Instigator / Pro
jamesrobertjoseph's avatar
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jamesrobertjoseph
1500
rating
2
debates
25.0%
won
Topic
#4942

Abortion is the murder of an innocent human life

Status
Finished

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Tags
Abortion
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
750
Voting period
One month
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
ponikshiy's avatar
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ponikshiy
1500
rating
9
debates
27.78%
won
Description

The moment that a human sperm cell (the male gamete) fuses with a human egg cell (the female gamete) in what is known as “fertilization”, a single-cell, human diploid zygote, containing all of the genetic information necessary to proceed seamlessly (if uninterrupted by accident, disease, genetic defect, or external intervention) in the human developmental process (i.e. zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, adult) is produced. Let us consider the following to help clarify some of that terminology:

“Gamete”
• Gametes, commonly referred to as an organism's reproductive cells or sex cells, are haploid cells (which means that they contain one set of chromosomes). In most humans, a gamete contains 23 chromosomes, or rather, half of a human’s genetic information (typically, each human has 46 chromosomes).

"Single-cell, human diploid zygote"
• The cell is the basic structural and functional unit of life forms. Only things that are living (or were living at one point or another) are composed of cells.
• A human is a member of the species "Homo sapiens". The fertilization of a human egg cell by a human sperm cell cannot produce anything other than a human cell.
• A diploid cell is a cell that contains two complete sets of chromosomes (23 chromosomes from the human male gamete and 23 chromosomes from the human female gamete). All of the cell types in our body, are diploid, except for gametes, which are haploid.
• A zygote is an organism within the animal kingdom, which is in the first stage of its developmental process. A zygote's genome (all of the genetic information of an organism) is a combination of the DNA in its parent’s gametes, and therefore, a zygote is a genetically distinct organism from its parents.

Round 1
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jamesrobertjoseph
Pro
#1
We live in a world of trade-offs, and for this reason, we know that some injustices are necessary to prevent greater injustices. To determine which injustices are greater than others, it seems that there must be some sort of hierarchy of rights, upon which a violation of the greatest right would equate to the greatest injustice, and a violation of the lowest right would equate to the lowest form of injustice. Unfortunately, any attempt to lay out such a hierarchy, would be subjective, however, we can be certain of which right is the greatest of all rights – the right to life. Without the right to life, we are absolutely incapable of exercising any other right, and by virtue of this, the right to life must inherently be the greatest right.
ponikshiy's avatar
ponikshiy
Con
#2
No life is innocent. I won't disagree with pro that abortion is murder, it obviously is, but pro misses is that babies deserve to die. 

Carbon footprint of babies. They will create 9,441 tonnes of carbon dioxide in their life time. https://theconversation.com/why-parents-shouldnt-be-saddled-with-environmental-guilt-for-having-children-189933#:~:text=The%20carbon%20impact%20of%20children,reduced%20reproduction%20are%20therefore%20dramatic.

Also babies are sinners due to the original sin passed on by Adam and Eve, and God condemns them to death.  You see Eve ate an apple and it fucked over the human race. 

So no abortion does not kill innocent babies buy babies that are pieces of shits, because they all are.

Round 2
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jamesrobertjoseph
Pro
#3
You are taking "innocent" to mean in terms of sin. In that sense, no one is innocent - so whether it is an unborn human or a it is born human carries no weight with that position. For this reason, the claim is meant to be taken in terms of legality. Otherwise, the conversation would have no relevance.
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ponikshiy
Con
#4
Argument about the carbon footprint that whores create when they have kids was dropped by pro. I extend the argument. 

Pro has stated that if we are talking of biblical sin, we are all sinners. He doesn't dispute that being sinful would mean that babies are not perfectly innocent, and kinda concedes the debate by acknowledging we are all sinners. 

I would also like to point out another way babies are not innocent and thus pieces of shit who deserve to be aborted. Babies are basically freeloaders who do not earn their keep.

Babies practically enslave their mothers by taking control of their womb, only wealthy men should control my womb. 

Also babies deserve to die is when I am trying to breast feed husband they get in way. 
Round 3
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jamesrobertjoseph
Pro
#5
There are people on here that would like to have a serious conversation, not that you care. A waste of your own time as your pitiful attempt at trolling will only reflect negatively upon people on your side of the aisle. 
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ponikshiy
Con
#6
The judges and my opponent  should know that creating a resolution means you have to defend every part of that resolution. He could have simplified his resolution to "abortion is murder of a human life" or "abortion is murder", but he decided to defend that it is murder of an innocent life. He doesn't get a pass to just argue for the majority of his resolution or prove his resolution is mostly true. He has to prove his resolution entirely true. I would suggest that he make his argument more than 750 characters if he has to defend a complex thing. I also request that if he doesn't want to force his opponent I to a position of making novel arguments he should probably not make his argument in the description. Extend all arguments
Round 4
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jamesrobertjoseph
Pro
#7
Let the record reflect that the context of innocent was clarified in Round 2. Ponikshiy has failed to provide any substance of significance in response, and at no point in her evil rant, was she even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
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ponikshiy
Con
#8
You cannot just thrust new terms and definitions of innocence on me in the middle of a debate. 

You said innocent. You did not say innocent in the legal context. Beyond that, you have made zero arguments for innocence of those little monsters.

Since you can't charge a fetus with crime, it would be really stupid to claim the resolution means innocent in the legal context

It would be like saying, 

"Abortion is the murder of a baby whonever played pro football"


It wouldn't make sense. The only sensible thing to think, is not that you needlessly used words, but hat you meant innocent in a more general way. You did it as an appeal to emotion to advantage you, and now you want to take it back because my arguments are hard to beat. 
Round 5
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jamesrobertjoseph
Pro
#9
You cannot just thrust new terms and definitions of innocence
No new terms or definitions of innocence were added.

You said innocent. You did not say innocent in the legal context.
The context should be obvious since no one, born or unborn, is sinless.

Since you can't charge a fetus with crime, it would be really stupid to claim the resolution means innocent in the legal context.
The fetus's capability to commit a crime is irrelevant to its innocence. The same can be said about someone in a coma.

You did it as an appeal to emotion to advantage you, and now you want to take it back because my arguments are hard to beat. 
Incorrect. It was used to differentiate from guilty, because guilty people are sometimes sentenced to capital punishment.
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ponikshiy
Con
#10
Forfeited