No debate there. Never said "all". Still doesn't negate the existence of sexually transmitted infections. Will you attempt to negate them anyway?
- If not all sexual activities, then why do you want to ban them all? Why ban sexual activities that transmit no disease? Why punish those pedophiles who only did those sexual activities which cant transmit diseases? Why punish those pedophiles who limit themselves to do only non harmful sexual activities?
To remain consistent, which is impossible in your case, you would have to punish entire society for the harm that many people commit. So because some people smoke, entire society must be punished. You punish all pedophiles for crimes committed by some of them. You want to ban all sexual activities because some of them are harmful. So using your logic: since bad people are people, all people are bad. Conclusion: people are bad.
Ok, I'll say it this way. No debate there. I can make a debate challenge or discussion about harm all over the place. But the epicenter of this is between adults and minors. Still doesn't negate the existence of harm involved.
- So you are saying its okay for your logic to be inconsistent? You are saying its okay to punish an entire group of people because some of them committed harm? Plus, you only punish those groups that you choose, such as pedophiles. But you dont punish other groups of people that literally committed the same crime of harm.
You say that non-harmful forms of pedophilia are harmful because they have the same nickname as those forms that are harmful.
All humans are evil because some humans are evil.
Since you cant tell which one could become evil, the only solution is to punish them all? Maybe instead you should teach them about the right ways first. Maybe you should allow pedophiles to do those sexual activities that are not harmful to children.
You want to generalize pedophilia, but you dont want to remain consistent and generalize other groups in society? Literally, harm is the inseparable part of every group of people.
Don't attempt to negate that point taking the light off of it. See here's what, I got a flashlight of my own, heavy duty batteries. I'm keeping the light on it.
-You literally want me to accept the logic of generalization, but without applying it generally.
Thats an obvious nonsense.
So the pedophiles that harm children would mean harmful pedophilia exists, doesn't it?
-Just because there are bad people, doesnt mean all people are bad. Your logic literally says that humans in general are bad because some humans are bad. So if humans are bad and you are a human, where does that put you exactly?
This is so amusing you taking that light off. I got my flashlight to shine it back on the issue at hand everybody, fret not.
- So you think you can generalize, but you hate when someone else generalizes?
Should we kill the entire society?
For what? Who in the world is proposing that?
-Well, by your logic, society is harmful. Maybe the problem is that you dont understand your own logic of generalization.
I can't answer that LOADED question. You've got me confused with somebody else. You'll have to quote where I made that statement.
- Yeah, you saying that pedophilia is harmful can only lead to conclusion that you think pedophiles should be punished. So you cannot defend yourself with denial.
At this time I would like to request upon you to ask me what I support rather than tell me please.
- Well, you didnt bother to explain what exactly you support. And you didnt even have to explain. Its obvious to anyone with a brain.
I'm sensing an emotional argument here. If true, don't commit that fallacy.
- Your entire debating is filled with fallacies, inconsistencies, assumptions and generalizations. So you shouldnt be surprised when people get angry at you.
My friend, my friend, my dear friend, you got this all wrong. This debate is not about every type of harm you can come up with in the world.
Now quit moving the goalpost.
- This debate is about your logic being inconsistent, irrational and impossible to apply. I dont see what part of this you dont understand.
Wow this looks like a complete lashing out at me. Well I tell you what, I have to be focused on the topic concerning pedophilia. If I were to be all over the place which is apparently what is desired here, not from me, then making a centralized topic is pointless.
- In other words you have to focus on punishing one group of people for harm while ignoring the harm done by other groups? Those are double standards.
Not the point of the debate but I will answer straightforward to that. The point is when something is harmful, that's what it is. That's all I'm saying and it looks like you don't deny pedophilia is harmful because you want to conflate everything, fine.
- Did you deny that society causes harm?
I said:
"When that same pedophile didnt hurt a little girl..."
From my sentence, you then concluded:
"So in all simple terms, you do agree that harm comes out of pedophilia regardless of consent."
- By your logic, harm comes out of everything. So if the only way for you to make pedophilia look harmful is by using the logic that makes everything else harmful as well, it is you who have failed. And you shouldnt confuse your logic with mine. Your logic is inconsistent. I have never said that pedophilia is harmful.
You're not angry with me , are you
-Your logic fails. Not mine. So no, I am not angry.
I wonder are some of you guys undercover pedophilia supporters.
Whoa, that was something else there.
Truly.
pedophile pervert discussions here...
I admire your curiosity mall. You never seem to give up trying to expand your horizons. I wish you well on your journey.
And killing children is not a disaster? Cars are one of the least safe modes of transport when applied generally. And it is preciselly because so much is invested in cars, that public transport suffers. And not just the public transport. If everyone replaced cars with scooters that have limited speed, you would see the death rate in traffic fall by over 80%.
This "disaster" would save over a million lives every year world wide.
Public transport is a disaster, I'm sorry. I'm from the UK which is known for public transport and i literally had to stop going to college because of how much of a hassle bus's are.
Lack of cars makes life harder? I dont see how. It literally makes life easier for all those who wont painfully die due to cars existing.
Also, if it did make life harder, it doesnt negate the argument of harm. If you say that harm is okay when it makes life easier, this means you justify harm when it suits you, so harm cannot be used as an argument against pedophilia as some pedophiles can justify harm too when it suits them.
Not to mention, if people actually wanted an easier life, they wouldnt make it so difficult for children by causing them harm. Life is not easier if there is harm. If there is harm, life is harder. So using easier life to justify terrible harm is a contradiction, as easier life is the one with less harm.
You say you need knives? You can use the plastic ones.
You talk about physical safety being unachivable? This is actually only correct when safety causes more harm than it prevents. So what are your arguments against pedophilia then? It cant be consent, because you dont care about childs consent. It cant be harm, as you justify the harm of children when it suits you. So what is left? Practicality and function also depend on harm argument.
And then you say it isnt impractical to ban child adult sex for a society to function? Isnt the best function when there is least harm? And we already proved you dont want the least harm, so you dont want the best function.
And let us just remember that banning pedophilia doesnt stop it. It decreases it, but doesnt stop it. The only way to stop a pedophile from making love to children is to lock him up forever, which is a form of torture far worse than any experienced by most children who did something sexual with pedophiles.
So basically, your only solution is to cause even more harm?
I feel like we can create an argument through practicality. It would be unreasonable to never have a child go in a car (even if its objectively safer) it would be true we should lock a child in their room if we want maximum physical safety but it would be both damaging to their long term mental health and practical application for everyday living.
Argument against the position you propose:
1. It is impractical to stop a child from ever going in a car, it makes life much harder. Same for all the other things you mentioned.
2. It isn't impractical to say a adult shouldn't have sex with a child and stop them from doing so, as this function holds little in the ways of pragmatic utility for everyday societal functioning, unlike knives, and cars.
Well, yes, that is another contradiction. Society forces children to go to school because it "benefits" children. But at the same time society does things, I mentioned before, that harm children. So its obvious their interest is not benefit of the children, but rather their own benefit.
If children could choose, they would probably choose school over job if school is actually attractive.
But this depends on society and how much choice it gives to children.
Should children have the ability to work jobs, like an adult instead of going to school?
Lets not do anything that harms children. That means no more cars, smoking, guns, corporal punishments, circumcision, internet, electricity, tall buildings, buildings in general, knives, glass... yes, there is plenty of things we must give up upon to protect children. Also no more meat eating, as that harms children too. Well, if you are ready to give up upon these things, then I will believe you want to decrease the harming of children. But if you only mention harm just when it comes to pedophilia, then I must say that your argument is dishonest and inconsistent.
Go ahead. Post your argument so that I can explain to you.
Okay, you convinced me. I will accept it. But dont expect any arguments from my side.
Do we have any takers?
Otherwise the topic is non-disputable.
Not really.
Likewise.
I have no tolerance for perversive harmful unwanted words.
Yes sometimes I don't read certain things no matter how true they are. Well a lot of times I don't do that but it is what it is.
I wont reply to your weak tiny insignificant arguments. Even if I accepted this debate, I wouldnt bother to read your arguments at all.
Yes please, let there be nobody to take the time out to read those horrible hateful degrading arguments.
Not-ah.
They would be maybe valid if I actually decide to read them. I probably wont. I have better way to use my time than reading horrible hateful degrading arguments.
My arguments are valid regardless because they're the truth and that's justification for why anyone would not want to debate this irrefutable position, period.
"I still will argue that pedophilia, the act of sexual relations between adults and minors is still harmful, wrong and everything else."
You can argue all day. I wont take your arguments as valid. I wont even read them.