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Antny

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Topic

#3299

Trump > Any president besides Reagan

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 3 votes and with 17 points ahead, the winner is...

DeprecatoryLogistician

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Publication date: 01.16.2022 06:57PM
Last updated date: 02.06.2022 05:36AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 1,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

DeprecatoryLogistician

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I believe that Donald Trump is America's 2nd best president. This debate doesn't have to be extremely serious. May the best man win.

Round 1

Antny

01.16.2022 11:10PM

Pro

I will start this off with a short response. Donald Trump is an amazing president to our society. Not only were gas prices and record lows, but so was unemployment and about a million other things. Donald Trump was the FIRST EVER president to walk into North Korea, and he did it UNGAURDED. Trump enacted various tax cuts and greatly improved the lived of the middle class. Trump also made peace with various different middle eastern countries; some were said not to be able to make peace with. He also had to deal with the bias media this whole time. Source: https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/42759/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

DeprecatoryLogistician

01.17.2022 12:18AM

Con

Trump didn’t walk into NK without security.

Low Gas prices are bad, they elevate authoritarian state control. Ideology controls foreign policy. Russia is also authoritarian. Russia specifically sees the US as a threat to expansion, and puts high value on US relations as evidenced by recent talks. A Russian War with the Baltics is Putin’s Dream.

The US is willing to negotiate with Russia, but also values its EU/NATO allies. Ideologies control foreign policy, so if the US becomes authoritarian its ideology will shift closer to Russia’s, and one way that policy will be affected is that the US will not confront Russian expansionism, and this allows Russia to invade the Baltic states. Many human rights issues exist within Russia, even widespread torture, and if the US stops preventing Russian expansionism these human rights issues will be spread to the Baltics, and their people. This is what the Trump era energy policy risked. Millard Fillmore did nothing, and is therefore better than Trump.

Round 2

Antny

01.17.2022 03:43PM

Pro

So he only had 1 security guard? That is nothing. And plus, you can see that the security guard is well behind him, and not in direct reach. There was nothing authorial in the Trump administration. And I don't care what low gas prices are linked to, low gas prices are low gas prices. The USA will only become authoritarian under the Biden administration, like it is now. Putin could never convince Trump to make America authoritarian. Trump was feared by all enemy nations, including the ISIS, which he demolished, and was only brought back during the Biden administration. Other countries will stop Russia from expanding, it doesn't have to be only America's job.

DeprecatoryLogistician

01.17.2022 06:14PM

Con

I reaffirm that Ideology controls foreign policy, and that Russia is authoritarian as these points went unrefuted.

1 gaurd is still security.

Gas prices themselves elevate authoritarianism. Low gas prices are low gas prices as Con said, but this means nothing, and the Russia link chain would have played out if Trump won, and Biden did not save the Baltics from human rights violations (like torture), through the energy "crisis". Con also says that Putin can't convince Trump to become authoritarian, but don't consider this because Trump's energy policy clearly creates authoritarianism — Putin doesn't need to.

Covid caused ISIS resurgence not Biden, and Trump is to blame for the poor handling of Covid. Other countries/world leaders laughed at Trump, and were not afraid of him.

Other countries can’t stop expansion. Putin see’s NATO, and specifically the US as a threat to its expansion. Without US backing, NATO is no longer a threat to Russia.

Con dropped the point on Fillmore.

Round 3

Antny

01.20.2022 06:14PM

Pro

Forfeited

DeprecatoryLogistician

01.22.2022 01:00PM

Con

Flow everything through as Pro dropped.

To expand upon my authoritiarianism DA, this is a quote from my source talking about how the securitization of resources like energy lead to authoritarianim.

"securitization can often depoliticize issues, removing them from public debate and assigning them to an authoritarian and/or technocratic domain managed by security experts, military and intelligence professionals, and government authorities. Understood as matters of exceptional urgency and consequentiality, securitized issues can thus become the foci of extreme measures not subject to open debate or external inter- vention. Thus, the potential benefits of securitizing environmental issues, such as amplifying attention and (literally) securing resources and expertise, may be offset by new constraints on transparency and democratic deliberation legitimated through the act of securitization"

It is very important to also consider the point on Filmore. He did nothing, so he is better.

Round 4

Antny

01.25.2022 01:00PM

Pro

Forfeited

DeprecatoryLogistician

01.26.2022 04:18AM

Con

At this point consider voting Con down on conduct, and flow everthing through as well.

Round 5

Antny

01.29.2022 04:18AM

Pro

Forfeited

DeprecatoryLogistician

01.30.2022 05:36AM

Con

#10

Vote con on ff

DeprecatoryLogistician

02.01.2022 11:41PM

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@zedvictor4

Thanks for the vote

DeprecatoryLogistician

02.01.2022 01:42AM

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@Barney

Thanks for voting

Barney

01.30.2022 08:39PM

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@Antny

In debating any two figures and neither of them are named Biden, talking about Biden gets you no points.

Wylted

01.20.2022 02:28PM

Round one is probably going to be spent talking about how Trump is so great. If I was con, I would just capitalize on that, by explaining how Trump was better than Reagan, thus forcing pro to attack Trump and contradict himself.

Intelligence_06

01.20.2022 02:22PM

Well, FDR, Jefferson, Lincoln and Washington probably should be better than Trump or Raegan. They made America better, while those two kept America the way it is, if not making it worse.

ILikePie5

02.05.2022 07:45PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Practically a forfeit

zedvictor4

02.01.2022 08:06AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

It is with non-extreme seriousness,

"And a million other things".

That I conclude Pro's impropriety.

Barney

01.30.2022 08:37PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

In the debate Donald Trump > Millard Fillmore, pro cried about Biden instead of trying to show any way Trump is better than a guy who con admits did literally nothing; and then forfeited the remainder of the debate when reminded of the complete lack of any achievement from Fillmore.

Pro had the clear burden to join into contrasting the two presidents, but outright refused, thus was not even an active participant in the true debate.