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It is not good to make food out of aborted babies
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seldiora
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pepsis-bizarro-world-boycotted-over-embryonic-cells-linked-to-lo-cal-soda/
cbs admits they make soda from aborted baby
Burden of proof.
it is not good to make food out of aborted babies
Round 1
I know this debate is not about the conspiracy aspect of this.But most people believe this is happening. But Do not believe there is a conspiracy around it. As you may know they put aborted baby's in vaccine's.They do not only do this with food.What is interesting about the aborted babies in the vaccine's is that they were modified to cause cancer.Modified as in the gene sequence was purposefully changed by Mad scientist So they would promote cancer.I am saying the gene's were changed on purpose to cause cancer. Meaning it is not an accident.They got an aborted baby and hand manually started messing with it's dna. so it would cause cancer
Just like how Chinese sientist changed some baby's dna so they would not have Hiv.Scientist changed the dna in the aborted baby so it would cause cancer.
Genetic engineeringGenetic engineering, also called genetic modification or genetic manipulation, is the direct manipulation of an organism's genes using biotechnology. It is a set of technologies used to change the genetic makeup of cells, including the transfer of genes within and across species boundaries to produce improved or no
They genetically engineered the aborted baby in vaccine's so it would cause cancer.They manually genetic altered the dead babies so it would cause cancer.The cancer is not an accident.This is not they just happen to cause cancer.They purposefully altered the dna though genetic engineering to make it cause cancer.
Natural News) Italian researchers have blown the lid on a major vaccine scandal that all but proves the fact that vaccines are genetically engineered bioweapons.
Genetically modified, aborted human fetal cells are engineered to cause cancer, then inserted into children’s vaccines
In other words, when MRC-5 was first derived back in the 1960s, scientists at that time pulled faulty cells from an abnormal aborted child, and genetically engineered these cells into a solution that was then added to some of the earliest vaccines ever injected into children.
The scientist wanting to depopulate.So they changed the dna in the baby so it would cause cancer.These are the same people that are making food out of aborted babies.Can we trust people who genetically alters aborted baby dna to cause cancer in vaccine's to make aborted babies into food.The same people that put aborted babies in vaccine's are Make food out of babies.They have shown with vaccine's that they are not be trusted.So can they be trusted with food.The mad scientist in there effort to depopulate have genetically changed the DNA of aborted babies to make the aborted babies cause cancer.These same scientist are now making food out of dead babies. how is that good.
Natural news is ran by a scientist named mike Adams aka the health ranger. i have personally spent almost 1000 dollars on his herbs, He is reliable.He has been on The dr oz show
It is not good to do this.It is a waste of life.Aborted babies are humans.Killing baby's is wrong because we have souls.
It is wrong to eat these food made out of babies because we have souls
We are machine's infused with soul.
You can really die from a broken heart.This is proof of a soul.
A bunch of babies died from lack of love even though all there physical needs are met.
Giving to others can increase your life span and make you happy.This is like the gift of charity buff you get in skyrim from giving to beggars.This sorta thing is real
The Gift of Charity increases Speech by 10 points for one hour in real world time, viewable under the active effects section of the Dragonborn's Magic. It can be gained by giving a coin to a beggar, or if the Hearthfire add-on is installed, by giving a gift to an adopted child. Appearances The...
In fossil fighters 2 the main character's called a guy soulless because he did not believe in the power of friendship and magic.Thus a soul is the power of friendship and magic.
Since we have souls we should not kill baby's and eat them.Unless you are hardened heart.Thus this soul thing mostly does not effect you.
It requires to kill children.Not good
side effects from eating humans but not other animals
There are some serious disease.That come from eating human flesh.It is because it is morally wrong to eat humans but not other animals
. Specifically, prion disease creates holes in the brain, giving it a spongiform appearance, and ultimately causes death.
It is gross
They Cultivate the taste receptor's in the aborted baby until The additive becomes like the aborted baby.Then they put it in my Pepsi. This is gross.
Eating humans should have the same effect as eating other animals.But it does not.Eating humans cause's problems while eating a chicken does not.This is because eating humans is morally wrong.That is why eating humans effect us negetivly.It goes against our souls
They put aborted baby made additive's in milk
Why.You only do this if it is designed to dumb you down.There is no reason for this
They can not say it is safe
The laboratory-created artificial enhancers do not have to be tested at length by the FDA because the Senomyx chemical “flavor compounds are used in proportions less than one part per million” and can be classified as artificial flavors.2
They do not regulate aborted babies in food because they say there is a small amount.This is not good we should regulate aborted baby's in food
The people who make them are lairs.
It was once said there was no aborted babies in vaccine's.The gene's were purposefully modified to cause cancer and depopulate
560 aborted baby gene's found in vaccine's
Children health deference is reliable.The site is ran by Robert f Kennedy.nephew of president kennnedy.
Whether abortion itself is wrong or making food out of it is wrong are two completely different ideas. If I kill an innocent man that is wrong. But if I pass it off as chicken to an unknowing participant they have no idea and don’t think it’s wrong. So pros case does not apply.
If the baby is already aborted there is nothing we can do to revive the baby. Therefore we should give greatest contribution to society by making it food instead. Otherwise it would go to waste. Clearly, making food out of the aborted baby is one of the best things you can do.
Round 2
Cons arguement is since they do not know it is happening it is not wrong.
whether abortion itself is wrong or making food out of it is wrong are two completely different ideas. If I kill an innocent man that is wrong. But if I pass it off as chicken to an unknowing participant they have no idea and don’t think it’s wrong. So pros case does not apply.
that is like saying if i rape someone it is wrong.But if they are asleep and do not know they are being raped it is not wrong.
If the baby is already aborted there is nothing we can do to revive the baby. Therefore we should give greatest contribution to society by making it food instead. Otherwise it would go to waste. Clearly, making food out of the aborted baby is one of the best things you can do.
The baby's are not making a contribution.It is unnecessary to make aborted babies out of milk and soda.It ruins the food.If i eat nacho's and someone put spiders on it.It would ruin the nacho's.Would putting spiders on my nacho's contribute to the nacho's.No it would ruin it.So we should stop ruining food.The people doing this are not naive to the fact that this is cannibalism. how could you.So them pretending they are is wrong
In specific areas of the world fried spider is delicious. His arguments about cannibalism causing injury, only apply to the prion area of the brain, which has deadly chemicals when eaten. As aborted babies do not have the developed brain, it will not cause damage to the person eating it.
So:
- Baby is already aborted, and nothing can be done about it
- Aborted baby made into food is nutritious, gives food industry wealth and finances
- the people paying for the food do not notice and have not complained about taste, cost, or anything otherwise
- It is good to make food out of aborted babies (even if aborting the baby in the first place may be controversial)
Round 3
n specific areas of the world fried spider is delicious.
In some area's in the world eating humans is ok.In some areas of the world pedophilia is ok.Muslims and japan for example.
In some areas of the world killing a unborn baby is right.In some areas of the world slavery is right.In some area;s of the world eating animals is wrong.
This is used as an excuse to say morality is something that you decide but this is wrong.But it's wrong because we have soul's.I wrote lots of proof of this in first argument.But people dying from broken hearts because a spouse died.Can you imagine yourself dying because a loved one died.If not is it because your heart is hardened. you know i can't because my hearts been hardened.I personally can't imagine dyeing from a broken heart. I i feel nohting.Giving to others can lengthen your life.which is like skyrims gift of charity.
The Gift of Charity increases Speech by 10 points for one hour in real world time, viewable under the active effects section of the Dragonborn's Magic. It can be gained by giving a coin to a beggar, or if the Hearthfire add-on is installed, by giving a gift to an adopted child.
- Aborted baby made into food is nutritious, gives food industry wealth and finances- the people paying for the food do not notice and have not complained about taste, cost, or anything otherwise
Baby's born today are polluted they are born with around 250 chemicals
laboratories to examine the umbilical cord blood of 10 babies of African-American, Hispanic and Asian heritage and found more than 200 chemicals in each newborn
- Baby is already aborted, and nothing can be done about it
We can at least be respectful to it.Give it a nice burial.We should not eat it
the people paying for the food do not notice and have not complained about taste, cost, or anything otherwise
If i rape someone in there sleep.Is that ok because they have not complained.
is arguments about cannibalism causing injury, only apply to the prion area of the brain, which has deadly chemicals when eaten.
People from the organ trail were all mentally screwed up from eating human flesh.Almost to the point of retardation.It not just the brain.The brain is the last thing as person would want to eat.
Humans have been eating each other for a long, long time. ... People who eat people with a type of prion disease, a category of illness that also includes ... "The Donner Party," involved American pioneers traveling west who got lost and ... Vitality · Mental Health ·
People who eat people with a type of prion disease, a category of illness that also includes Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans and Mad Cow Disease in animals, tend to have brains that look like sponges and neurological damage that takes away control over the body. In describing the most famous case of the cannibal’s disease, the Fore tribe in Papua New Guinea where women and children were dying off in the 1950s and 1960s, NPR says the flesh-eaters would start having trouble walking, and from there it was a rapid descent into losing control over their limbs and emotions — “which is why people called it the ‘laughing death.’” By a year later, the afflicted “couldn’t get up off the floor, feed themselves or control their bodily functions.”People who eat people with a type of prion disease, a category of illness that also includes Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans and Mad Cow Disease in animals, tend to have brains that look like sponges and neurological damage that takes away control over the body. In describing the most famous case of the cannibal’s disease, the Fore tribe in Papua New Guinea where women and children were dying off in the 1950s and 1960s, NPR says the flesh-eaters would start having trouble walking, and from there it was a rapid descent into losing control over their limbs and emotions — “which is why people called it the ‘laughing death.’” By a year later, the afflicted “couldn’t get up off the floor, feed themselves or control their bodily functions.”
how can you give it a burial? The organs don't even form entirely until 20 weeks plus, a vast minority of abortions. A baby at 13 weeks or younger is just less than 3 inches, which barely can even be buried at all. You wouldn't even be able to spot the baby after digging up the casket. It's only as big as a lemon (mmmm lemons). That's just too absurd. What purpose does it serve? To remind the woman that it was already aborted? She made the decision, she knows her body and her person. Let's not remind her of what may have been a mistake. Make it into food instead so that we can gain nutrition, have delicious meals that have no complaints about, and gain financial result. If what pro said is true, I doubt we can prevent it since most food is already looked over by the FDA. Even they support it; so it must pass current regulations. Vote for con.
To be clear, nothing I say as a debate judge necessarily reflects my personal views. I don't actually think we should turn babies into food, no matter how nutritious they may be.
That worked, but you ran a risk by ignoring crossed's arguments about the safety risks of eating babies. Had he presented arguments that it was unsafe in all cases, rather than just some, it would have undercut your argument because eating babies would no longer contribute anything to society. After thinking through it, the debate was closer than I thought it would be. You still won, but I would have taken the time to refute his more relevant points if I were you.
LETS GO, A MODEST PROPOSAL
sadly, Crossed will likely be unable to come upon such a smart comeback
It is clear that we have no other uses for this poison, therefore we should drink it like Water in glass.
imagine I win this with A Modest Proposal lol
I've been doing some research. Well, sort of. I've read most of this in books before and just needed to find sources I could link to. Anyway, here are my results.
Various smallpox inoculations have used in China for over 2000 years. George Washington used a crude smallpox vaccine on his soldiers in Valley Forge in the winter of 1777-1778. I can guarantee you that he had no interest in making his soldiers dumber. From the result of the war, it's easy to tell that no dumbing-down occured.
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-george-washington-revolutionary-war
The smallpox vaccine didn't become widespread immediately after that. It was pioneered by Edward Jenner almost 20 years later. He found that inoculating people with cowpox, a milder form of pox, made them immune to smallpox. By 1980, smallpox had been entirely eradicated. Its destruction was so complete that the CDC said the vaccine is no longer needed, although they keep plenty of emergency smallpox vaccines just in case the unthinkable happens.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/when-was-the-first-vaccine-created.html
The first polio vaccine was developed in the early 50s and was widely distributed in 1954. In the following years, the incidence of polio fell from 18 cases per 100,000 people to 2 cases per 100,000 people.
https://www.britannica.com/science/polio-vaccine
Since 1979, there have been no cases of polio in the United States.
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html
Here's a list of 7 diseases - smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, and pertussis - which mostly or entirely eradicated by vaccines in the US.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/05/14/how-vaccines-eradicated-common-diseases-in-the-us-infographic/#7fc16e8e721f
These are only the most dramatic and well-known successes of vaccines. They have eliminated or dramatically reduced cases of many dangerous diseases. Even if they do make us dumber - which there's no evidence for - dumber is preferable to dead. Vaccines are one of humanity's greatest success stories and have saved millions of lives.
Here's something to read that seems similar to your case.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.htm
It's just a modest proposal, nothing serious.
"You need to watch the link more "
I did. The fox news clip didn't mention imprisonment. The lady in the video did, but I don't recognize random people on YouTube as authorities. Do you have any actual examples of people being imprisoned for refusing to be vaccinated or have their children vaccinated? If it is a widespread issue, it should be easy to find the evidence for it.
"This is not about google having the right to censorship.It is about google censoring people to keep people's from seeing information they do not like."
So? Google has the right to do that on their platforms. You're free to say they're wrong to do that, but it isn't evidence of a conspiracy.
"I do not need big brother or any of these shell article's telling me what to believe and not to believe."
Why do you assume that they are wrong and that the conspiracy theorists are right?
"Neo-Con Republican strategist and Never Trumper Rick Wilson has suggested that anti-vaxxers should be put in re-education camps and have their children taken away."
Yeah, there are idiots out there who say stupid things. So?
"How can i endanger them by not vaccinating when they are suppose to be immune because there vaccinating."
Not all vaccines are 100% effective, although they are close. Furthermore, while 95+% of vaccinated people would be protected, you aren't the only person in the world who plans on refusing the covid vaccine. Thus, if you refuse vaccination and go to work, you risk spreading it to other people who haven't been vaccinated.
"The risk goes into technicality's.I am harming them because i breath out co2.Which can harm my fellow employees,The 1 percent that the vaccine might not work for them.The risk is a non issue"
Weak analogy. The risks from covid are orders of magnitude higher than from CO2.
"I will repeat myself.I said no vaccine is safe because vaccine company's have not done proper safety testing in 30 years."
And you are still wrong. Vaccines have to be safety tested or they don't get approved. You can read about how they are tested here.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/index.html
Your claim that they haven't been tested is unsubstantiated nonsense.
"Your bluntly B#### me.Let say a judge puts away a rapist.The judge is wrong because he did not take sex ed."
Not a valid comparison. Judges are trained to do exactly that. They are not trained to be medical professionals capable of determining whether or not a vaccine caused injury or death.
"The link they used to source this information has been taken down.I won't help you research.Your ignorance is your choice."
On the contrary, I showed you that they have plenty of information available. I'll repost it here for your convenience.
Here's an fda report from 2009 on gardasil.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/gardasil-vaccine-safety
Here's a report on gardasil with data from 2014 to 2017.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31740500/
Here's an entire webpage devoted to the safety and effectiveness of the HPV vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/hcp/vaccine-safety-data.html#adverse-events
Contrary to your assertions, they aren't hiding anything. They're posting the data for all to see.
"i copied and pasted that from my article i linked."
I couldn't find your link. Could you post it again?
"He is a lawyer all his claims are based on the evidence provided.If billgates can have a medical organization.The crooked cdc.Then Kennedy can have his children health defense.Fair is fair"
Yes, he is allowed to do that. However, I just showed you evidence that he made up an outrageous accusation out of thin air. He is a liar.
"Hundreds of Colombian girls hospitalized after vaccinations"
Your link goes to a DuckDuckGo search for Debate Art. I'm assuming that isn't the source you intended to link for this claim.
Hundreds of Colombian girls hospitalized after vaccinations
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=debate+art&atb=v194-1
"I stand by no vaccine is safe."
Then substantiate that claim by proving that every single vaccine ever is dangerous. Show me proof for every single one.
"They have not done the proper safety test in over 30 years"
Nonsense. Every single vaccine has to be given to thousands of people to test for safety before they can be approved for general use.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html
I will repeat myself.I said no vaccine is safe because vaccine company's have not done proper safety testing in 30 years.We know this because robert f kennedy just sued the heck out f the hcc over it and won..
If they do not do proper safety test then they are not safe,
"They bluntly ignore are the court ruling showing the gardisol shot has killed and focus on there lie's.us court just paid 6 million because of the gardison shot."
That's because the people in the judicial system are not medical experts. Courts frequently make wrong decisions, especially about things like this that the judges don't know anything about. You might as well cite a plumber as an authority on quantum mechanics as cite a court as an authority on science.
Your bluntly B#### me.Let say a judge puts away a rapist.The judge is wrong because he did not take sex ed.
"Contrary to your assertions, they aren't hiding anything. They're posting the data for all to see."
The link they used to source this information has been taken down.I won't help you research.Your ignorance is your choice.
"In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain."
What's your source?
i copied and pasted that from my article i linked. I can not force you to do basic research.
hildren health defense is ran by Robert f Kennedy nephew of our former president.He is very qualified to make these article's he is a lawyer who defends people injured by vaccine's."
"No, he isn't. He has absolutely no medical expertise, and, as I just showed you, he is willing to make up outlandish accusations out of thin air. He is not qualified; he is a liar."
He is a lawyer all his claims are based on the evidence provided.If billgates can have a medical organization.The crooked cdc.Then Kennedy can have his children health defense.Fair is fair
"I linked you to a fox news segment talking about giving your child a shot or going to jail."
The fox news segment never mentioned going to jail. It did not specify what the state was going to do. It just made vague references to "or else" or "the hard way."
You need to watch the link more . i will not force you there is Also a cnn clip covering the same story About vaxx or jail.
#73
"Google isn't the government. They are a corporation. They have the right to kick people and ideas off their platform. That doesn't necessarily mean that they should, but they have the right to. If they really wanted to, they could boot everyone who doesn't literally bow down and worship Google. It would be stupid, but they have the legal right to do so."
This is not about google having the right to censorship.It is about google censoring people to keep people's from seeing information they do not like.
"Or it could just be that the conspiracy theories are wrong, and the fact checkers are trying to keep gullible people from falling for them. Why is that less likely than an enormous, worldwide cover-up?"
I do not need big brother or any of these shell article's telling me what to believe and not to believe.
This is how we are treated by politicians.This is not normal.
"Neo-Con Republican strategist and Never Trumper Rick Wilson has suggested that anti-vaxxers should be put in re-education camps and have their children taken away."
wilson was responding to an NBC News story about how people who question the safety of vaccines are now taking their fight “offline” due to mass censorship by the likes of Facebook and are “harassing doctors and private citizens.”
https://summit.news/2019/12/09/never-trumper-rick-wilson-suggests-putting-anti-vaxxers-in-re-education-camps/
"it's legal for Christian universities to fire their employees for behavior that contradicts their statement of beliefs, so an organization like that could. A different organization that doesn't have a code of conduct or statement of beliefs might not be able to. However, neither of these behaviors endanger other people in the workplace. Can't say the same about the aborted baby, though."
I was under the impression that you could not fire someone because of religion.I was thinking of that christian cake maker who was sued because he did not make a cake for a gay wedding.How can i endanger them by not vaccinating when they are suppose to be immune because there vaccinating.The risk goes into technicality's.I am harming them because i breath out co2.Which can harm my fellow employees,The 1 percent that the vaccine might not work for them.The risk is a non issue
There is a big orange button above. I think you might have been looking at the wrong place.
Love how comments have evolved into war yet 0 arguments are posted.
That's true, they could do that.
You are wrong, it could make Gmail an entirely pay-to-get elite/exclusive service if it wanted to.
> Aha, that was a fun read. It probably put you on some sort of watch list - but comedy gold, nonetheless. :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Google isn't the government. They are a corporation. They have the right to kick people and ideas off their platform. That doesn't necessarily mean that they should, but they have the right to. If they really wanted to, they could boot everyone who doesn't literally bow down and worship Google. It would be stupid, but they have the legal right to do so."
I should probably clarify that this only applies to things like posting YouTube videos or other scenarios in which Google is publishing other people's content. Google can choose what content is allowed on its platform. It can't choose, for example, who is allowed to have a gmail account (at least as far as I'm aware).
"I linked you to a fox news segment talking about giving your child a shot or going to jail."
The fox news segment never mentioned going to jail. It did not specify what the state was going to do. It just made vague references to "or else" or "the hard way."
"No Jacobson was forced to have a vaccine or go to jail. If he refused he would be in jail"
While the court decided that the states (the states, not the federal government) have the right to mandate vaccines, I have been unable to find any reference to sending Jacobson to jail. Apparently, the punishment was a fine if he refused. https://constitution.laws.com/preamble/jacobson-v-massachusetts-1905
However, you're beating around the bush. If the government throws people in prison for refusing vaccines, then it should be easy for you to find systematic (not anecdotal) evidence of this. Instead, there are large numbers of people and children who are not vaccinated who are not in prison.
"Your article's are fake news."
Saying "It's fake" isn't an argument. Prove they're fake.
"Your biased fact checkers are created to stop the spread of conspiracy theory's.They are doing that because they are true."
Or it could just be that the conspiracy theories are wrong, and the fact checkers are trying to keep gullible people from falling for them. Why is that less likely than an enormous, worldwide cover-up?
"tech giant Google will begin cracking down on adverts featuring "misleading health claims" linked to Coronavirus and 5G conspiracy theories, it was revealed this week"
Google isn't the government. They are a corporation. They have the right to kick people and ideas off their platform. That doesn't necessarily mean that they should, but they have the right to. If they really wanted to, they could boot everyone who doesn't literally bow down and worship Google. It would be stupid, but they have the legal right to do so.
"Can an employer fire you if a female gets an abortion.Or if a man gets a transgender surgery."
It depends. If I recall correctly, it's legal for Christian universities to fire their employees for behavior that contradicts their statement of beliefs, so an organization like that could. A different organization that doesn't have a code of conduct or statement of beliefs might not be able to. However, neither of these behaviors endanger other people in the workplace. Can't say the same about the aborted baby, though.
"Can i choose not to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding."
You might get dragged through the courts for several years, but you could, and you would probably win in the end, given the current makeup of the Supreme Court. So, yes.
"Can my employer force me to take any other pharmaceutical like diabetes or bipolar.Can my employer force me to take antibiotics."
No, and he probably couldn't fire you for them either, because refusing to take those medications only affects you. In the case of vaccines, being unvaccinated would endanger people in the workplace, so he could absolutely fire you for refusing vaccines. He couldn't force you to take them, though. You have the right to refuse vaccines because it's your health that's at risk. However, when school or work gets involved, other people's health becomes a concern, and employers and schools have the right to refuse or fire people to avoid endangering their students or employees.
"I stand by no vaccine is safe."
Then substantiate that claim by proving that every single vaccine ever is dangerous. Show me proof for every single one.
"They have not done the proper safety test in over 30 years"
Nonsense. Every single vaccine has to be given to thousands of people to test for safety before they can be approved for general use.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html
"Jeffery Kennedy exposed by suing and winning over that.Which you had a pretty hard time responding to."
Jeffery Kennedy is not a medical experts, and neither are the people in the judicial system. There's nothing to respond to. Their opinions are meaningless because they are not backed by relevant qualifications and work in the related fields.
"Snope is fake news."
Saying "It's fake" isn't an argument. Prove it's fake.
"They responded to cannibalism claims by saying we only make our taste receptor's they put in Pepsi out of aborted babies."
Not what they said. Here's what they actually said: "neither Pepsi nor any other U.S. food company is manufacturing or selling any consumable products “that are actually made using the cell tissue of unborn babies that were murdered through abortion.” What we’re talking about here is a cell line derived from a single (healthy, aborted) fetus over forty years ago: claiming that current food products employing flavorings derived from research based on the HEK 293 cell line “are actually made using the cell tissue of unborn babies” is like saying that possessing a digitized image of a photocopy of a picture of a Beethoven manuscript is the same as “owning a document in Beethoven’s own handwriting” — the original is not present in substance, only in a multi-generational, representational form."
"They bluntly ignore are the court ruling showing the gardisol shot has killed and focus on there lie's.us court just paid 6 million because of the gardison shot."
That's because the people in the judicial system are not medical experts. Courts frequently make wrong decisions, especially about things like this that the judges don't know anything about. You might as well cite a plumber as an authority on quantum mechanics as cite a court as an authority on science.
"Your article linked a source that had been taken down. They took down the source of that medical investigation.Wonder why."
Hmm...because that was 11 years ago and they have more data that says exactly the same thing, except that it's more up to date?
"All that left is the Indian governments and India doctor's spreading the truth of what happened."
Why do you believe they're telling the truth?
"The source for this information that the article linked no longer exist.It was a government site and they took down this information"
The link doesn't work, but the information is easy to find. Here's an fda report from 2009 on the subject.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/gardasil-vaccine-safety
Here's a report on gardasil with data from 2014 to 2017.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31740500/
Here's an entire webpage devoted to the safety and effectiveness of the HPV vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/hcp/vaccine-safety-data.html#adverse-events
Contrary to your assertions, they aren't hiding anything. They're posting the data for all to see.
"Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017."
Nope. This claim originated from Robert F. Kennedy but has no basis in reality.
https://thelogicalindian.com/fact-check/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-covid-19-gates-foundation-21270
In fact, the region of the world India is in was polio-free in 2014.
https://www.who.int/southeastasia/news/detail/27-03-2019-marking-five-years-of-polio-free-certification-who-south-east-asia-region-uses-polio-legacy-to-enhance-overall-immunization
"In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain."
What's your source?
"children health defense is ran by Robert f Kennedy nephew of our former president.He is very qualified to make these article's he is a lawyer who defends people injured by vaccine's."
No, he isn't. He has absolutely no medical expertise, and, as I just showed you, he is willing to make up outlandish accusations out of thin air. He is not qualified; he is a liar.
"My employer can not discriminate against my political viewpoint.Vaccine's are a political viewpoint."
Your opinions about vaccines are a political viewpoint, but your vaccination record (i.e. whether you've been vaccinated) is not. Your employer can't fire you for thinking vaccines are bad, but he can fire you for not being vaccinated."
Can an employer fire you if a female gets an abortion.Or if a man gets a transgender surgery.Can i choose not to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding.Can my employer force me to take any other pharmaceutical like diabetes or bipolar.Can my employer force me to take antibiotics.
"tech giant Google will begin cracking down on adverts featuring "misleading health claims" linked to Coronavirus and 5G conspiracy theories, it was revealed this week"
They are doing this because they are true.You do not prove a man a lair by cutting his tongue off.5g is melting your brain.
https://sputniknews.com/science/202004081078880884-never-mind-the-bcks-google-to-censor-covid-19-5g-conspiracies-amid-string-of-uk-mast-attacks/
I stand by no vaccine is safe.They have not done the proper safety test in over 30 years which Jeffery Kennedy exposed by suing and winning over that.
Which you had a pretty hard time responding to.
"No vaccine is safe.Robert f kennedy just sued the heck out of hhc because they have not done the proper safety testing in 30 years"
Robert F. Kennedy's opinion on vaccines is totally meaningless."
Snope is fake news.They responded to cannibalism claims by saying we only make our taste receptor's they put in Pepsi out of aborted babies.They bluntly ignore are the court ruling showing the gardisol shot has killed and focus on there lie's.us court just paid 6 million because of the gardison shot.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/senomyx-flavor-additive/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/
"to quote from the article, "A full medical investigation determined that the girls died from causes completely unrelated to the vaccine. Some were poisoned by insecticide, malaria took others, and one drowned."
Your article linked a source that had been taken down. They took down the source of that medical investigation.Wonder why.All that left is the Indian governments and India doctor's spreading the truth of what happened.
https://www.icmr.gov.in/final/HPV%20PATH%20final%20report.pdf
The source for this information that the article linked no longer exist.It was a government site and they took down this information
"Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.
Gates’ obsession with vaccines seems to be fueled by a conviction to save the world with technology.
Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI), which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.
The most frightening [polio] epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines are all linked to vaccines.
In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.
"In 2009, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court."
"https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/"
That is an incredibly unreliable source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/
Furthermore, that specific claim is false.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/dec/20/blog-posting/anti-vaccination-blog-revives-debunked-hpv-story/
To quote from the article, "A full medical investigation determined that the girls died from causes completely unrelated to the vaccine. Some were poisoned by insecticide, malaria took others, and one drowned."
children health defense is ran by Robert f Kennedy nephew of our former president.He is very qualified to make these article's he is a lawyer who defends people injured by vaccine's.
""https://youtu.be/18bCga8yo-I?t=865"
YouTube is the definition of an unreliable source."
I linked you to a fox news segment talking about giving your child a shot or going to jail.
"1905 Supreme Court decision, Jacobson V. Massachusetts,"
No Jacobson was forced to have a vaccine or go to jail. If he refused he would be in jail
Your article's are fake news.Your biased fact checkers are created to stop the spread of conspiracy theory's.They are doing that because they are true.
Furthermore, the logic you're using is flawed at the most basic level. Simply because 100% of vaccines are not 100% safe does not mean that 100% of vaccines are 100% dangerous. You are making an enormous and unwarranted logical leap.
"Legal experts confirmed for the Verify team that the 1905 Supreme Court decision, Jacobson V. Massachusetts, gives states the authority to not only mandate vaccinations but also institute punishments like fines or jail time. "
Yes, they have the authority. However, having the authority and using the authority are not the same thing. To quote an article you linked earlier, "There is no civil or criminal penalty for refusing to vaccinate children in any state, and all states allow parents to opt out for medical reasons."
"don't want to get a vaccine for yourself or your child? Prepare to face the consequences. In the last month, a Detroit mother went to jail because she refused to vaccinate her child."
No, she went to jail because she violated a court order.
"Fifty people lost their jobs at a group of Midwestern hospitals and clinics because they declined a flu shot. And an Oregon university has blocked students from registering for classes unless they have a meningitis shot."
Employers are allowed to fire people. Being unvaccinated is not a protected status. Universities are allowed to attempt to halt the spread of diseases on their campus.
"Some countries" are not the US.
"i doubt any politician care's about my safety"
Maybe not, but they do care about getting reelected, which forces them to care.
" (CNN)The head of the US Food and Drug Administration says that if states don't require more schoolchildren to get vaccinated, the federal government might have to step in."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/health/vaccine-exemptions-fda-gottlieb/index.html
There federal government forcing vaccine's."
No, that isn't the federal government forcing vaccines. That's the FDA chief making vague statements about federal agencies limiting vaccine exemptions in schools. As was mentioned in the article, that would almost certainly lead to a legal challenge. Also, even if his ideas were carried out, it still wouldn't force anyone to get vaccinated, although it would provide strong incentives to do so.
"My employer can not discriminate against my political viewpoint.Vaccine's are a political viewpoint."
Your opinions about vaccines are a political viewpoint, but your vaccination record (i.e. whether you've been vaccinated) is not. Your employer can't fire you for thinking vaccines are bad, but he can fire you for not being vaccinated.
""At least 400 children in India would have developed polio after receiving the oral polio vaccine (OPV) over the past five years"
This is because they are using an oral vaccine that contains a live virus. In rare cases, it can cause actual polio. However, there is a better injected vaccine containing a dead virus that has no risk of causing polio. This is the one used in developed countries like the US.
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/16/780068006/how-the-oral-polio-vaccine-can-cause-polio
Yes, there are sometimes vaccines that cause people to get the disease that it's supposed to prevent. This is extremely rare.
"In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK's experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects, including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions, to 1,048 of the 5,949 children. During Gates' 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates' operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis."
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/"
That is an incredibly unreliable source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/childrens-health-defense/
Furthermore, that specific claim is false.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/dec/20/blog-posting/anti-vaccination-blog-revives-debunked-hpv-story/
To quote from the article, "A full medical investigation determined that the girls died from causes completely unrelated to the vaccine. Some were poisoned by insecticide, malaria took others, and one drowned."
"No vaccine is safe.Robert f kennedy just sued the heck out of hhc because they have not done the proper safety testing in 30 years"
Robert F. Kennedy's opinion on vaccines is totally meaningless.
"Court Ruling Confirms Merck’s Gardasil HPV Vaccine Kills People – Did Anyone Even Notice"
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2019/01/court-ruling-confirms-mercks-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-kills-people-did-anyone-even-notice.html
The stories of people being killed by the HPV vaccine lack any strong causal link between the vaccine and the death.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/06/08/gardasil-vaccine/
"https://youtu.be/18bCga8yo-I?t=865"
YouTube is the definition of an unreliable source.
"https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290"
This is because of the same oral vaccine I mentioned earlier. Also, the fact that a even a few cases of polio being caused by vaccines outnumbers the cases of polio being caused naturally should tell you something about how effectively this once widespread disease has been eradicated by vaccines.
"yes, states can legally mandate a vaccine, and fine or jail you for refusing it The Verify team looked into a viral post claiming that states have the authority to mandate a vaccination ..."
"Legal experts confirmed for the Verify team that the 1905 Supreme Court decision, Jacobson V. Massachusetts, gives states the authority to not only mandate vaccinations but also institute punishments like fines or jail time. "
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/can-a-state-force-me-to-take-a-vaccine-mandations-united-states-requirement/65-4a95a459-7055-4c7e-aaa3-8f4e5fe53b98
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290
"Fox noted authorities in the United States have never attempted to jail people for refusing to vaccinate
here is a fox news report talking about jailing people for not vaccinating
https://youtu.be/18bCga8yo-I?t=855
"don't want to get a vaccine for yourself or your child? Prepare to face the consequences. In the last month, a Detroit mother went to jail because she refused to vaccinate her child. Fifty people lost their jobs at a group of Midwestern hospitals and clinics because they declined a flu shot. And an Oregon university has blocked students from registering for classes unless they have a meningitis shot.
As governments and communities reassess how to handle parents who hesitate or decline when offered vaccinations, "
"Some countries think even stronger penalties are in order. Beginning in January, Australia passed a law instituting a $5,500 AUD (about $4,200 USD) fine for daycare center operators in one Australian state who accept unvaccinated children. Italian parents will also begin to face fines in 2018 for refusing to vaccinate their children."
https://www.newsweek.com/sending-parents-jail-refusing-vaccinate-doesnt-work-say-experts-730439
"I don't doubt that there are politicians who think like this. However, this does not translate to the federal government forcing people to be vaccinated. This is just argument by insinuation."
i doubt any politician care's about my safety
" (CNN)The head of the US Food and Drug Administration says that if states don't require more schoolchildren to get vaccinated, the federal government might have to step in."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/health/vaccine-exemptions-fda-gottlieb/index.html
There federal government forcing vaccine's.
My employer can not discriminate against my political viewpoint.Vaccine's are a political viewpoint.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/can-you-be-fired-for-your_b_9154066
They are using safety as an excuse to poison everyone with dangerous pharmaceuticals.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin"
"
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/those-who-would-give-up-liberty-for-safety-deserve-neither/
Vaccines are dangerous
"At least 400 children in India would have developed polio after receiving the oral polio vaccine (OPV) over the past five years"
"Oral polio vaccine causing paralysis in kids: Study "
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/oct/23/oral-polio-vaccine-causing-paralysis-in-kids-study-2051670.html
"In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK's experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects, including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions, to 1,048 of the 5,949 children. During Gates' 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates' operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis."
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/
No vaccine is safe.Robert f kennedy just sued the heck out of hhc because they have not done the proper safety testing in 30 years.
https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations/
"Court Ruling Confirms Merck’s Gardasil HPV Vaccine Kills People – Did Anyone Even Notice"
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2019/01/court-ruling-confirms-mercks-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-kills-people-did-anyone-even-notice.html
"Fox noted authorities in the United States have never attempted to jail people for refusing to vaccinate
here is a fox news report talking about jailing people for not vaccinating
https://youtu.be/18bCga8yo-I?t=865
"More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus"
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
No power is being ceded to the federal government so far as the vaccine is concerned, and the states and local governments already had that power. Employers have always had the right to terminate people, so long as they aren't discriminating based on any protected status (being unvaccinated isn't one).
"president bush took away our privacy in order to make sure i was not Muslim.He took away so many rights under the pretext of safety. They invaded millions of people's privacy under the pretext of safety.This was done under the patriot act."
And he was wrong to do so. The patriot act was unconstitutional.
"Right now they are using the tragedy's of school shooting's to try take away the right to own guns.This is what they are doing right now."
That also is wrong, and that also is unconstitutional. I'm not here to say that the government never abuses their power.
"They are using this virus to take away more Americans rights.They do not care if the virus spreads to infinity.They are just using that as a reason to take away rights."
I don't doubt that there are politicians who think like this. However, this does not translate to the federal government forcing people to be vaccinated. This is just argument by insinuation.
"https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/"
Yes, unsafe vaccines occasionally happen. However, this doesn't mean that the government wants that to happen or that all vaccines are unsafe. All this says is that there was an unsafe vaccine 65 years ago. This is more argument by insinuation.
"https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/states-have-authority-to-fine-or-jail-people-who-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-attorney-says"
From the article: "Fox noted authorities in the United States have never attempted to jail people for refusing to vaccinate, but other countries like France have adopted the aggressive tactic." So it actually hasn't happened in the US. Sure, the states theoretically have the power to mandate a vaccine, but "could" does not mean "will", although some states might try it.
"Detroit mom jailed for refusing court order to vaccinate
https://www.today.com/health/detroit-mom-jailed-refusing-court-order-vaccinate-child-t117126"
If you read the article, the refusal to vaccinate was only an issue because of the court order. From the article: "There is no civil or criminal penalty for refusing to vaccinate children in any state, and all states allow parents to opt out for medical reasons. Some states also allow parents to decline to vaccinate their kids for philosophical or religious reasons, although no organized religion explicitly disallows vaccination. What Rebecca Bredow’s case is about is her refusal to follow orders she agreed to, said Oakland County, Michigan, Circuit Court Judge Karen McDonald." She wasn't jailed for refusing to vaccinate. She had agreed to a court order to vaccinate her children and then violated the order she had agreed to. Furthermore, she had "disregarded other court orders and agreements made as part of her divorce from Horne, changing schools and therapists without the consent of the childrens’ father." The issue was not the vaccination but the court order. That vaccination was involved was coincidental.
president bush took away our privacy in order to make sure i was not Muslim.He took away so many rights under the pretext of safety. They invaded millions of people's privacy under the pretext of safety.This was done under the patriot act. Right now they are using the tragedy's of school shooting's to try take away the right to own guns.This is what they are doing right now.They are using this virus to take away more Americans rights. They do not care if the virus spreads to infinity.They are just using that as a reason to take away rights.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
"
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/those-who-would-give-up-liberty-for-safety-deserve-neither/
I will not be given a shot and loose my freedoms under the pretext of safety.
I will fight for my right to not be injected with a drug that would make me stupid or paralyze me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/
Jailing for not vaccinating
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/states-have-authority-to-fine-or-jail-people-who-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-attorney-says
"States have authority to fine or jail people who refuse coronavirus vaccine, attorney says"
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/states-have-authority-to-fine-or-jail-people-who-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-attorney-says
Detroit mom jailed for refusing court order to vaccinate
https://www.today.com/health/detroit-mom-jailed-refusing-court-order-vaccinate-child-t117126
Instigator
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"It was optional before the virus had spread so far that masks were necessary. Now that the virus has spread across the country, it is necessary for people to wear masks."
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin
"
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/those-who-would-give-up-liberty-for-safety-deserve-neither/
You will say the same thing about the vaccine designed to make you stupid
"It was an example.You are taking my stuff out of context.You did the same thing with my mark of the beast comment."
Sorry, that isn't my intention.
"They said it was optional.Now it's mandatory."
It was optional before the virus had spread so far that masks were necessary. Now that the virus has spread across the country, it is necessary for people to wear masks.
"They have thrown people in jail for not vaccinating in past."
When? Do you have a source?
"I was saying that those situations are the same as being barred from public space's like school and work."
Being thrown in prison is not at all the same as being barred from school or work. One is the government actively punishing people; the other is schools and employers trying to keep the virus from spreading in their facilities.
"Stop taking my stuff out of context."
Sorry, it isn't on purpose.
"But i do believe they are going to throw people in jail for not taking it."
Why?
"They already do it with other vaccine's"
No, they don't. Do you have a source for this claim?
"if i compare not taking vaccine and not being allowed to work or go to school. To not taking the mark and not being able to buy and sell.I am comparing the two not saying vaccine is mark."
Ok. I misunderstood you. There are people out there who are actually saying the covid vaccine will be the mark of the beast, so I thought that was what you were saying. My bad.
If i say that putting a vaccine in a cow.Is like putting a pill in a piece of ham so the dog eat it.I am comparing the two. I am not saying they are putting vaccine's in ham.
if i compare not taking vaccine and not being allowed to work or go to school. To not taking the mark and not being able to buy and sell.I am comparing the two not saying vaccine is mark.
If i compare barring people from work and school for not taking vaccine.To be thrown in jail.It is an example. I am saying they are similar.No t that they have declared they would do it.
They have thrown people in jail for not vaccinating in past.I was saying that those situations are the same as being barred from public space's like school and work.Stop taking my stuff out of context.I was clearly not saying they were throwing people in jail for covid 19 vaccine that is not here.I did not say that stop[ taking my stuff out of context.It was an example.You did the same thing with my mark on the beast comment.But i do believe they are going to throw people in jail for not taking it.They already do it with other vaccine's
Ok it was state law that i have to wear a mask.They said it was optional.Now it's mandatory.
It was an example.You are taking my stuff out of context.You did the same thing with my mark of the beast comment.
That has been done in the.I was saying that is the same as being barred from public space's and school.Stop taking my stuff out of context
"If i do not get a covid 19 vaccine and i get thrown in jail because of it.Was the jail an incentive.That is mandatory. For example my mom vaccinated her cow because you can not get it butchered without vaccinations. That's mandatory.If i get fined money because i do not vaccinate.Then it is mandatory.They are punishing me if i do not get."
There's no evidence that they're going to put people in jail or fine them for not taking the vaccine.
"So no barring people from public space's like schools is mandatory."
It's a strong incentive, but it is still different than being mandatory. Also, the federal government isn't the ones making that kind of mandate. It's the state and local governments that are doing that.
"They said mask were optional."
That was before the virus had spread so far that they were necessary for everyone.
"Now it is federal law that i can not go outside without a mask."
No, it isn't. It's the state and local governments that are mandating masks. The federal government hasn't done that and does not have the power to do that.
"Covid 19 vaccine will be mandatory i promise you."
What is your promise based on? A nonexistent federal mask mandate?
"All vaccine are mandatory in a way because you are giving them to newborn baby's"
Those aren't mandatory. The parents can refuse those.
"Experts say it appears government agencies and even employers can require people to get a COVID-19 vaccine once it’s available."
I already responded to that.
Oromagi.It's not normal to not question activity like this.
http://robertsingerauthor.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/screen-shot-2016-12-08-at-7-45-20-pm.png?w=584
http://robertsingerauthor.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/screen-shot-2016-12-08-at-7-39-59-pm.png?w=584
https://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=59526
"Experts say it appears government agencies and even employers can require people to get a COVID-19 vaccine once it’s available."
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-vaccination-refusal-mandate
They said Face mask were optional before making them mandatory.Covid 19 vaccine will be mandatory i promise you. All vaccine are mandatory in a way because you are giving them to newborn baby's
The irony of believing PizzaGate but then citing Alan "but I never took my underwear off" Dershowitz
If i do not get a covid 19 vaccine and i get thrown in jail because of it.Was the jail an incentive.That is mandatory. For example my mom vaccinated her cow because you can not get it butchered without vaccinations. That's mandatory.If i get fined money because i do not vaccinate.Then it is mandatory.They are punishing me if i do not get.So no barring people from public space's like schools is mandatory.Look i already believed Some of them were going to say it is not mandatory.Before making it mandatory.
They said mask were optional.Now it is federal law that i can not go outside without a mask.Vaccines will be the same way.
"Experts say it appears government agencies and even employers can require people to get a COVID-19 vaccine once it’s available."
Yes, they can require their employees to vaccinated or be fired. However, while a strong incentive, that's still different that a mandate.
I do understand where you're coming from, although I disagree with it. Even in the absence of a mandate from the federal government, employers and schools can put considerable pressure on people to get vaccinated. However, I don't see that as a bad thing. Employers and schools would be within their rights to do that. Furthermore, people should be incentivized, but not mandated, to do get the vaccines. Yes, they can absolutely refuse if they want to. It's their own life, after all. However, going to work or school with other people without being vaccinated puts others at risk.
"I did not say the mark of the beast was the vaccine's"
Ok.
"The hpv vaccine is mandatory to all 12 and 11 years old.
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140530716/in-texas-perrys-vaccine-mandate-provoked-anger"
What Texas does with the HPV vaccine has nothing to do with what the federal government will do with the covid vaccine.
"Those article's are right forced is unconstitutional but that has not stopped them."
It would be if the federal government was doing it. States have more power than the federal government.
"State laws establish vaccination requirements for school children. These laws often apply not only to children attending public schools.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/state-reqs.html"
Again, those are state laws, not the federal government.
"Look this is a mandate.You are mandating vaccine's if you punish those whose who do not take it."
Refusing to have unvaccinated kids in school is a strong incentive to get vaccinated, but that isn't the same thing as mandating it, although I get why it seems similar.
"Do you believe that the covid 19 vaccine will not be required to go to school."
Some states will probably do that, and others probably won't.
"Then your kidding yourself.That is mandatory"
It is a strong incentive to get the covid vaccine. It isn't a mandate.
"Experts say it appears government agencies and even employers can require people to get a COVID-19 vaccine once it’s available."
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-vaccination-refusal-mandate
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-vaccination-refusal-mandate
The hpv vaccine is mandatory to all 12 and 11 years old.
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140530716/in-texas-perrys-vaccine-mandate-provoked-anger
Those article's are right forced is unconstitutional but that has not stopped them.
"State laws establish vaccination requirements for school children. These laws often apply not only to children attending public schools."
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/state-reqs.html
Look this is a mandate.You are mandating vaccine's if you punish those whose who do not take it.Do you believe that the covid 19 vaccine will not be required to go to school.Then your kidding yourself.That is mandatory