Religion should stay out of U.S politics.
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Pro briefly argues that governments making decisions based on logic is better than based on religion because it oppresses people from different religions (which is the smallest problem with theocracy but sure thats a reason too). Pro could have presented more comprehensive case but Con’s responses are nonsensical which lost him the debate in my opinion.
Con, just like Pro states, argues that “if someone is acting out of personal belief, they are acting out of religion. This, of course, is absurd”. Pro is obviously right. Not everything you believe in is a religion. Believing the tomatoes you have in the fridge won’t grow legs and escape in middle of the night is not a religion.
Con tries to redefine “religion” very poorly and makes absurd assertions that are simply false and unjustified. Even if we go by Cons absurd definition of religion Con still didn’t address why it’s better for the government to act based on “beliefs systems” and not based on logic.
Also Con forfeited a round, did not engage too much with Pros objections, and simply stated his position again by repeating what he said in the last round:
“Religion is a belief system.
Point blank.
Case closed”
“Point blank” is not an argument.
The debate settled down into the definition of religion. Pro argued it had to be theological; Con argued it was a more inclusive commitment (religious about sports, school work, etc).
There are 2 definitions that I found in the following link:
https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=673&q=religion+definition&cvid=ea8c1e5328974f01bf08b5149ddca4ca&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEAAYQDIGCAAQABhAMgYIARAAGEAyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBggIEAAYQDIICAkQ6QcY_FXSAQgxODMzajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANNAB1&PC=DCTS
"the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods" (Pro's definition)
"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance" (Con's definition)
I will rate this debate as a tie on the arguments because what both debators should learn is definitions are important. Saying, "America is a Christain Nation" can be interpreted as, "The majority of the US identifies as Christain" or, "America is a Christain theocracy". The former is correct; the ladder is incorrect. Define what you mean before you debate it.
Everything else was roughly the same except for conduct (where Con forfeited a round). If they apologize for a forfeited round by the next round, then I don't take off points. But he didn't, so I did.
Politics operates on belief systems. All that understand politics know this. They also know the dishonesty in politics. Everything concerning people is politics which includes this site as always.
"In god we trust"
yeah, america is doomed trust me bro
If I had a dollar every time someone said not having a religion is a religion….
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Of course that is true, I'm just saying that there culture probably wasn't correct with everything.
By the way, I would appreciate it you could take a moment to vote on this debate. It was unfortunately short.
This is true of them and their culture. If you were a white person alive in 1750 in the US South, then to believe that you would have been as hardcore anti slavery as you are today is naive and foolish. We are all products of our culture.
Let me revise my statement:
Racist homophobic sexist men
->That's why there are so many denominations of Christianity.
And most of these types of Christianity follow the democrat or republican party more than the bible. The bible says to sell all you have and give to the poor AND to stone homosexuals to death if they go gay sex. Left wing churches find the ladder hate speech and right wing churches find the former socialism.
->While I believe, I also understand that the people who wrote scripture were all racist white men.
The Bible was written by a bunch of Middle easterners. If you think they are white, then fine.
I should have specified; I completely understand that my religion may not be correct. I also don't believe, as you claim, that there is one way to follow a religion. That's why there are so many denominations of Christianity. While I believe, I also understand that the people who wrote scripture were all racist white men.
->That is a good point, but then how would we choose what religion is the right religion.
What if I were to say that religions are like jobs; it doesn't matter which one you pick; they will all keep you alive (whether on earth or in the afterlife), but you better have a job and you better do everything that job wants you to do (assuming atheism is false).
You said you are Christain, and the only people that get to make the, "How do we know which religion is the right religion?" argument are atheists. Everyone else assumes their religion is correct.
I just happen to believe atheism is true and if Christianity is real, then that means I would have to abide by all of the horrible bible verses which I don't want to do.
Realized I didn't tag you in the last one
That is a good point, but then how would we chose what religion is the right religion. There is no conclusive evidence for any of them. So, we could also be doing the opposite. For example, a Muslim theocracy takes people away from the Christian faith, and they might be right. And it's vice versa. Your argument can go both ways. We could be saving people, or just as well me damming them.
To play Devils Advocate, lets say god is real, heaven is real, heaven is eternal and intense joy, hell is eternal and intense torment.
A Pure Theocracy causes less people to go to hell and more people to go to heaven. Surely the eternity and the billions of years should matter more than the 75-85 years you live in this planet.