The Trinity is not in the Bible.

Thanks for participating!  All Bible used will be KJV for me.  Good luck to Melcharaz!  He is going to need it. :)

My position is simply that the Trinity does not exist in the Bible.  First the word Trinity is not in the Bible.  It was invented about 100 years after the bible was written.  Second, there is no term of God the Son in the bible either.  Again, that was fabricated afterwards.  In fact, all biblical scholars will tell you that the understanding of God is a mystery.

If the Trinity is co-equal, co-eternal and co-existent:

How can one be given by the other?

Who has more authority to send and to give?  Does the Father own the Son that he can him "His"?

How can a word against the Son be forgiven but against the Holy Ghost never be forgiven?  Does the Holy Ghost have a mean temper that the Son does not?

Why was Jesus praying to God in the Garden?  Shouldn't he pray to himself?  How is it that he would have a different will than the Father?  A little Psychosis going on here.

How is it that Jesus will be subject to the Father in the end?  Is it really that "big daddy" does call all the shots?

Who gets to sit upon the Throne?  are they playing musical chairs?

How is the Holy Ghost the father and the "Father"?  Maybe we should do a paternity test.

How is the Father the only Savior and not Jesus?  Hmmm . . . Sounds like a good plot to a B-action movie.  Son wants the power but Father doesn't give it.

This is show that the Bible never taught or even showed that there was a Trinitarian doctrine given.  It was made up from corrupt church pastors to incorporate the pagan rituals and beliefs.  Look up any pagan religion at the time of Christ and you will find a trinitarian formula for their God.  The most damning is the Vedic Gods, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.  Exact same positions of co-equal, power etc.

I await your Trinitarian response.  And please don't start with "God cannot be understood".  I want Bible, not philosophy.  

i was hoping for a more nuianced, detailed expository of the Godhead, this level of reasoning, lack of cross referencing and hermaneutics is embarrasing.

First, lets lay a ground work.

Therefore the man Jesus Christ is not God, But is Formed by God and filled with his Spirit.

jesus: https://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/2424.htm

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3091.htm

God has become salvation.

Christ: https://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/5547.htm

He is also called emmanuel.

God with us.

1: To destroy the work of the devil.

2: To reconcile man to God

https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/2-16.htm

ephesians 2:13-18

13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

He is 1 spirit and he reconciles us by the Blood of Jesus Christ and by filling us with his spirit.

1 spirit:https://biblehub.com/text/deuteronomy/6-4.htm

Mediator/reconcilor: 

hebrews 9:13-17https://biblehub.com/text/hebrews/9-15.htm

Spirit: preached for salvation

 So for mankind to be saved they must Have God's Holy Spirit in them.

Given acts 2:1-4 

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

promised ot: https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/28-11.htm

isaiah 28:9-12

promised nt: https://biblehub.com/text/acts/1-8.htm

Now that the foundation is established as to what God is, What Jesus Christ is, and what the Holy Spirit is.

Since Davidaz didnt do that, i will take the liberty.

or we can use a definition that doesnt automatically assert trinitarian idealology.

In essence, a person is a human being.

OR a self conscious rational being. OR a personality.

1: God is 3 human beings

2: God is 3 self conscious (definition  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conscious) beings

3: God is 3 rational beings (rational definition https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rational)

4: God has/is capable of 3 personalities  that are unique and distinct from each other.

I will attempt to do so next round so that davidaz may prepare for the attempt.

ill make this quick. its arrogant to assume you can discuss trinity in 2 rounds with 2 hours.

you need at minimum 3 rounds and at least 2 days to gather info and provide a solid exegesis with scripture.

if the purpose of this debate is to draw out mall, ill save you the trouble. he probably aint intrested.

now. since opponent forfeited i would like to post 2 verses he cant oppose.

this is referring to Jesus Christ.

these 3 are one.

what does it mean by "one"?

https://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/1520.htm

opponent forfeited 50% of debate.