THBT: On balance, abortion is morally impermissible
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THBT: On balance, abortion is morally impermissible
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Bones = On balance, abortion is morally impermissible
Uragirimono = On balance, abortion is morally permissible
Definition:
Abortion = a procedure to end a pregnancy. It uses medicine or surgery to remove the embryo or fetus and placenta from the uterus.
Moral = A behaviour, conduct, or topic that is based on valid principles and/or foundations
Valid (in reference to its above usage) = having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent
Consent = to give permission for something to occur
On balance = when looked at holistically
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1. No Kritik.
2. No new arguments are to be made in the final round.
3. The Burden of Proof is shared.
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- PRO holds that all beings who are humans possess personhood.
- CON holds that all beings who are humans and possess X characteristic (be it birth, self-awareness) possess personhood.
- Level of development
- Environment
- Degree of dependency
- The fetus is a person and this is known.
- The fetus is a person and this is not known.
- The fetus is not a person and this is not known.
- The fetus is not a person and this is known.
- You have intentionally killed a human being.
- You have unintentionally killed a human being
- You have intentionally risked killing a human being.
- You have done nothing wrong.
- CON holds that all beings who are humans and possess X characteristic (be it birth, self-awareness) possess personhood.
No person isn’t reliant on some external entity, whether it is food, water, or oxygen - it just so happens that fetuses are also dependent on their mothers.
the ontological burden of manifesting an additional predicate on the backdrop of biological humanity is simply impossible and incongruent with the operation of the law.
With regard to the issue of abortion, women’s rights evidently outweigh the possible or future rights of the fetus. It is illegitimate to value the potential person’s rights, over the actual real woman with real needs, desires, and rights.
- CON has offered a hugely vacuous case, of which can be hardly categorised as a substantive or rebuttal. There are occasional allusions and quotations from my case, however, the structured subtitles of PRO's arguments go unmentioned.
- In a debate regarding the moral status of the unborn, we ought to apply the most philosophically relavant definitions. The questioning of whether the unborn is a person clearly revolves around the doctrine of personhood, whereby person is defined as any entity that has the moral right of self-determination. We ought to take this definition, for the title of this debate questions whether abortion is morally permissible, therefore implying that we ought to question whether the the unborn has any moral status which will be violated.
- CON argues that as the unborn not "individual" and "seperate" in the physical sense, it therefore is not a person. I argue that the unborn is very much seperate - it is an individual being in the moral sense - that is, it ought to have individual moral consideration. Why ought we preference the moral definition? If we take that a person must be a "separate" individual in order to have moral consideration, comatose people will be rendered void of moral rights. CON states "A fetus, however, cannot exist separately from the mother and is therefore not an individual person", however, PRO can easily retort by asserting that an elderly cannot exist separately from their pacemaker, and are therefore not an individual person. Clearly, this physical "separation" argument is un-compelling - we believe the elderly have rights because we believe they are "individual" in the moral sense - that their existence is belongs to themselves only, even if they are physically "non-individual".
- Furthermore, as PRO am the maker of this argument, PRO gets to dictate what the terms mean - they were making an argument about moral rights as opposed to CON's physical separation one.
- Personhood is assigned at biological actualisation and any being who has gone through this stage has moral rights (PRO position)
- There is no time after biological actualisation where humans get rights, hence, no human rights exist.
- Suppose there exists a room which gives all those in it a natural spike in dopamine for a period of 20 minutes. The entrance is free, however, there is one condition - if you enter, there is a 2 percent there about's chance that you will exist with a human being, whose life is contingent upon your body, attached to you for a duration of just under a year. Now suppose that you enter this room multiple times with no repercussions, however, after a number of trips, you find a human being attached to you. Are you morally allowed to kill this human being
- Dropped entirely.
III. Comparison to unjustified killing
- Dropped entirely. This is particularly unfortunate as I believe CON does not have the capacity to address each syllogism honestly.
If we can determine whether the unborn have personhood (that is, whether they have moral rights), then we can determine whether abortion is an act of killing or merely a morally neutral act.
- Personhood is assigned at biological actualisation and any being who has gone through this stage has moral rights (PRO position)
it is clear that these minute dangers were present before one enters a room and are implicitly accepted upon entrance.
It entails that, if a man stabs an 8 month and 25 day pregnant women in the stomach, they are merely killing a person. It entails that, if a man were to secretively give a pregnant woman a drink laced with abortion pills, thereby killing the unborn, that they have done nothing morally wrong, for the unborn is not a moral agent (would be akin to say discarding of hair).
Does the unborn have rights? If yes, then abortion is wrong.
This is particularly unfortunate as I believe CON does not have the capacity to address each syllogism honestly.
- We ought to accept that CON has conceded the conclusions and impact of my three contentions, Inconsequential Differences), Principle of uncertainty (entirely unaddressed) and Comparison to unjustified killing(entirely unaddressed). The conclusions of the three arguments is that we must accept accept that the unborn have human rights, as adopting any model contrary to the one proposed by PRO renders contradictions. Though CON does not explicitly state a concession on the veracity of their argument contentions, their entire final argument hinges on the following sentiment.
- I am not engaging in deliberation on when or how a fetus gets personhood because there is no outcome that grants anyone, born or unborn, the right to use another's body without consent.
- Here then, it is apparent that CON forgoes the importance of the moral status of the unborn - as such, we ought to grant it the case that the unborn have moral rights, for the CON case gives no refutation to such a stipulation. CON instead opts for a refutation which accepts my argument - that the fact that the unborn have moral rights does not imply that abortion is itself immoral Thus, voters ought to accept the contingencies of my contentions are valid, for the CON argument does not require its falsification.
- Mother and child are both humans, morally and legally given full equal rights as enjoyed by all other humans, born and unborn.
- No moral or legal human right gives one person the right to use another person's body without their consent.
- The child, therefore, is human and like every other human, has no right to the mother's body unless she consents to it.
- You willingly drive and after getting into an accident you willingly seek medical attention for yourself.
- You willingly engage in sex and after getting pregnant, you willing seek medical intervention to kill the unborn.
- Suppose there exists a room which gives all those in it a natural spike in dopamine for a period of 20 minutes. The entrance is free, however, there is one condition - if you enter, there is a 2 percent there about's chance that you will exist with a human being, whose life is contingent upon your body, attached to you for a duration of just under a year. Now suppose that you enter this room multiple times with no repercussions, however, after a number of trips, you find a human being attached to you. Are you morally allowed to kill this human being
- Suppose there exists a room which gives all those in it a natural spike in dopamine for a period of 20 minutes. The entrance is free, however, there is one condition - if you enter, there is a 2 percent there about's chance that you will exist with a human being, whose life is contingent upon your body, attached to you for a duration of just under a year. Now suppose that you enter this room multiple times with no repercussions, however, after a number of trips, you find a human being attached to you. Are you morally allowed to kill this human being
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Skimmed this. While I agree with con, I strongly suspect my vote will favor pro for quality of arguments.
I’ll aim to get a vote up on this. Remind me as it gets later in the voting period.