Instigator / Pro

Vici

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Topic

#3649

andrew tate is good for men

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 4 votes and with 18 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman

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Philosophy

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Publication date: 08.16.2022 05:07AM
Last updated date: 09.22.2022 06:20PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 1,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

RationalMadman

1702

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Round 1

Vici

08.18.2022 12:50AM

Pro

im short on time so i'll make this quick

he teaches men to be masculine (tautology)
he teaches them to be independent
he teaches them to hustle and to earn a living
he is a symbol of masculinity
he teaches them not to victimize and instead work on your problems
his mind set is corroborated by his monetary success

RationalMadman

08.20.2022 12:14AM

Con

He teaches inauthentic independence; depending on the approval of other men and the lust women give as the extremely dependent emotional crutch to rely on. In fact the only defining feature of a winner in life seems to be one who has caved in to every superficial that the losers envy, meaning it is actually a loser-defined 'win'.
While he seems to teach success, he is not really helping broke men much at all, his hustlers University costs $49 and the person who keeps saying it is succeeding and retaining the students in the 80 thousands is Tate himself. Furthermore, he does not at all give good advice for a poor person starting off in life, consistently advising people to feel shit and lame if they have a standard job and line of work, dubbing it 'Matrix' and mkckingnthem for supposed donkey work.
He literally preaches to die for women and essentially simp for them if your house is broken into. He simultaneously tells men to see women as objects and to feel empty without the sex.

Round 2

Vici

08.22.2022 12:14AM

Pro

Forfeited

RationalMadman

08.22.2022 06:05PM

Con

I played devil's advocate in this debate and don't wanna diss Tate too much.

I think he's a bit bonkers but I respect the man, he's a genuine sigma male... Just don't know if he's good for men honestly as he has no respect for those who aren't at his income bracket and haven't got the brutal confidence he has, let alone muscle mass.

He's blessed in a lot of ways in his abilities, his advice is dogshit for guys who are more ordinary and/or lacking.

Statichead

09.22.2022 06:20PM

#10

anybody who picks a fight with rationalmadman is screwed xD

RationalMadman

09.18.2022 06:19PM

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@Ragnar

It counts as FF not just 40%+

RationalMadman

08.22.2022 06:05PM

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@Ehyeh

pls vote ty

Ehyeh

08.16.2022 08:16AM

1,000 character limit? con just has to bring up the fact andrew tate is an empirical evidence denier.

oromagi

08.16.2022 06:05AM

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@Vici

listen to novice's advice: define your terms and your burden of proof. The CONTENDER has the advantage of choosing his opponent and making final remarks, you have to mitigate that advantage by defining the scope of the debate so you are at least arguing on your terms.

RULE#1: Don't ever forfeit.

Welcome to the site!

K_Michael

08.16.2022 05:19AM

fyi I don't know who Andrew Tate is so I won't be debating this.

Vici

08.16.2022 05:19AM

yes

K_Michael

08.16.2022 05:17AM

Like a good influence on masculine culture?

Vici

08.16.2022 05:16AM

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@K_Michael

better than he is not

K_Michael

08.16.2022 05:15AM

Could you elaborate on the meaning of the title? You'll have to at least define "good".

Ehyeh

09.18.2022 10:46PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

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3 point(s)

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2 point(s)

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1 point(s)

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1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeiture and pure facts from rationalmadman.

Barney

09.18.2022 06:08PM

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Tie

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Points

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3 point(s)

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2 point(s)

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1 point(s)

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1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeiture.

I should note that not evaluating arguments in a case like this, does not mean still voting on them. Not that I think it can impact the outcome, as con's case being wholly uncontested reduces the debate to a forgone conclusion.

FLRW

08.23.2022 06:19PM

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Tie

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Points

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3 point(s)

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2 point(s)

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1 point(s)

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1 point(s)

Reason:

Like K_Michael said: "by the choice of one side to miss at least 40% of the debate, the requirement [to consider arguments] ceases." DA Voting Policy

K_Michael

08.22.2022 09:52PM

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Pro

Tie

Con

Points

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3 point(s)

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2 point(s)

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1 point(s)

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1 point(s)

Reason:

"by the choice of one side to miss at least 40% of the debate, the requirement [to consider arguments] ceases." DA Voting Policy