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It is usually better to have a kettle and a dildo than to have a frying pan and a school book.
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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...
Benjamin
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This is not a troll debate, understand that the votes will be held to voting moderation, it's a funny debate concept but the debate is 100% serious.
Round 1
Pro
#1
Disclaimer: IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A DILDO IS AND ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CLUE, CLOSE THIS DEBATE NOW!
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I ask that you observe daily life and all the scenarios that can and will arise at varying frequencies and probabilities.
· Boiling
Boiling is a very simple method of water disinfection. Heating water to a high temperature, 100°C, kills most of the pathogenic organisms, particularly viruses and bacteria causing waterborne diseases. In order for boiling to be most effective, the water must boil for at least 20 minutes. Since boiling requires a source of heat, rudimentary or non-conventional methods of heat generation may be needed in areas where electricity or fossil fuels are not available.
I can imagine so many situations where boiled water can benefit you, not just making tea and coffee. Kettles require electricity but can also be heated by gas stove. This means whether your house bill situation favours electricity or gas, you can opt either way. You cannot fry a pan with electricity... At least not unless you're some super fantastic scientist with gadgets to work it around.
With boiling water, you don't need cleaning products much, if all you have in your house is a kettle and a dildo, you can even disinfect the dildo after every single use, no matter what noble cause you used it for!
The frying pan will probably evaporate water or not only that, be very dangerous to handle. Even if you find the exact heat and technique to not evaporate the water, are you going to run around with a frying pan to disinfect everything? Tell me if your life depends on it would you rather use kettle water and combine it with everything else or a frying pan's water?
You can even combine the hot water in a kettle with cold to make a beautiful warm cost-effective shower! That's that shit they don't teach you in high school.
Speaking of school what exactly is the book useful for? One subject? One grade? That's about it. You've got a lump of paper and cardboard that harms the environment for a thing that can be achieved better with online resources.
The average high schooler carries a backpack with about 16 to 20 pounds of textbooks in it, according to a 2004 study by the California Board of Education. The backpack weight peaks in 11th grade, when students carry an overall book weight of 20 pounds, 12.7 ounces. This is about 15.4 percent of the average male weight and about 17.6 percent of the average female weight for that grade.
The surplus weight of the textbooks not only acts as a physical representation of the stress of the work students have to do during the year, but the use of heavy physical textbooks can lead to health problems like chronic back pain, can increase our environmental impact as a school, and can cost more than digital textbooks.
Carrying this much weight every day can bring detrimental health effects. In an interview with the American Chiropractic Association about backpack health and safety, Dr. Scott Bautch said, “In my own practice, I have noticed a marked increase in the number of young children who are complaining about back, neck, and shoulder pain. The first thing I ask these patients is, ‘Do you carry a backpack to school?’ Almost always the answer is ‘yes.’” His findings were not singular. In a study by the Archives of Disease in Childhood in 2012, 61.4 percent of children analyzed had backpacks that were as heavy as 10 percent of their body weight. These children experienced a 50 percent higher risk of back pain and a 42 percent increase in the risk of back pathology. Many students have already been treated for injuries involving backpacks. According to a report by the U.S Consumer Product Safety Commission, at least 14,000 students are treated for backpack-related injuries each year.
A dildo and kettle can't be replaced by anything other than themselves to be as good and versatile at what exactly they do, especially not somethig that weighs less and harms the environment less in how it's made (you can replace a dildo with a more environmentally friendly dildo but that's still a dildo, don't tell me you want to waste a bunch of cucumbers over that, it can even rot).
I ask to you this, reader;
If I am a robber in your house and you have 20 seconds to save your family from being beaten up, abused, robbed, hurt or anything along those lines, you have a kettle that can evenbe used itself to both shield and hurt and project-throw boiling water with a precision a frying pan only equals in defense and that's if you're strong enough to swing it right again and again... then you hav ethe dildo, you can poke the robber int he eye, hold off a knife cushion a bullet even as you run at him/her. This is no joke, I am telling you what is more useful. Answer me.
A frying pan is not a pot it does not have the lid that becomes a convenient shield. If you grab a frying pan, the attacker will also be ready for the obvious shielding or swinging move, you have power but not speed. With a kettle, with water inside it, the robber has no fucking clue how you'll come at him/her/'them'.
This is not a drill, this is real life, real scenario.
Let's say you bring home your spouse or friend over and are broke as hell. You have a kettle and a dildo, do you know how much you can do with that both in terms of drinks, food and intimacy? Much more than a frying pan and 1 school book. Even if you're studying what good is 1 school book as all you have?
Now, let's say you drop something down the toilet, a ring, dildo can get it and if not the spout of the kettle combined with it can pincer it.
Preservation of Nutrients: Boiling foods in water helps retain their nutritional value, as water-soluble vitamins remain in the cooking liquid.
Lower Caloric Content: Boiled foods generally have lower calorie content compared to their fried counterparts, making them a healthier option for weight management.
If you are a broke parent and want to make food for your children just pour kettle water to boil. or even just use the kettle itself to boil food.
Frying pan is unhealthy, don't be a calorie whore.
Con
#2
Thank you, RationalMadman.
Framework:
PRO has the sole Burden of Proof. He has to prove that his two items are better to have in most cases than my two items. I win even if they two sets of items are equally good.
Kettle:
I don’t think you can use a kettle to cook food. At best you might be able to boil 2-3 eggs in there. To boil something as simple as potatoes you need to keep them submerged in boiling water for many minutes, you can't just pour boiling water past them. PRO also says that kettles can be used to craft a makeshift shower, but I would strongly advise against trying that unless you want to incur the risk of third degree burns just for a 2 second shower. Boiling water is not necessary in many countries because the tap water is safe. If you are very poor and live in a village where you don’t even have safe drinking water you are probably not going to have much free time to use the dildo and you definitely can’t spare the precious energy and water to clean it afterwards. The same applies for home invasion. It is obviously not viable to turn your kettle on after the intruders have already entered, and you must have incredible luck for them to arrive during the 20 minute window that the kettle is being used. But even if you have it ready with steaming water it is heavy and clumsy due to the weight of the water. You may burn one of the intruders if you are lucky but afterwards they will definitely take revenge by killing you or at least give you 3rd degree burns as well. It’s even possible that in your attempt to be unpredictable in your fight witht the intruders that you make a mistake and pour the boiling water on yourself.
Frying pan
I agree with PRO that frying pans have excellent striking power. We have video evidence that an old man with just a frying pan can defeat a crocodile with ease. But PRO makes the assertion that you cannot swing a frying pan with sufficient speed and that your opponent will be able to dodge your attacks which is not substantiated. Serious street fighters and weapons experts have done extensive testing and found the frying pan to be excellent weapons with both speed and power. In fact, the frying pan is orders of magnitude better for home defense than the kettle. You will be able to run with it, block knife strikes with it and knock people out. So unless the intruders show up in full plate armor wielding a battle axe, the frying pan will give you a decent chance of defeating them in melee combat. To run AT a gunner with a dildo as shield like PRO described sounds very implausible. But if they do aim a gun at you the frying pan can definitely protect your head while you run to cover. You could even go full Captain America and throw it in their face and knock them out. The pan is always available, way more reliable and versatile and requires no prep-time unlike the kettle.
Uncooked meat is incredibly dangerous to consume, way more so than unboiled water. So unless you are a vegetarian, the frying pan is the superior option to increase your chances of survival. Just drink moderately clean water from a river, plastic container or the sink. Plus, most frying pans come with a lid, so you can actually boil water fairly well with a frying pan. Moreover, you can place the frying pan outside when it rains to collect safe rainwater. The opposite is not true, you cannot prepare meals in a kettle. The frying pan is way more durable and will last much longer than the kettle. In many countries you can just put the frying pan out in the sun and it will heat up to the necesary temperature for free. You can also use it as a hammer.
Dildo:
PRO says that you can pincer a ring in the toilet with his two items but I find that highly implausible and would suggest just using your hands and washing them afterwards. The same goes for poking the eyes of an intruder with the dildo, at that point just use a random rock or tree branch, which are both free and more effective. So really all the dildo can do for you is its intended purpose. But about 50% of the population are straight males and lesbians. So immediately 50% of the population don’t want it. Then we subtract the children, asexuals and elderly who also don’t want to use a dildo. Then we must also consider those who are religiously motivated to abstain from using a dildo, or who never have time for it, or who are sufficiently satisfied by their partners often enough. In many countries like Saudi Arabia, dildoes are illegal or taboo, and females are constantly under supervision by their husbands, brothers or even their own sons -- so for them it is far to dangerous. So the vast majority of people will never be able to get any utility from the dildo. PRO says that dildos cannot be replaced by anything, but that is false. I would argue that a sexual partner is way better than a dildo, or if you don’t have one you could use your fingers. Billions of people have lived and died without ever touching a dildo and they had no problems. So PRO really only has one item that is actually useful.
School book:
PRO mentions some drawbacks of excessive backpack weights. But if you have a school book, it means you are currently getting educated or have already become educated. That means you are going to earn more money which allows you to attract more desirable sexual partners and buy higher quality dildos and even a good kettle as well. Back pain aside, education is one of the major predictors of quality of life, and has numerous incredible benefits: “Americans with a college education report they are happier, healthier and enjoying a higher quality of life than respondents with a high school education or less”. The potential harms of book-based education are more than made up for by its benefits. Even if we assume that you are not educated, and just randomly have a school book, it ist still very useful because you can sell the book. School books in university and college are generally highly valuable. And they can be resold easily for a good price, especially if you have taken good care of it. With that money you can buy both a kettle and a dildo with cash left to spare. But in the vast majority of cases, people with school books will be educated, which makes them more attractive as partners and employees. So after selling the book you are now educated and have a frying pan, kettle and dildo and some extra funds. Way better than being broke and surviving purely on coffee.
Conclusion:
The dildo is useless for most humans. The kettle is actually very usefull, but the frying pan and school book are even more usefull and better to have. So the resolution fails.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Scope Issue
The debate's scope is 1 of each object, my opponent is violating not only this but even the 'usually' part in multiple ways.
Usual:
Better:
more advantageous or effective
The usual person has no martial arts training:
... around 1.6% of the Australian population took part in a combat sport in the previous 12 months. (Source: see page 39 of the report on sports injuries: Page on aihw.gov.au)That ties in with a number of around 1% for UK adult participation from the General Household Survey.
Sure, I reckon Asian countries have a higher percentage but we are talking training through to adulthood. Which leads me into the next point... Age.
My opponents' debate starts mixing around an old man fighting a crocodile with some schoolchildren. Does 1 school book in the hand of a 20 year old who is out of school matter anymore?
A dildo makes a great throwing toy for a child and is a good sexual education tool so you can't just rule out any age group from that. It's actually a great way to convince a teenage girl to not go around getting pregnant.
Still, in 2019, 38.4 percent of all high school students reported that they had ever had sexual intercourse. Adolescent sex can result in pregnancy or sexually transmitted infections (STIs) that affect young people’s overall and reproductive health. Adolescents ages 15-24 account for nearly half of the 20 million new cases of STIs, also called sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), each year.2 No STI is harmless, and many can cause infertility and even death if left untreated.2
Scope alone wins me the debate on so many fronts if you start to grasp it.
I am telling you, whether you're afflicted with micropenis and can't please you're woman or you're a big bad schlong wielder and want it in your own butt, even if you want to practise juggling or use it as a throwand fetch toy for your pet dog, there's nothing as heartwarming for the mother of the household and all others in it too as the dildo. Unlike a vibrator, the dildo doesn't even give here this sensation you can't compete with, it sits there, doing its job while you work your ass off and come home too tired to fuck. If you're sick with the flu and don't want her to catch it and don't want her banging your bully neighbour with the ripped bod, look no further than the household dildo.
It keeps families together, marriages secure and you know what?
Please let me quote this fine lady:
I did notice there were more reviews about dildos than reviews about vibrators in my recent readings of sex toy reviews. There were many woman that commented they would rather buy a dildo for personal sexual use as it reminds them of a said partner, others stated it helps with the fantasies they have of another person.
Since dildos also come in vibrating versions, those women who respectfully love vibration sexual therapy should try a vibrating dildo or squirting dildo for a more realistic personal pleasure approach.
You can get really kinky with dildos too. Most are equipped with a suction cup base which can be safely placed on a flat surface such as furniture, walls, and tables.
Another great reason to choose a dildo is that they are mostly strap-on harness compatible and are versatile in a women-on-women session or male-on-female sessions for double penetration or E.D. aide.
There are also dildos which you can purchase from an Adult Toy Store like Cupid Boutique that effectively help you with pegging your male partner. These strap-on harness kits come with a perfect sized dildo which will provide the utmost in pegging pleasure. So with so many reasons to use a dildo, it is not surprising that the amount of woman or men who admit they use dildos is increasing by the years.
that's right there's not even a true dilemma! VIBRATING DILDOS EXIST, BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT!
So the question is this.
Whether you're in a sexless marriage trying to keep the household happy and together or you're in a household invasion fending off the invader, what does the 98% person do? Swing a frying pan around like a ninja? They pour hot boiling water or try to knock the other out with ease.
In fact, for weight lifting, a kettle lets you fill varying millilitres of water (1ml is 1 gram) to experiment with different weights, you can literally use it as a strengthening aid along your journey if you're into martial arts.
Furthermore, in general your house isn't being invaded, least of all by a crocodile. Let's be realistic.
My opponent says oh no we need things to help us store and cook with boiling water. Sure, yes, we can drink tap water too (who said to drink boiling water instead? Not me...) but do you know the catch?
With everything you do with a kettle, either the utensil to assist itself is extremely resuable and easy to clean (pot, mug etc) or the kettle itself is, in fact you can just let it collect calcification if you don't care. Dildos need rinsing, which the kettle can help with disinfecting with ease due to the hot water. On the other hand, frying pans are nightmares to clean, they spit a lot of oil while frying, requiring you to get a splatter screen that itsel fisn't easy to clean, let alone if you don't have one, they themselves arent easy to clean as water doesnt mix with oil and the utensils you need are often expensive if very resuable or cheap and get done in after a couple burns or drops.
Either you have a big frying pan, which is ridiculous to swing around in general and is cumbersome but cooks a lot or you have a small one, which lets you cook far less.
The school book will always be relevant to only one subject, one syllabus for one full grade (AKA academic year). That's just not worth it. In general the value and versatility of that is ridiculous. Kettles and dildos last lifetimes.
Frying pans? You better have spent a lot and take good care, don't you dare scratch that teflon coating:
Not all non stick pans are created equal, so they can range in length of life. While most non stick pans last an average of two to three years, pans of a poorer quality may yield fewer uses before the non stick coating wears off. Alternately, higher quality pans may last longer than three years with the right care.
Proper care and maintenance, storage, and cleaning will elongate the lifespan of your non stick pans. When purchasing a new pan, read the accompanying user’s guide for important information like whether the pan is oven safe and what temperature it can safely reach.
The debate is meant to be about humans as a whole, the usual humans are only a minority schoolchildren and for only some of them will any one specific school book matter. Please consider this. My opponent is totally changing scope, don't lose sight of what matters, family unity with a satisfied wife, pegged husband and lovely tea/coffee.
Con
#4
Scope
PRO claims that I have violated the scope of the debate without substantiation. I have only discussed the four items and their utility for different people.
Frying pan
PRO gives us a false dichotomy that the frying pan must be either useless for cooking or useless for self defense based on what size it has. That is patently false. The man in the video was able to swing a very large frying pan at the crocodile with great speed and power. And this man was an old geezer with terrible technique who only used one hand. Anyone between the ages 18 and 80 will be able to swing the frying pan fairly quickly and with great striking power, no martial arts expertise needed.
PRO argues that a crocodile is not a common threat. Try telling that to the 1000 people killed by crocodiles each year. Plus, PRO is missing the point even if his assertion was correct. The point is that PRO was lying about the effectiveness of frying pan for self-defense, and wrongfully asserting that the kettle was better, which I clearly demonstrated to be false. "Skin-crawling videos of writhing rodent masses have been shared around the world along with reports of patients bitten in hospital, destroyed machinery and swarms running across roads en masse." [france24]. What, you think you can beat back a horde of rodents with some hot water. Think again. What if there is a giant spider in your house in australia? Or a snake? Maybe even a street dog or cheetah which is very common in India. When that happens to your family you are going to wish that you had a sturdy frying pan.
Food
You can prepare almost any food using a frying pan, and there are multiple ways to cook with it [wikihow]. Here are 45 especially delicious recipies that you can make in a frying pan.
Cleaning
Frying pans are very easy and cheap to clean. You literally just brush them with some soap after using them. If this is to complicated for you I doubt you will be able to use a dildo.
Longevity
PRO fails to realize why no-stick frying pans are so popular. Because the benefits of easy and more convenient cooking far outweights the shorter life span.
School book
PRO argues that the school book loses utility after you have finished your education. Even if that was true, to have already received an education is obviously better. It will increase your quality of life, your pay rates, your social status and happiness. PRO is siginificantly undercutting the school book by totally ignoring the value of education. Furthermore, PRO's premise is wrong. Even after you are finished with school the book retains its utility in the form of monetary value that will never be significantly diminished. There will always be new students looking to buy school books slighty cheaper than the newly printed ones. A college textbook costs on average 105$, and you will be able to sell it for at least half the price in most cases. You can then browse a variety of kettles on Amazon. Some are as cheap as 12$, so you can also add a dildo and a kitchen knife into the cart and pay for shipping as well. PRO ignores this argument but that is a tactical blunder of astronomical proportions, because there is no way kettle+dildo is better than kettle+dildo+frying pan+kitchen knife+cash+expanded job opportunities. PRO has to deal with this argument.
Kettle
I reiterate that during 95% of the day your kettle will be turned off and won't be ready with boiling water for home defense. I also extend that with a kettle you won't be able to make decent meals, and you will definately have to live as a vegeterian since you cannot cook meat in a kettle. When it comes to clean water most people will just drink tap water. But the frying pan will also allow you to boil water even if that is not its specialty. PRO says that drinks for a date are very usefull but who in their right minds would want to use a dildo while drinking coffee or tea. No, what you are going to want is a casket of nice beer and a steak, which requires you to have a frying pan and the money from high-paying jobs which are unlocked by the education that your book implies you have.
Cleaning
PRO asserts that you don't realy need to put in effort to maintain the kettle but that is flat out wrong wrong. Unless you clean it regularly it will get nasty and inefficient.
Water contains minerals and as it boils, some of those minerals get left behind and fall to the bottom of the kettle. This is particularly problematic if you live in an area with hard water—meaning there are lots of minerals in your water. Over time, these scales, also called “furring,” will gunk up the heating element and cause your kettle to be inefficient. [countryliving]
To clean a kettle is way harder than a frying pan. You'll need an acidic compound. For example, one method requires you to have distilled white vinegar, mixing it evenly with water, boil it for 20 minutes, then rinsing the kettle and even then there will still be scales and gunk inside the kettle that you will need a special sponge to remove [ibid].
Weightlifting
Using a kettle for weightlifting is incredibly impractical and you are almost guaranteed to spill water over yourself sooner or later and then you will stop using it for that purpose. Just do 100 pushups, 100 situps, 100 squats and a 10 mile run every day and you won't even need to hit the gym. Without a frying pan you won't even be able to prepare enough protein rich meat and so you won't see any benefit from weightlifting.
Survival
I reiterate that you need food to survive. You cannot live on coffee and sex alone, as much as PRO wants it to be true. What are you going to make with your kettle? Instant noodles and coffe? That will get boring and unhealthy real quick, and don't expect to pull any hotties or retain any wives with that menu.
Dildo
PRO does not respond to the criticism that a huge majority of people would not ever want to use a dildo. If you are a straight male and you own a dildo then that is useless to you. Your wife will have her own dildo if she wants to use one, there is no usefullness of having another one that the man in the house owns. If you have a hot chick over and you pull out your own dildo to use on her then you are definately going to creep her out and ruin the entire evening. PRO says to stick it up your own ass but that is gay. PRO also says that the dildo will allow you to retain the interest of your wife despite having a micropenis. Since RM does not offer any sources for this claim I can only assume that he is talking from personal experience.
Dangers
PRO mentions STDs but he does not substantiate the claim that having a dildo is going to prevent you from getting one. That would be a condom which is not the same. Furthermore, using the dildo the way that PRO describes, using it on yourself and others during the same session and on multiple partners that is actually very dangerous [nhs]. PRO complains about the process of cleaning a frying pan but to avoid chlamydia syphilis herpes bacterial vaginosis shigella hepatitis B hepatitis C HIV and AIDS you will need to wash it thoroughly every time you drag it out before you stick it in again. Plus there are many dangers even if you do your best because any scratches you fail to detect will allow bacteria to hide from the boiled water and give you the aformentioned diseases. Furthermore, many bacteria survive the cleaning process and stick around for 24 hours to infect you next session. Vibrating dildos are even worse because they contain bateris and you cannot just dump them in boiling water each time. There are also numerous way to harm yourself physically while using a dildo.
Scientists in the United States are warning that most sex toys on the market haven't been properly assessed for health risks, even though the materials they contain are potentially toxic and strictly regulated among kids toys. All these sex toys were found to contain phthalates; a group of widely used chemicals that can be detrimental to human health. At high enough concentrations, they are known to damage the liver, kidneys, lungs, and even the reproductive system. [sciencealert]
So not only are dildos not reducing any health risks as PRO was trying to imply, but to the contrary, they strongly increase chances of serius harm in various ways.
Round 3
Pro
#5
there is no way kettle+dildo is better than kettle+dildo+frying pan+kitchen knife+cash+expanded job opportunities
I want to discuss the potential of one schoolbook.
The scope of debate is 1 of each. Con hasn't stated which school book, or which school, grade nor expertise it applies to.
In fact over 80% of the stuff Con insists I haven't replied to comes down to scope alone. We are talking about 1 of each item only. Not all of them and one of every variety. Furthermore, we are talking about across all situations what is usually better not what niche scenario Con can come up with to make them better nor me myself.
We are of course both using examples to highlight how they're better, that's not what I'm saying can't be done. You have to explain why consistently across many scenarios, 1 of your pair of items is usually better than the other. To get the kind of benefits from 1 school book that Con is alluding to, you'd have to be at least having 3, why 3? Because it has to at least be enough to get majority for a qualification or alternatively be enough to cover every subtopic of a major topic which generally would only be done by 3. That's also only if those 3 book applies so well to the specific career you end up with. Con keeps talking like 1 school book opens all these doors for all schoolchildren to later achieve well in life but 1 school book is all you have, in this debate. You have 1 out of all of the textbooks or whatever variety of school book you can imagine. You have one only.
Con is unironically using 4 seconds on repeat of this 45 second magazine-esque news video to back up the entire claim that you can wield a frying pan that's big enough to cook well in fast and powerful enough to fight off invaders. I intentionally didn't go into the video in Round 2 to both save characters and hope Con got the hint. This old man did not swing that pan fast, he did swing it powerful. The video is slightly slow motion I admit that but even if you speed it up (which you can do with YT) that speed will 0%, not even 1%, 0% work against any home invader or whatever variety of attacker unless they're rather slow themselves. You're swinging in such an obvious way.
I wanted to fundamentally refuse to use gimmicky videos as evidence but I want to show you something.
I admit very few videos explore using a kettle because firstly hammers etc are way better (offense is the best defense ethos) and a pot is superior to both a kettle and a frying pan if we talk defensive style home weapon due to the combination of the lid and the fact that it works one-handed much better.
You will notice that the man in the video Con shows had to use both his arms to even begin to swing that powerfully with the frying pan. You can with one arm do a lot with a kettle. If it's a stove-kettle and you have a towel at hand or it's got a decent handle-protection on it, they often are metal meaning they themselves heat up making it a hot weapon to hit with on top of itself.
Now, usually you are not defending a home invasion but both debaters agree it's a factor in this albeit as a minority part of what 'usually' consists of.
What instead is much more useful is eating and exercising towards being healthy enough to handle said fight and daily activities as well.
I did not bring this up earlier as this is not part of my constructive but there is something called a kettlebell in resistance training:
This of course is not identical to an actual kettle, you grip it differently because the handle of a kettle has to be held sideways for it to be safe to not release water (unless it has a super secure lid that lets you hold it horizontally like that). My point is that the concept of resistance training with an object shaped like a kettle that weighs something beyond 'easy to swing around' is a genuine thing thatis incorporated with the kettlebell concept. All freeweights are loosely based on motions that a bell-ringer had to do, that's why they end in 'bell' but the kettle bell is more resembling of a 'teapot without the spout' (which is fundamentally what a kettle's shape is based on) and there is pretty much no denying that if it comes to handling a home invasion you'd need to be fit.
On the topic of health, we have the dildo and STDs. I did not say you need a dildo to not get STI/D I talked 'usually better'. You can even get a third of STIs from kissing itself btw, however you really think during oral most people are wearing the condoms? Genital-to-mouth can spread STI/D and that's the biggest method it actually spreads because most people don't realise it.
^ a source in case you don't believe so many STIs spread through oral sex.
My opponent will probably double down on this in the final Round saying to increase sex education and have a happy sex-active adolescence but my point was the dildo is miscategorised as an adult-only taboo toy. It actually would be a much more useful idea to make masturbation itself far less taboo, especially for females, since then the deep urge to have sex for the sake of sex is at least reduced on teenage girls.
This assumes no guys enjoy exploring the receiving anal. That's obviously not true and I decline such assumption as pegging and gay sex are of course 'things' that enough guys enjoy it for it to matter on this topic. There is no survey I can find that combines pegging enthusiasts with gay men statistics where only the 'bottoms' or 'vers that receive anal' are measured. I also think many lie on such surveys meaning the pegging one, nowhere near enough pegging enthusiasts actually proudly offer themselves up for such surveys because they're embarassed, it's more shamed than gay sex these days in the West.
When we talk about what's usually better, we have to consider versatility. One kettle and one dildo are extremely versatile and reusable with cleaning both being as easy as... cleaning. They help cook, disinfect and enjoy a much easier-to-handle sex life for any situation with a single woman or low-libido-male-partner-of-woman, not to mention tiny dick man.
It's very important to understand that the frying pan and school book are terribe in versatility and easy-reusability. Not only is cleaning a frying pan far more cumbersome to handle, even using it to heat things itself involves 'spit' juggling amounts of oil where too much and too little is a constant shifting thing and the heat too. You have one school book not multiple.
Thanks for reading voters, please take your kettle make a tea/coffee, grab your dildo and enjoy voting on this debate.
Con
#6
Thank you for the debate RationalMadman.
Scope
PRO is arguing that having 1 book is not enough but that is not the point. He claimed himself that the scope is based on what is usual and normal. And in 99% of cases, having a school book means you have received, are receiving or planning to receive an education. To have a school book but no education is extremely rare. Almost everyone with a school book are going through life as educated people, which is an incredible advantage. But having a kettle and dildo does not imply any such advantages.
Probability of being educated given (school book) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probability of being educated given (kettle and dildo) but (no school book)
So people with a school book are on average way more educated than people with just kettles and dildos. The work opportunities alone are more valuable than any two household items.
Frying pan
Cooking
PRO does not dispute that the frying pan allows you to create a variety of delicious dishes. He claimed the frying pan is unable to boil water, but it can actually be used that way.
Self defense
This is an important argument since PRO himself argued this as a benefit of kettles. He has failed to refute that even old man can swing a large frying pan with one hand hard and fast enough to fend of a charging crocodile. PRO does not even dispute that weapons experts and street fighters have proven the frying pan to be an excellent weapon.
Training
PRO simultaniously claims that a frying pan is to heavy to swing around, and that the kettle is better for training. This makes no sense. A heavy frying pan would be great for training.
Cleaning
PRO claims it is hard to clean a frying pan but that is absurd. Its as easy as scrubbing it with some soap.
Kettle
Self defense
PRO claims that it is a good weapon for self defense but could not find a single example of kettle self defense. That is because everyone prefers the frying pan over the kettle in a pinch.
Training
You cannot use a kettle as a kettlebell since you will just spill water all over you. Plus you are not supposed to angle it that way and put that much stress on the handle, it will break.
Cleaning
PRO claims the kettle is easy to clean and that you don't even need to do so. My sources demonstrate the opposite being true. Frequent cleaning is both crucial and quite complicated.
Food
You cannot live just on drinks and sex. The kettle owner wont be able to prepare protein rich dishes, and thus will struggle to even survive and definately wont be able to put on muscle.
School book
Monetary value
PRO does not dispute that a single school book is worth potentially more than 100 dollars. Anyone with a school book can sell it and buy a kettle and a dildo, and now have 3 items + cash.
Education
By the standard of "what is usually the case" that PRO himself embrased, we know that having only one school book means you have already finished your education and are working on selling your books, or are just starting and have yet to buy the other ones you need. The case where you have only one school book and therefore will not be educated is literally the type of "niche scenario [one] can come up with" that PRO condems as falling outside the scope of the debate.
Dildo
Limitations
PRO totally ignores my argument that females will have their own dildos if they want to use one during sex and that there is no need for the guy to also bring along his own dildo.
Benefits
PRO claims that dildoes reduce teenage sex rates and improves family cohesion. He also said that having a dildo will help you keep your wife from leaving or cheating even if you have a micropenis. Even when asked, PRO provided or no evidence or supporting arguments for any of these claims, so voters are obligated to discard his assertions as mere conjecture.
Cleaning
The process of disinfecting a dildo is cumbersome and must be repeated ad nauseum during sex. So when you drag it out of the hole you will have to start the kettle, wait 20 minutes, then disinfect it, dry it with a perfectly clean towel, then stick it in again, and repeat the process for every new hole. You also need to store it somewhere 100% sterile.
Harms and dangers
PRO claimed that dildos helped reduce chances of STD. That is not only false, but the opposite of the truth. For the 99% of people who do not perfectly clean the dildo every single time, the chances of getting infected with STDs are dramatically increased. But even if you are vigilant and thorough, there is still a high likelyhood that undetected damaged on the dildo, resilient bacteria or just plain bad luck are going to make it happen anyways. There is also the issue of physical damages which is very common.
Summary
PRO defines better as "more advantageous", not "most pleasureable", so his case falls apart immidiately. The value of education and physical training far outweighs any pleasure that can be obtained by kettle and dildo. The school book means you are going to live your life as an educated person, and the frying pan allows you the ability to cook protein rich meat that you will need to grow a healthy and strong body. The kettle and dildo will not enable you to eat healthy and have a succesfull career. Instead of that, PRO wants us to live as broke coffeine and sex addicts.
If you can sell a school book and buy both a kettle and a dildo with the money you gain, which you definately can, then the school book and frying pan combination can be switched for frying pan AND dildo + kettle, which is definitely better than JUST kettle + dildo. PRO has not even tried to dispute this most crucial argument, so voters cannot in good faith vote PRO.
Conclusion
My items are way better than PRO's items. But even if you think the resolution is true, PRO has made a terrible case with numerous lies and inconsistencies he failed to correct.
RM does not deserve a vote this time.
Vote CON!
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
I think this debate could have been much easier to argue (and judge) if there was some agreement regarding what else is available to the persons with each of these items. Maybe it would have made more sense if it had been clarified up front (and both sides should have worked on this) what someone would “usually” have access to in order to determine what’s missing from those circumstances and how these particular items could fill those needs. If someone has regular access to clean water and an assortment of pots and pans, then the kettle doesn’t serve much of a unique function. If someone has regular access to the internet or a library, then a single school book doesn’t serve much of a unique function. At several points, both sides try to dictate what should and should not be considered “usual,” but the scattershot approach makes it very difficult to come down on a single view, which is what makes deciding this so difficult. Different circumstances change the game dramatically.
And here is where I’ll address a couple of niggling issues brought up by Con. The possibility of selling an item does seem outside of the scope of this debate. If it was within the scope of it, then Pro could simply establish that he had the most expensive dildo and/or kettle as his items, which would likely price higher than the book, and afford him the ability to buy everything he could ever need. It breaks the structure of the debate and I think Con had to do more to justify doing so. Similarly, while it could be argued what the background of the individual with these items would be, I think the fact that they have these particular items doesn’t imply anything about the individuals who have them. It may be more likely that someone who has a school book is a student, but the absence of a book doesn’t make them less likely to be a student. More importantly, since the debate is over whether these items improve their circumstances rather than an array of other factors that could also influence their outcomes, it comes down to the use of those items, not assumed other factors, to determine who wins this debate.
It also doesn’t help that there seems to be a split between arguing about basic survival and facilitating a generally improved lifestyle. Neither side makes any effort to weigh these points against one another, so you’re inviting your voters to weigh in. To me at least, survival seems like the most basic element here: if a person dies because they don’t have one of these items on one side, then that impact matters most to the debate. Both sides treat the threat on one’s personal safety as though it is an ever-present concern, so protecting oneself from active threats of death as well as being able to prepare sustenance are the more pressing concerns established in the debate, and therefore the ones I view as highest impact. So while sexual gratification, family structures and sex education may be important for mental health and wellbeing, and while STDs affect long-term health, they are minor impacts in this debate. Similarly, while reading a book might offer numerous avenues to success, those benefits are all so long-term and tenuous that they end up being minor. If there had been more exploration of the dildo as a tool of self-defense or if the specific contents of the book could have been discussed as a means of survival, maybe these would have remained important. Absent any argument that these benefits outweigh the much more pressing concerns I’ve mentioned, these two vanish into the background.
That just leaves the cooking implements. Both can sterilize water (the kettle is made specifically for that purpose, but the skillet can still perform it), so that’s non-unique. Both have issues with cleaning – a kettle requires more intensive cleaning, whereas cleaning a skillet can impact the skillet’s span of usefulness. The kettle can potentially be used as a means of training, though this is a long-term survival issue and the amount of benefit you can get from it, given the possibility of breaking the kettle or spilling water during training, is unclear. Both can cook different things, though the skillet is more diverse in terms of what you could prepare with it. In terms of self-defense, the kettle does retain heat for longer afterward if it has water in it. Still, the shape and size of the skillet does lend itself better to self-defense as demonstrated in the video, even if not everyone could wield it well (the same problem exists with the kettle – it’s not exactly simple to wield a kettle full of hot water without burning oneself, and even then, it wouldn’t constantly be under heat).
I end up voting for Con. The skillet has the edge in variety of food preparation and self-defense. If longer term issues were better weighed against these, they almost all favor Pro, but given that we somehow have to arrive at a point where the dildo can provide all those benefits, it’s not enough to outweigh Con’s benefits.
dude genuinely fuck you this was a totally unnecessary thing to do
wtf man
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For any non-moderator the vote would be fine. As a moderator, I'd grade it as at worst borderline.
The problem becomes that I keep second guessing it, and in light of that I've realized that paid too much attention to factors not presented inside the debate.
The big thing is I generally treated this debate as comedy. In comedy dildos win by a landslide, just because of the image of someone holding one (an image not presented by either debater). This isn't to say pro did not do a good job showing how they can poke someone in the eye in a fight, and keep the family together, but I'm not even sure if I graded the sanitation issues con raised to counter them.
That said, I can revote, and I still /might/, but I have a couple projects to focus on this weekend and have to complete them first before I lose myself in this debate.
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Barney
02.26.2024 01:05AM
#1
Reason:
I'm pretty close to the fence on this one. They talked past each other more than I would have liked, with pro being the worse offender. Plus by a good margin I prefer con's structure. I'd have liked more details in the setup, as maybe one more round.
To me the pan obviously beats the kettle.
It's taking me a bit to put my finger on it, but the dildo comes ahead of the textbook largely for feeling that it's valuable within one's life, whereas the text book is treated as something to be gotten rid of quickly with no focus on uses if kept (and both paths could be explored in the same debate; just not assuming both at once). And there was this weirdness of the desire to get rid of the book to acquire a dildo and kettle (that intuitively says it's better to have those things than a textbook).
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Singular or plural: Singular
I initially thought pro was over reacting when talking about scope, but cross checking the resolution he's got a valid point that it's singular items instead of groups of them.
"Not all of them and one of every variety" goes against the grain of a few of his points, such as some dildos vibrate, but I get it. It's not the selective best for each possible situation, were this a video game then it'd just one potentially randomized set for a roguelike dungeon.
Con argues we should look more at the types of people who would have these items (someone with a book is most likely someone who will earn more money), but that feels just outside the direct scope. This is implicitly backed by his own arguments about cleaning difficulties and potential partners might not be into tea/coffee/pegging (we don't assume they have the perfect partner and special cleaning supplies).
Earnings: Textbook
Con argues schoolbooks are better because education is good for earnings, and is able to hold some ground that there's good value in even a single one. While it's argued items should be sold to buy the items of the other side, that feels like a needless kritik which concludes with (pan + kettle + dildo) > (kettle + dildo), which feels outside the spirit and scope of the debate.
Pro argues at least 3 are needed to actually pass those classes, which doesn't undermine the ~$55 value, but it defends well against the assumed better lifetime earning potential.
NOTE: Students tend to have debt, which pro should have used as a backup to his scope arguments.
Defense: Pan
Surprised it took until the final round before the rarity of these situations was mentioned.
Kettles can be used for physical fitness if no other tools are available, and that makes you far better at defending yourself (seems unlikely for the average person, even while it's a cool historical note). They also risk burning yourself if hot, but can be an unpredictable and unexpected improvised weapon to be wielded in a variety of wars (handle, power cord, used with a towel, etc,).
A dildo can poke a robber in the eye, block a knife swing, or even shield yourself from guns... Useful, but none of it implies actually winning such a fight (the shock factor of it would have worked)
The pan on the other hand is properly suited as a weapon, such that an old man could fend off a crocodile (I'd have preferred less focus on this one example). Honestly, a lot of it boils down (pun intended) to the simple likelihood of successful use without hurting yourself.
Cooking: Pan
It can pretty much cook anything. The kettle can likewise do a lot, but there's nothing it can cook that a pan cannot (even if suboptimal for boiling water).
Cleaning: Kettle
A kettle assists with cleaning nearly everything; it can even potentially be paired up with the dildo /somehow/.
Relations: Dildo
While the pan can cook a nice meal, the dildo apparently holds families together etc. Con accused pro's claim of making up for a micropenis to be from personal experience, and then acted as if he had depended a source; which is not the same thing. Also not sure why a man being gay would be a problem, not that a men pleasuring themselves makes them gay; but I did understand the point of highlighting insecurities.
A big mistake con makes is even at the end he treats the assumption of finding partners for the dildo as a likely occurrence "PRO wants us to live as broke coffeine and sex addicts"
I... honestly have no idea how to respond to that. I'm not sure we can get on the same page at this point, given that that last response has basically nothing to do with what I just said, so I'm just going to stop here.
You are wrong. That's a pointless thing to overly invest in as frying pan cooks food which is my opponent's main angle.
My point was that you could have argued that other impacts matter more or, absent that, put more focus and attention on the ways that a kettle and dildo could enhance your chances of survival. You let yourself get too spread out in your analysis and you didn't argue why the impacts you did focus on are paramount. Both of you could use work in that regard.
Yeah I failed to argue you don't die without a pan and school book. My bad.
In paragraph 3, I detailed what specific impacts stood out to me as the most important in the debate and why.
I dont see anything close to that mentioned in the RFD, you actually dedicate ebparagraph saying how you struggle to weigh this due to the chaos of the resolution.
I made very clear how I was weighing things early in my RFD. That final line doesn't change how that weighing calculus works, nor does my acknowledgement of the pairs of items.
If the dildo has many long term benefits above all others my pair wins btw. You are splitting it into 4 instead of 2 pairs. Think very hard about your RFD's ending line.
Please break this tie ty
How do you weigh arguments? Seems arbitrary but fine, that's how it works here.
". Everyone already k own that boil is when the water starts rolling after being exposed to heat after a while." #7 (In reply to the user WYLTED 's comment that can not be currently mentioned due to not being online currently)
If by this part of the comment you mean "Everyone already knows that boil is when the water starts rolling after being exposed to heat after a while"
then I'd disagree. Boil by Oxford definitions as a verb means "(with reference to a liquid) reach or cause to reach the temperature at which it bubbles and turns to vapor" and this definition gives off a different idea from this part of the comment that you have written.
A boil can be defined as "reach to reach the temperate at which it bubbles and turns to vapor" if you're referring to a liquid, especially when you're referring to water since it is a liquid.
This, however, can only be imagined as temperature not involving time in order to boil but rather to have time to boil temperature(This isn't exactly relevant to having the definition of boil, but it is an explanation).
It is not when the water starts rolling after being exposed to heat for a while. It is when the water reaches the temperature at which it bubbles and turns to vapor (which doesn't exactly state the time or such, because when defining "boil" as a verb in the Oxford definition mentioning the period is not necessary).
Even the definition of boil as a noun "the temperature at which a liquid bubbles and turns to vapor" also does not mention the period within. It's just not exactly necessary to have within this definition, perhaps you may be confusing something else for "boil" which is why as a result, you weren't referring to the definition "boil" and you may be referring to something else. I presume is because of sociolinguistic reasons in general, those sociolinguistic reasons can include.. people who set that definition to be, and it's probably because of how those people consider the definition of "boil" as well as how they consider its origins that are generally considered by people. This general consideration can have those professionals who have professions that also include "temperature" in relevance, especially the professionals who have thermodynamics as a profession, especially the professionals who have chemistry as a profession.
I'm providing this clarification because it is important to recognize the difference between things, especially words. Mistaking the recognition of the difference of a thing will improperly deliver your means and expressively "ruin the equation and force you to start the equation again". Not only that, but it will bring upon misconceptions when using the word "boil" incorrectly or unsuitably.
Dildo is arguably the most valuable member of society! That said, frying plans are king of the kitchen.
ty for the vote, no need to re-vote.
I literally cant vote on this because I am too biased against school book and frying pan, I hate fried food, and I do consider dildo a valuable member of society.
Thankfully there’s a couple weeks of voting remaining, so I’ll plan on re-reading the debate when it’s not so late at night.
"""there was this weirdness of the desire to get rid of the book to acquire a dildo and kettle (that intuitively says it's better to have those things than a textbook)."""
Is this how you interpreted my argument? I thought I was pretty clear that in saying that the school book is worth more than both of those to items combined. Imagine if I said its better to have a million dollars than to have an average house, because the money allows you to buy a house and more. Would you interpret that as me saying that an average house is better than a million dollars? I actually never even said that you SHOULD buy the kettle and dildo, just that you COULD.
I respect your right to weigh our arguments against each other but I just don't think that it is a fair interpretation of my argument.
---R2 Impressions (modified from R1)---
Kettle:
+ electric, or stovetop
+ ease of use,
+ water cleaning (but not essential in developed areas with safe water) -> can clean dildo
- unpredictable for home defense (risk of burning self makes this a negative)
- very limited use in cooking
- dangerous to use for showers
+ weight lifting -> Not part of One Punch Man's workout routine.
- not all romantic partners like coffee/tea (sucks to be them)
- requires periodic cleaning (like everything else)
Pan:
+ stovetop only
- no electric
+ home defense -> but unlikely to be skilled -> skill not required
+ cooks meat and other larger items
+ collects rainwater
- possible teflon (feels like this meant to go into the dangers, but caught that those are outdated) -> non-stick are easier to cook with and clean
+ ultimate defense against crocodiles, which are a very serious threat to the average person!
+ easy to clean (I am only recording this due to there having been challenge on this front)
Dildo:
+ home defense (perhaps not as a shield... but I don't know the size and shapes available)
+ good hosting -> more good hosting and loyalty
- not everyone interested in relations (really seems to go against the grain of the self defense points raised just before this; bit of a cake and eat it too situation)
"Billions of people have lived and died without ever touching a dildo and they had no problems" that's tragic!
+ educational value
+ useful as toy
+ can vibrate (another cake and eat it too situation, since earlier there was talk of how they're better than vibrators) -> if vibrating then cannot be easily cleaned with kettle
- difficult to use (lol)
- Dildo might be made to shitty USA health standards (FYI, make sure the material is food grade).
Textbook:
- heavy
- poor hosting
+ assists w/ purchase of dildos and kettles. -> but unlikely to be in school to benefit, and if in school it's only good for one subject -> but textbook can be sold for ~$55, to then purchase cheap kettle and dildo (pro hasn't said it yet, but of course his counter will include that)
+ correlated to increased earnings
This round also gave us a couple true gems:
"family unity with a satisfied wife, pegged husband and lovely tea/coffee."
"who in their right minds would want to use a dildo while drinking coffee or tea. No, what you are going to want is a casket of nice beer and a steak"
Also a micro Ad Hominem, really? I hope it was intended as a lighthearted joke, but a silly face or some other indicator would have been nice. As is, it pulled me out of the debate.
We will never know what he would have done differently had you not laid things out like that.
This is a tiny debate site on the Internet, I am not pressed. I can take an L.
I won't say more as it will influence you, I will tell you I think your Round 1 interpretation is biased but I also believe I structured things so that my Round 2 was much more defensive, not my Round 1.
What did I write that was utilized in the final round?
I really was not trying to do anything sneaky. Quite the opposite with sharing my thought stream as it occurred.
"Thank you for the debate RationalMadman."
Proceeds to whine and moan about how ungrateful he is for the debate with me.
God, I miss this toxic place.
I am not eligible to vote yet and to be honest there are certain debates I actually avoid voting on because I assume I will do a terrible job at voting. This is one where I think I am confused enough by the e tire premise around it that my vote would be terrible.
you are helping benjamin form his Round 3 by revealing that, it's not fair.
You should also be very sure to read the later Rounds, Round 2 is extremely crucial to the debate.
---R1 Impressions---
Kettle:
+ electric, or stovetop
+ ease of use,
+ water cleaning (but not essential in developed areas with safe water)
- unpredictable for home defense (risk of burning self makes this a negative)
- very limited use in cooking
- dangerous to use for showers
Pan:
+ stovetop only
- no electric
+ home defense
+ cooks meat and other larger items
+ collects rainwater
Dildo:
+ home defense (perhaps not as a shield... but I don't know the size and shapes available)
+ good hosting
- not everyone interested in relations (really seems to go against the grain of the self defense points raised just before this; bit of a cake and eat it too situation)
"Billions of people have lived and died without ever touching a dildo and they had no problems" that's tragic!
Textbook:
- heavy
- poor hosting
+ assists w/ purchase of dildos and kettles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftOxn4ANjc
Please vote on this if you feel like it (one Round from Con left, maximum 2 days).
I think it's a good example of how to make sophisticated debate techniques apply to seemingly ridiculous topics. This helps highlight the fundmentals as the actual subject matter is largely nonsense if one lacked structure with the fundamentals.
I feel triggered bow because that does happen a lot in my debates here. I think it's because I am not a fan of semantics games I would rather everyone just acknowledge we knew what we meant and keep the debate on track. I wouldn't say thy run circles Around me but it does get tedious andboring
It literally backs up the disinfectant qualities in it. You are not reading tjed ebate properly if you don't see how much utility it has to back that up with a source, means I force my opponent to cave in or bring sources against it.
You haven't beaten me here ever if I recall correctly. Your biggest flaw is lacking semantic and basic referencegrounding, letting your opponent run circles around you asking for what this means or twisting that definition, denying x y z and you then have to prove it all later because you failed to get that out of the way in Round 1.
My strategy here has more to it than that. I will let my opponent see if they can work out flaws in it or not.
The title made me think this was a Wylted debate.
The definition of boiling is going to be assumed to be descriptive and not prescriptive here. Everyone already k own that boil is when the water starts rolling after being exposed to heat after a while.
I guess your new strategy is to see yourself as terrible or something and to drop the arrogance. I think dropping the arrogance should suffice without the negative views of yourself but if that view made you want to provide a definition for water boiling. More power to you.
Well, if I had to choose between dildo or a school book, sure I would choose dildo.
I mean, what would I even need a school book for?
And I am mostly straight, just to be clear.
I stated 2-3 benefits in what you think is a definition, backed up by a source so tabula rasa tells to trust it now rather than that i'm making it up.
Also what is with you and definitions. You don't need to define boiling LOL
There is zero chance I would give you a good debate here so it's better that Benjamin accepted
You probably have like 100 comedy debates under your belt so this will be very tricky for me.
you must oppose me in this debate to defend the innocence of all.