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Schools should not be mandatory
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After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...
itsnotago
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Round 1
Pleasure.
Schools being forced just means that you waste money and resources teaching people who dont want to be taught.
"Schools being forced just means that you waste money and resources teaching people who dont want to be taught".
Wasting money: No you don't.
First reason: The government makes that money back because all jobs nowadays require at least a school diploma and basic knowledge like spelling and let me remind you one thing. Most billionaires were C students not F students so this means that they retained CERTAIN knowledge from school even if they didn't like it there and basically built a base with this knowledge. Everyone pays taxes so basically letting people stay uneducated is not the best decision from an economic standpoint.
Wasting ressources: Again no
As greedy as we can be, school provides knowledge. Knowledge is useful for everyone, even those not interested in it. When you think of school, you think of complex math and physics but that's not all. You learn stuff in theory but also some things practically like imagine u are in a life/death situation and you must know cpr or know what medicine to take without having to pay and wait for a doctor and i'm not talking about very complex medicine or knowledge. These bits also help you participate in discussions that don't require great knowledge like for example ur discussing whether to do a new vaccine. Biology will guide you through the bits of knowledge u remember from school. You also learn other things like how to properly behave or at least be discplined as well as things like recycling, throwing trash in the bin instead of on the streets which helps everyone and lets you become a member of society. Even if they're forced to learn and study, they will acquire certain bits of knowledge at the end of the day.
I know it all sounds a bit mixed up but i'm happy to answer questions.
Round 2
Mandatory schools are a waste of money because society should not focus to educate all children, but just the ones who want it. That way, the ones that dont want to be educated can do what they want instead, and the ones who want to be educated can get more dedication while resources are being saved.
"Mandatory schools are a waste of money because society should not focus to educate all children, but just the ones who want it. That way, the ones that dont want to be educated can do what they want instead, and the ones who want to be educated can get more dedication while resources are being saved".
This way, many teachers and staff lose jobs since some schools are not needed anymore and automatically disappear.
Secondly, not all things in life are meant to be done willingly, some things are for our own good. For example, we don't do taxes just to throw money away, we basically invest them in certain purposes and the government allocates the funds to take care of them. Same applies for school. Most people absolutely hate it but at the end of day little bits of knowledge they retain will protect them from firstly making rash decisions
It also guarantees them a place in society. Society searches for people who think not incredibly knowledgeable people and school sometimes teaches you how to think along with other abilities like i said for example behaving because society usually marginalises non-thinkers, stubborn and clueless people. Remember my example about biology and how it might help save your life. Let's take another domain as an example: Politics. If we were completely clueless about them, we would vote wrong people and basically condemn our countries to destruction.
Furthermore, children and teenagers shouldn't make their own decisions. If asked, 90% of 10 year olds would say he hates school and learning in general but 20 or 30 years later he would look back and burst into tears for his poor decisionmaking because without a dipoma the best job u are going to get is nuclear waste disposal and i'm not discriminating against people for their jobs, i'm just saying that everyone would rather be at least an office clerk than a worker struggling to survive. So we are kinda sacrificing the majority for the minority.
Finally, we are disregarding the parole of parents in this system and the combination of parents and schools is how a child is supposed to be educated. The iq of a ten year old usually is lower than that of a 40 year old unless the kid is einstein so why put decisionmaking as their responsibility when many of them believe santa is real.
Round 3
People dont benefit from years of forced education as much as they lose because of it. They lose over a decade of their lives which they could have used for actual work or life. Most people dont benefit from school at all, and forget almost everything they learn there. Its not worthy to pay money for decades to achieve almost nothing.
"They lose over a decade of their lives which they could have used for actual work or life"
I just explained you to you that work requires basic knoweldge and school gives it and let's talk about life without school. Let's say you choose not to go there and stay home for 10 years. You are stuck, either being a slave of your bosses, working long hours as a child or slacking off playing video games and eating junk food, aka the childhood dream. You aren't occupied by anything useful or productive and your life is based on your own choices and everyone chooses entertainment over school. This entertainment wil become boring if you have it every day and nothing else as an additional activity. 10 painful and boring years go by after which you become a useless human being, struggling to survive because your iq stays the same over the years, you don't evolve like everyone else but also because you have become a slave of your bosses and there's no possibility of you ever ranking up in the professional world. You are deprived of friends and healthy entertainment that school provides and you see all your peers with degrees in their hands, becoming rich and actually doing something with their life while you just stand there and observe or you become one of their low-paid workers and they constantly look down on you for not having attended school. Society marginalises you and neglects your needs for the same reasons. You have the capacities of a child, why should society even trust you participating in decisionmaking and put its fate on your hands while there are educated people who are obviously much more capable and suited for the job. There is a 1% chance u invest something or come up with a revolutionary idea and save youself from this living hell by becoming rich but let's be real u won't.
So why place such huge importance on a decision make as a non-developed and uneducated human being? It's like punishing a human for being naive when he/she was a child and basically saying that: "It's up to you whether you suffer or not choosing temporary pleasure over the ability to actually live your life out". Like i understand making that decision, the responsability of a parent in adulthood but you didn't specify that so iam led to believe u trust he child which is totally absurd, something that i have thoroughly proven.
Again i repeat. In a child's life, it faces hardships, having to do things it doesn't want to. But these are all steps to reach a larger, major goal: Living a happy and prospeous life in the future and were depriving the naive child of that just because he once chose fortnite over math.
Round 4
Forced schools are also a place of child abuse, since children have no choice but to be in the same room as their abuser. Every school usually has a group of children who like to abuse other children. It even enables abusers to pick on weakest children who wont report them and who cant run away or hide from them because they have to go to school almost every day.
It even enables abusive teachers to abuse on a large scale, since emotional abuse happens every day in schools.
Schools are also a place of humiliation, where people constantly get attacked verbally and even physically for any kind of mistake they make, even humiliated and mocked for a simple lack of knowledge.
"Forced schools are also a place of child abuse, since children have no choice but to be in the same room as their abuser. Every school usually has a group of children who like to abuse other children. It even enables abusers to pick on weakest children who wont report them and who cant run away or hide from them because they have to go to school almost every day. It even enables abusive teachers to abuse on a large scale, since emotional abuse happens every day in schools.
Schools are also a place of humiliation, where people constantly get attacked verbally and even physically for any kind of mistake they make, even humiliated and mocked for a simple lack of knowledge".
School is not a place for abuse. If problematic children (bullies) attack others, they are punished and measures are taken to protect the victims meaning those humiliated or abused. As for the teachers, if one is found abusing a child, he is put in jail and all these problematic situations hide behind authorities and school until caught and punished. In a workplace which is in the system u propose, every word of abuse and humiliation is allowed because the educated ones run the place and the non-educated ones work as slaves for them, with low-paying salaries and compensation. As a result,the non-educated ones are always looked down upon and cannot escape criticism since their position in society is low and cannot be changed due to lack of education and qualifications. In school, when criticised for bad grades or mistakes, students or their parents which are ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR PROTECTION have the right to report it to teachers and principals and have the person criticising punished. Their other option is to study and actually become good, escaping all criticism so that they are not called failures and so on. School is a place to experiment and to become better. When you reach adulthood and the time has passed, you cannot change the fact that you're a failure and will live a life of constant shame and verbal abuse.
Round 5
Mandatory schools are forced labor, because children in schools are forced to not only do lots of work for no pay, but their behavior is completely controlled and they are not even allowed to move when they want to and have to ask to go to pee.
Mandatory school is slavery. Since not all children even become adults, some are slaves for their entire life, while others are victims of forced brainwashing in school as well as victims of slavery. In cases where school is not mandatory, the schools and governments actually have to try to attract and keep children in schools, which creates demand to increase the quality of education and service. To say it simply, they have to offer something of quality if they want people to go to their school. It would even get rid of the large number of useless teachers and force the remaining ones to be actually useful and do useful work as opposed to this nonsense we had so far.
Pleasure.
"Mandatory schools are forced labor, because children in schools are forced to not only do lots of work for no pay, but their behavior is completely controlled and they are not even allowed to move when they want to and have to ask to go to pee"
This happens in many situations, for example military education. Similarly to school, it teaches discipline and educates everyone in order to serve a bigger purpose: protecting a country while school's purpose is to prepare you for professional life providing all the necessary knowledge and tools. Just because they are strict about some things doesn't mean that they are forced labor institutions, it's just a necessary part of the education each one provides whic actually benefits the students themselves instead of them being taken advantage of, like in real situations of forced labor
"Since not all children even become adults, some are slaves for their entire life, while others are victims of forced brainwashing in school as well as victims of slavery. In cases where school is not mandatory, the schools and governments actually have to try to attract and keep children in schools, which creates demand to increase the quality of education and service. To say it simply, they have to offer something of quality if they want people to go to their school. It would even get rid of the large number of useless teachers and force the remaining ones to be actually useful and do useful work as opposed to this nonsense we had so far".
Brainwashing is a very controversial subject that we can't really discuss right now, yet i will say it isn't enough of a reason to close schools since the only brainwashing really comes from the teachers, not the school itself and it all depends on what you define as brainwashing. If teachers fill students's heads with controversial ideologies and actually alter the way they think, the teachers should be the ones to take the blame and be removed from schools, not the schools themselves disappear as a result of the teacher's wrongful behaviour. I do agree on your point about increasing the level and quality of education as it is relatively low right now, yet i don't think that throwing teachers away will do the job. There are many alternatives that could be proposed instead of that: For example, taking lower-level teachers and assigning them lower-level schools while the high-level ones take on the high-level students, which isn't all that fair so it also could be the other way around: basically assigning strict teachers to low-performing classrooms in hope that they change something. another idea would be to simply evaluate the level of teachers and fire only the really incompetent ones, and i don't mean the less qualified ones but the ones who are slacking off and not doing any job. If you enter a european public school classroom, in eastern europe, most students have phones in their hands instead of books and the existing teachers seem to be allowing it. I recommend that we send executives that evaluate if a teacher is actually being a teacher since not doing something you're being paid for through taxes of the average working citizen is essentially defrauding. I am not proposing that the government invests more money in education since we all know it isn't going to happen
For one debate, I even wrote 5 rounds with over 70,000 characters in advance.
But yeah, for most debates, I dont put in that much effort.
I just sometimed write 5 rounds in advance, maybe 2000 characters per round, its enough.
Most of the time I actually do engage with opponent's arguments, but it rarely pays off in terms of time I have to spend.
"I strongly suspect that Pro just wrote out all of their rounds in advance, because they keep bringing up new points and don't respond to anything Con said."
I'm pretty sure BK has literally said he does exactly that.
Brandolini's law