THBT: Homosexuality is not immoral.

Did you get busy? Want a rematch?

To be immoral is to violate moral principles. Homosexuality does not violate nor conform to moral principles.

No. Your stance is that homosexuality is NOT immoral. I get you are trying to tell us that it is neither moral or the inverse of moral, but immoral is defined as not moral, which homosexuality isn’t “moral”.

Exactly. Saying homosexuality is "moral" is like saying being black is "moral".

Well, one definition of the term "immoral" is not moral, and you have basically shown that homosexuality is unrelated to the branch of knowledge regarding what is right and wrong.

Just like our understanding of reality is "subjective" because we cannot be certain. We can be certain to a degree that makes me more confident in our reality existing than soliphisim, but not enough to dismiss the possibility, its a practical axiom that we accept to be 100% certain. Further, morals are on a basis of a human understanding, without it, we have no basis, or more accurately, praxis, for morality.

To be more clear: we have no actual evidence of human's importance on an universal scale, we matter because we ARE humans, its subjective at its basis. However, accepting the axiom that a certain group have moral value, or a certain aspect matters: like humanity or sentience (the latter for me) we can make objective rules on that basis's worth. The part that you have to listen to is because you ARE a human, any basis you could try to make for any moral work relies on the same basis, therefore you follow it. This is a very short, and a bit incorrect explanation, unfortunately I am busy with classes so here you go.

How do you assert that we ought follow moral rules, yet prescribe to moral subjectivism? Also, do you believe mathematics is subjective?

Certainly interesting, I'd disagree, I think morals are subjective as can be. Doesn't mean that they ought not be followed though.

By what standard?

I believe moral answers are as objective as mathematics and science.

Or not. Are you assuming that morals are objective and can be proven/disproven?

"You can challenge a debater this debate."

I know, but I don't mind if other's want to participate.

"Also, I think you are arguing a truism."

You'll be surprised with what religion can do to people.

You can challenge a debater this debate.

Also, I think you are arguing a truism.

for you.