala, such as being both severe and not severe enough on crime.
He talks of few, where Trump caused thousands of American deaths by murder rates and bad covid response.
Trump by increasing crime, banning abortion, arresting migrants and destroying economy has sent plenty of people to prison.
The point of all this is that Trump is proved to be worse than Biden in terms of abilities.
My opponent cannot claim that we havent seen Kamala's abilities and also claim that those abilities are bad.
My opponent conceded that Kamala's abilities are neutral, where it was proved that Trump's abilities are negative (harmful).
My opponent didnt list any good thing done by Trump, in terms of economy, liberty or saving lives.
Objective moralities like equality, liberty, popular choice and people's main choices, body ownership, free speech, ... all favor Kamala.
Here are sources for round 1:
This source says that legalized abortion reduced some types of crime by 47%, bringing many benefits to economy:
Round 3
Pro
#5
Trump is old, which increases chances of him dying, being ill or developing mental illness as US president
Biden was old but just because he was a democrat, it was okay. Trump is years younger than Biden and has shown no problems associated with age unlike Biden. If you look at Biden, he had problems when addressing speeches, forming basic sentences etc.
Besides, Trump's age shows that he has more experience than Kamala in politics because he served as president for 4 years but also has more experience with economics (he's a businessman with a 7 billion networth) and life in general
According to this article, only a small number of voters think Trump's age is an issue because he hasn't given them reasons to be concerned compared to Biden whose age concerns 70% of voters, yet democrats were still keen on voting for him
This isn't an argment though since you can't just vote for the less capable candidate just because he's old
Kamala is old and frankly dumber than Trump
Let's take these things she said as an example: Harris Once Said, 'Ukraine Is a Country in Europe. It Exists Next to Another Country Called Russia'? | Snopes.com
This is not the first thing this has happened, it also happened when she was asked about the way she was going to control inflation and she proceeded to give the definition of inflation. Why? She couldn't answer because she CAN'T control inflation like Trump (i proved this in the policies comparison i did in the first round but i could also provide another example
Money required for homeownership under Trump: approx 70k while under Biden: 121k (check it out it's all over the Internet)
Trump isnt famous for telling the truth
Nor is Biden. He lied about the way he would deal with Covid-19, he lied about Afghanistan and on many other occasions (check out my second argument).The fact that someone sat down to count lies is ridiculous since it just shows how bad the media want to flame and propagandise Trump. The number seems questionable too
Smart people, people with high education are more likely to be democrats
This is incredibly offensive. Just because some voters don't have fancy college degrees, it means they're dumb and their vote means nothing? We live in a democracy where everyone can vote and all votes are equal. What you said is very discriminatory.
Since you want to boast the education level of your people. Here's a fun fact: Trump attended U-Penn and JD Vance attended Yale. These are both ivy league schools, a level of education that both Harris and Walz don't possess (even though we're not here to discuss degrees)
The action to stop polluting planet is crucial, since pollution also harms humans and increases healthcare costs and deaths
Then why did Biden cancel the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have employed 11,000 people, and pollute the environment in the process as i explained?
Young people with more interest in future prefer democrats
Then why did Kamala call young people (aged 18-24) stupid and that they should be placed in dormitories? How can you value something and call it stupid at the same time? I detect contradiction
Economists in 2016 predicted that Trump's plan will increase debt by 8 trillion
As i showed in the previous argument, Trump increased debt by 0.1 trillion less in his first three years and five months than Biden in his first three years and 5 months. After that period, Covid struck and the whole world collapsed so debt was inevitable. By the time Trump's term finished (2021), Covid had slowed down by a lot
Biden reduced inflation, reduced budget deficit
Biden increased inflation. Check your facts: FactChecking Biden on Inflation, Other Claims - FactCheck.org. Obviously, he had to increase the wages because if the wages remained the same while inflation skyrocketed, the economy would collapse.
As far as budget deficit goes, it is higher than what it would be if Biden had to stuck to Trump's laws: Fact check: Deconstructing Biden’s claim that ‘I reduced the federal deficit’ | CNN Politics
Kamala supports Ukraine and opposes Israel
Kamala, according to what she has said, supports Israel's right to defend itself (she obviously supports it since economically it would be best if she did even if she didn't say so-> The US sells guns, planes, all types of equipment to Israel) while she also supports Palestine. She doesn't have a clear position on this war
As far as Ukraine goes, this source shows that Harris and Zelensky don't tend to agree with each other and their alliance is depicted as "uneasy".
Trump proposes something completely different and much more effective.
In an interview, he said he would put both wars to sleep
For example: Trump says he had ‘a very good phone call’ with Zelensky, discussed Russia-Ukraine war | CNN Politics
Only Kamala supports body ownership
Trump is pro-life and pro-life means you don't tolerate murder (abortion)
Her policies are popular
Yet, not effective. Let's take her position on the border crisis which her administration created in the first place: Do absolutely nothing new and continue the way Biden dealt with it
What's the point of having borders if 10-15k illegal immigrants cross the borders without repercussions and their cases are never processed.
Popular doesn't always mean good
Now that i'm done with these statements, let's continue analysing each candidate's policies and showing that Trump has superior one bcuz it all comes down to the policies
Firstly, fentanyl and opioid epidemic
Trump: Proposes a naval embargo on cartel that supply fentanyl, characterising them as terrorists. Aims to inflict "maximum damage" on cartel leadership as well as seek the death penalty for cartel traffickers. Designate fentanyl as a federally-controlled substance and threaten China unless they stop exporting Fentanyl chemical precursors. He also seeks to encourage companies to provide employment to addicts in recovery, expand federal support for counseling and rehab programs and has promised family-leave for people whose relatives are suffering from addiction, so that they are taken care of.
Harris: Increase access to Naloxone(substance that reverses overdose) and make it more affordable
Proposes the best solution: Trump, here's why: He is actually punishing those who supply such a dangerous substance like fentanyl to the american people, while he will also support their recovery and make their path to recovery as easy and affordable as possible. Trump feels for these people and their families and won't leave them out to dry like Kamala will. Both proposals are good but they should be combined
Now, inflation and the proposals to reduce the inflation that couldn't be controlled by the Biden Administration
Trump: Enact universal baseline tariffs that “reward domestic production” and tax foreign companies (this will lead to lower taxes, bigger paychecks and more jobs). He will also lower interest rates. Trump will not tax tips like democrats falsely accused him of
Kamala: signed the American Rescue Plan, a $2 trillion stimulus package that delivered checks to Americans, boosted unemployment insurance benefits and expanded the child tax credit. Forgive student debt. Has also co-sponsored an initiative that promises free college along with Bernie Sanders.
Who should we choose? Trump, because under his leadership, unemployment was at an all-time low (3,5%) and republicans constantly stress the importance of the phrase "cheap groceries, low gas prices" which they could't get enough of under Trump. Biden not only increased prices by a steep margin but failed to control inflation. Inflation under Biden's Watch hit 9% in Summer 2022. It was easier to buy homes under Trump (homeownership under Trump: 70k > homeownership under Biden 120k) and it was easier to survive in general
Project 2025 is not to be discussed since Trump denied any involvement in it and has never talked about it, it was just lies by the democrats. (Not the first time this has happened)
Now, i would like to talk about other policies but i wanted to keep the characters low and we have both failed to do so, so i must stop
The decision is clear
Vote for the Republican party, for a better quality of life as well as law and order which Biden failed to provide during his 4 years of presidency
Con
#6
1.
These are most important points here:
Abortion
Debt
Debt to GDP
Budget deficit
Workforce
Liberty
Safety from crime
Public support for decisions
Poverty
Education
Body rights
Pain
Life with liberty is more worthy than life without liberty, more desirable - which is how things are valued.
It is better to live 100 years as free man than 10000 years locked in cage without freedom.
One free life outweighs 100 non-free lives. It is better to produce 1 free man than 100 slaves.
For example, people prefer to have freedom to smoke. Even if it reduces life, it makes life better.
Length of life is less important than quality of life. Quality of lives is more important than quantity.
Same works with pain. It is better to produce one happy person than 100 people who burn alive.
It is better to live 100 years as happy than 10000 years of burning alive painfully in fire.
So from this, the only conclusion which can be made is that quality of life is preferable to quantity.
Quality of life, meassured by liberty and lack of pain, also improves education. Education improves knowledge and society.
Allowing abortions improves education and liberty, since women dont have to drop out of school due to pregnancy.
Legal abortion reduces crime significantly, which improves lives of born people, and makes country more stable and happy.
You cant rape a woman to produce more humans. Fetus cannot non-consensually use woman's body to produce more life.
Banning abortion doesnt stop abortions, so as a policy it fails to achieve its goal while also causing harm.
Banning abortion increases prison population, lowers workforce and increases expenses of law enforcement, all contributing to further poverty.
Abortion is supported by majority, which means that banning abortion makes majority of people less happy, increasing pain.
Abortion supports body rights, which is necessary for increasing knowledge, thus for free speech, for truth and advancements.
So Kamala clearly wins on abortion issue, and my opponent never responded to my previous arguments against ban.
We see that by allowing migrants, crime rate is reduced because migrants, undocumented ones, have lower crime rate.
By allowing migrants, there is more workforce for economy, which improves quality of life, reduces poverty, increases GDP.
Trump has increased debt to GDP, and deficit, where Biden has reduced debt to GDP and budget deficit.
If Trump is elected again, he will again reduce taxes, cause budget deficit and increase debt to GDP.
It is clear that Kamala wins all important points. I have provided sources for these in round 2.
2.
Trump ...shown no problems associated with age
This doesnt mean that he wont have future problems. My source stated: risk of problems increases with age.
Trump's age shows that he has more experience than Kamala
Age does not mean experience. Trump's bad decisions clearly showed that he is incapable, harmful, liar and greedy.
some voters don't have fancy college degrees, it means they're dumb
People with more education are likely to be smarter and make better decisions, and elect better smarter leaders.
Trump attended U-Penn and JD Vance attended Yale
It is famous that Trump payed lots of money to get into those schools. Trump was born rich.
But we have already seen Trump's abilities, and most people with high education reject them, label them negative.
everyone can vote and all votes are equal
Trump also loses popular vote, so both majority of people and majority of educated people strongly reject Trump.
My opponent has no way of weighing values and decisions, where I provided: popular vote and educated vote.
I also provided objective values such as liberty, free speech, increasing knowledge, reducing pain... all very important values.
The only value provided by my opponent was saving lives by banning abortion. Ban doesnt save, but ruins lives.
Trump is famous for causing thousands of deaths of people, during covid, by murder rates, by banning abortions...
Then why did Biden cancel the Keystone XL pipeline
I wont debate insignificant decisions. Biden is more green energy than Trump, as you admitted in round 1.
Then why did Kamala call young people (aged 18-24) stupid
If stupid people make worse decisions, then since educated people prefer Kamala, you concede that Kamala is better.
Young people, people who have future seem to prefer Kamala. People who have little future left prefer Trump.
Trump increased debt by 0.1 trillion less
It was already explained that Trump inherited low deficit (500 billion) where Biden inherited covid, 3 trillion deficit.
Biden had to pay for deficit left over by Trump, since new president cannot immediatelly introduce new budget.
By the time Trump's term finished (2021), Covid had slowed down by a lot
Covid only slowed down few months after Biden took power. Biden inherited covid and bad economy. Trump didnt.
My opponent says Covid slowed down during Biden, but also says more people died from Covid during Biden.
My opponent says contradictive things, which negate each other, so his argument is invalid and doesnt hold weight.
Biden increased inflation
Money printing causes inflation. Trump printed over 3 trillion dollars in last year, which caused inflation later year.
Additional inflation was caused also in whole world by war in Ukraine, which Biden cannot be responsible for.
As far as budget deficit goes, it is higher than what it would be
My opponent uses people's opinions as sources. As such, these are not sources of any facts, thus invalid.
I posted statistic which shows during all years deficit consistently increasing under Trump and consistently decreasing under Biden.
She doesn't have a clear position on this war
She has a better position than Trump. Kamala said she would demand Israel to stop killing civilians, reduce violence.
Harris and Zelensky don't tend to agree with each other
Kamala supports Ukraine and continues support against Russia. Trump will force Ukraine to yield to Putin, rewarding aggressors.
he said he would put both wars to sleep
He said that he will pay off debt. Words of a person who told 30000 lies arent a good source.
He is actually punishing those who supply such a dangerous substance
Kamala does that too. This is not even an argument, since Kamala never argued not to punish said crime.
tax foreign companies
This is what Trump promised to do in 2016. It didnt work 2016 - 2021. It wont work now.
because under his leadership, unemployment was at an all-time low
It was under all time high during Trump. The only one who managed to maintain low unemployment was Biden.
My opponent doesnt blame Trump's performance during covid, but he blames Biden like covid didnt exist in 2021.
He also ignores current war with Russia and economic sanctions having impact on economy of all world countries.
The argument of US performing worse than 95% other countries by covid death rates under Trump was also ignored.
3.
Sources
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
ARGUMENTS
I don't really have much to say about arguments. Pro builds a decent case which rests on Trump's proven track record with the economy, his hardnose approach to immigration, and Harris's checkered history, among other points. I have a hard time giving any credit to Con whatsoever because he never builds out any cohesive narrative with his huge catalogue of facts. He addresses the 'what' but seldom touches on the 'why' or 'how.' In contrast, Pro bolsters his points with specific examples, including Harris's failed withdraw of Afghanistan, her administrative incompetence regarding the border crisis, and Trump's consistent streak of low unemployment. Pro then elaborates further and tries to either explain the significance of his argument (why the issue he is discussing should be considered important) and/or draw a comparison between Trump and Harris. There is little to say about Con's case because it never really goes beyond a loose collection of facts with no clear direction.
SOURCES
Con decides to build his case with a gish gallop of completely unsourced factoids. While he does go back to retroactively source his R1, he makes no effort to establish which sources substantiate which claims. Pro's sourcing was not perfect, but it was obvious he at least tried to format his sources in a manner which was both convenient and eye-pleasing.
LEGIBILITY
Putting one line in between each and every sentence, as if the one line constitutes a paragraph, makes Con's argument practically unreadable at points.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Both r doing well , but one thing that I'm not like to apricate u :
pro do wronge is that , U use positive and negative decisions of trump to say that overall trump is positive and better. Mostly facts that u share is actually not in the favor of trump at all. -1 x 1 = -1 , but over all your logos is very well.
con use facts against trump that r not due to trump leadership
1 + 0 != (is not equal to ) 10 , alright one thing that I like is your pathos is better.
if u say i'm wronge , then apologize to correct u
Short description: A political debate
Trump : enact travel bans for migrants that originate from countries that threaten national security (Gaza STRIP, Yemen, Syria...).
He will block communists and marxists from entering the US
He will also continue to build border barriers and finally block Pro-Hamas Protests by sending deportation officers.
Harris: Will do absolutely nothing new
in simple words my respected Debater : politics is not straight forward line , first thing is that here __ clearly show that __ consider trump a better president becoz at least he say something that's cool thing according to __ but not according to diplomacy , second thing is that the things above , u consider them good policies but its not .
__ argue that Trump would be a better , more capable and efficient president after these policies , these only weaken __ argument , if __ know the ground reality
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>Points Awarded: 1 to pro, 3 to con
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>Reason for Mod Action:
The vote cannot be removed as the voting period has ended. The vote also did not effect the outcome out the debate (otherwise I would have procrastinated far less).
What about the pathos was better and worse would vastly improve the vote. Please do review the voting standards before voting again. That said, the vote by doing a mixed allotment to both sides implies the absence (or at least minimalistic amount) of bias.
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“ It is unfortunate that I must only give a better legibility vote for Pro because the topic itself is highly subjective and thus I cannot give either side the better argument vote.”
Legibility needs to be explained. Like what in con’s case made reading it difficult?
I have no disagreement with that argument allotment. While it could be expanded, not awarding arguments has a much lower burden of explanation.
I disagree with this vote because you say i provide facts that are not in favor of Trump but this is bcuz i wanted to focus on policies which i proved whose was better (Trump). This is the format i wanted to follow but con just started throwing cheap shots without a format, mentioning no format, so i rebuttled and debunked some without breaking character limit while i also threw some of my own directed at Biden. You have to understand that there are things like inflation or federal debt that every single president has increased bcuz it is impossible to decrease. I use these two examples of cheap shots that con threw because con clearly said trump increased inflation and federal tax but it was in fact the other way around completely. As far as Con goes, you say you liked their "pathos" better than mine while they didn't mention any policies bcuz they knew they had nothing to say to save themselves and most of the cheap shots they threw without format were debunked
For all
I am okay with any amount. Do you want that only for first round or for all rounds?
And i would also rly appreciate if we kept characters low, preferably under 5-6k
Two days response time will be hard, but I will manage. I have plenty of material from before.