Instigator / Pro

FishChaser

1577

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Topic

#5633

In Christianity you don't have to avoid sinning to be saved

Status

Finished

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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

FishChaser

Parameters

Publication date: 08.02.2024 12:43AM
Last updated date: 08.23.2024 12:13PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Con

Best.Korea

1233

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Round 1

FishChaser

08.03.2024 09:47PM

Pro

According to Biblical theology there were two covenants that God made with mankind. The first covenant was one in which humans were bound to follow the law of Moses, which consists of 620+ commandments which one would have to follow completely in order to avoid sinning. The second covenant was made when the ONLY human who ever successfully kept the law in full was crucified in order to pay the price for all of mankind's sins on their behalf. Since no human ever other than Jesus kept the law, all would go to hell if it wasn't for God creating this loophole where the only thing you are required to do is believe in the gospel and do "good works". As a Christian, you are NOT required to avoid sinning to be saved because this would mean keeping the law which is not even humanly possible. The average person sins over 1000 times a day because even having a lustful or angry thought is considered sinning. This is why Jesus talks about poking out your own eyeballs and cutting off your hands, because if you try to be saved through the law these are the lengths you would have to go to and you still would fail.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

James 2:10
King James Version
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 2:19-21
King James Version
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Best.Korea

08.03.2024 09:51PM

Con

The average person sins over 1000 times a day

This is not fair. I challenge this point.

How does a baby sin over 1000 times a day?

Round 2

FishChaser

08.05.2024 09:51PM

Pro

Forfeited

Best.Korea

08.07.2024 09:51PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 3

FishChaser

08.09.2024 02:03AM

Pro

Being human is literally a sin according to the law. Getting angry at someone is enough to break the law. If a baby cries because it didn't get to suck on it's mom's tits fast enough then boom it just sinned.

Best.Korea

08.09.2024 12:13PM

Con

Heh

FishChaser

08.09.2024 09:12PM

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@Strawbbycake

That's a very fair position to take.

Strawbbycake

08.09.2024 08:56PM

As a christian, i would say avoiding sin isnt a requirement to being saved, because there are many people that try to do that and are still going to hell.

Since you appear to not be catholic (based on your response to one), i hope we can both agree that although faith is the requirement, a lack of an attempt to avoid sin is evidence that there was no faith, rather than an excuse to not sin. In fact, if you're looking for excuses to sin, you dont love God.

CatholicApologetics

08.02.2024 10:13PM

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@FishChaser

Seems like you went on a little rant in your comment. Since you hold to such strong beliefs, host a debate and 'll gladly participate depending on the topic.

Darq

08.02.2024 01:31PM

When you come to Christianity, aren't you a new creature, of a peculiar people? If you are a new creature in Christ, why should a person stick to habits of themselves before being saved? Either a person hasn't been saved by God, they contradict the bible or they are demonized.

FishChaser

08.02.2024 11:23AM

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@CatholicApologetics

It's too bad because as a Catholic you are a Satan worshipper with many false belief following the teachings of child traffickers who drink the blood of babies but I only want to do rated debates to get my ELO back after corrupt people made biased votes on my debates.

CatholicApologetics

08.02.2024 04:29AM

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@FishChaser

I'd love to accept this debate but I am unable to accept ranked debates yet. If you changed the mode from ranked to regular I'd gladly participate.

CatholicApologetics

08.11.2024 04:07AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro has provided more arguments that align with the position he is defending. Con only challenged one of his arguments: the claim that humans sin over a thousand times a day. Pro effectively used scripture to support his arguments, particularly verses like James 2:10 and Galatians 2:19-21, which reinforce his stance on the nature of sin and the law. His arguments remained consistent throughout the debate, even though Con only challenged one point. This consistency made Pro's position more convincing overall.