This debate is a continuation of the previous debate titled," There exists, 2 genders only, in the human race"
I will provide a short description of my basic argument then proceed to rebuttal Cons arguments from the previous debate, that I didn't get the chance to rebuttal to.
Gender is a social construct according to my opponent. And because it is a social construct, it must be tied to some form of reality. In fact every single idea/perception etc, has to be tied to reality in some way shape or form. If an idea is not tied to reality in some way, it is impossible to perceive this idea, because the idea itself doesn't exist in reality, but we do know that gender itself exists, therefore it is tied to something in reality.
So being said, gender must be tied to reality in some way, shape, or form in order to be considered a social construct.
So either Gender is a social construct tied to reality.
Or Gender is basic fact.
Rebuttals:
But they are?
Something that is given to you when you are created versus something that you choose based on how you feel means yes, they are completely different. Take this, one is forced on you (sex), one is chosen by you (gender).
Again, based on how you feel is not reality.
Every single bad person to ever exist on this planet in the moment of what they were doing thought it to be the right decision according to them. They might have regretted it later in life at some point, but in the moment they felt as if what they were doing was right.
So choosing something based on how you feel is completely an idea/belief, and is not what gender is.
Gender is how you identify. Again, based on what? If it has no basis to reality then it can't be a social construct.
Also I do not like your wording. "forced on you". Why use that word? Is it looked down upon that you were created in a certain way?
Forcing something on someone means that you are doing something to them, that they are explicitly against. I was never against being born with a penis and neither were any of the other baby's who were born with one.
You may not like it in the future, but that would still not be forced, because in the moment you didn't care. You were a baby.
How they feel.
How you feel, I have a feeling this is going to be repeated multiple times.
You are saying that factually, gender is a social construct, and you are backing that fact up with feelings.
Facts do not care about your feelings.
This doesn't make any logical sense.
Okay, hear this, they are different things. Sex is not gender. Sex is forced upon you, gender is something you have a choice on. For example, I can't change my biological sex but I can change my gender to non-binary as an example.
Again, why use the word forced. Sex wasn't forced upon anyone.
Also non-binary? Meaning 2?
See? Even the basis of this identity is based off of the binary system we have today.
This focus is getting derailed, we aren't talking about sex. However, i'll continue..
But it exists, regardless of population.
Yea, so does people who are born without arms, but we don't say that there are more than 1 different kinds of humans because of it.
All humans look different, but are still humans. Just because someone is born with a birth defect, does not mean they are different than anyone else.
Alright, no need to be like that. You can try to down-grade the extent of my knowledge, unless i'm taking it the wrong way.. Anyways, your choice of words is correct. However, intersex is.
"A biological category based on reproductive, anatomical, and genetic characteristics, generally defined as male, female, and intersex."
So, according to the definition placed above of the biological category which is also the biological construction.
Well, they are full of s*** then.
You even said my statement was true.
There are 2 biological sex's, and one birth defect. Technically this article is just saying people can be defined as intersex, which is true, but they are still either male or female intrinsically.
The following above says it all ^^^^
"Sex is used when describing anatomical, chromosomal, hormonal, cellular, and basic biological phenomena. E.g., sex development, sex hormones, sex characteristics."
So your way of talking about sex is false.
It's not false in any way shape or form.
Sex has to be unique in order to be its own. If you have someone who has characteristics from male and female genitalia, then it is not its own sex, it is a weird combination of the two, but still a person with one baseline biological sex.
I don't need to.
And technically speaking, hermaphrodites can self-reproduce. So, if you count them being impregnated by themselves and giving birth, count them in. I will say, I haven't researched much about hermaphrodites so I won't go into extreme detail.
Well, if your saying that intersex is it's own sex, then yes you do.
Again human hermaphrodites, which are extremely rare cannot impregnate themselves and give birth to a fully functioning human.
Give me one example of one human that can both impregnate, and get pregnant.
Let me confirm that these were options that I predicted you were going to take a route on. These were not confirmed, just a hunch of mine.
Now, as I stated, I predicted the route you were going to use. Not a route I was going to use. However, I will say that I could use option A for myself.
I can actually completely disregard all my ideas about gender and state gender doesn't exist. Therefore denying your "only two genders" because in that argument, genders don't exist. In fact, I can even state that there is only one gender. I have multiple possibilties you only have one. You might be confused as you read this, but I stated Cisgender was a gender, correct? Alright, so if Cisgender is a gender which is your assigned gender which includes indentifiying as your assinged biological sex which is under female and male, then I could completely say there is only one gender. I have loopholes that clear all paths.
But I decided to keep this argument simple, that's alright isn't it?
Once you decide to go into the realm of ideas and what could be then you have lost.
If pro states that gender exists, then anything under gender exists. If this doesn't follow, anything under the definition of gender exists as a gender because it is defined as so.
You can't say that everything under gender is a gender, then add random genders whenever you'd like.
Gender is something we came up with as humans. Something our minds came with, based on how we feel.
Gender is something we use to signify if someone is male or female. Originally used based upon whether someone was born with certain genitalia.
Already denied and can be referred back to in any round.
Deny all you want. It's not helping your case.
But they are Cisgender,
I am not cisgender. I am male.
No, Cisgender is, but not female and male.
So if I say I identify as female, that is not a gender.
Are you saying that man and woman are not genders?
If so you have just created an entirely new construct.
So do certain clothing's, behaviors, and appearances tie to certain genders?
No nessarically. But sometimes they do have a realtion. For example, its how you feel inside. And expressing that comes in all different ways, some maybe I didn't even list. In all, it's how you as an individual feels.
This doesn't answer the root of my question.
Example: So, if I have infertility I am no longer consider a female? What am I then?
I said capability as in, having the required organs, and attributes to reproduce, even if you aren't able to because of a disability, disorder, or something going wrong with your development.
Consider that female and male aren't a gender
You are probably going to lose the debate just by this statement alone.
it is Cisgender. Cisgender is the realtion to being alligned with your biological sex. So, if you disclude all my other genders then pro would still be wrong
"my genders"? So you are telling me that you have your own idea of what genders are, and I am supposed to accept that as fact?
- These genders are listed under the genders that humanity has, deny it or not, they are there.
Humanity? No.
A specific group of people who believe that? Yes.
