First, I have to get a shoutout to K_Michael, who corrected me saying that the food Sandwich is named after the Earl of Sandwich. Of course, I am not using the reason that a Hot Dog is not that British nobleman because otherwise, that will be cheating.
However, there is a twist to it:
- The British Nobleman, Earl of Sandwich invented the Sandwich, formally named it, and made it go famous(Before this, nothing in the structure of a sandwich is called a sandwich)
- The Earl of Sandwich intended the food to be made with two pieces of bread on the top and bottom, while the filling between.[1]
- Consequently, he would ask his servants to bring him slices of meat between two slices of bread, a habit well-known among his gambling friends.
- The Hot Dog is not even remotely close to the structure of the intended Sandwich[See R1]. It has one piece of bread with a thin slit, with no resemblance to an actual, 100% defined sandwich(Such as the BLT)You may argue that the one piece of sandwich still holds the sausage inside, but if so, go call a pizza and a Pop-tart a sandwich, as well as Chinese Dumplings, because in all 3 of them the wheat flour portion holds the filling(Such as meat) together.
- Earl of Sandwich wouldn't call a Hot Dog nor an open sandwich a sandwich. Since the definition of Sandwich revolve around him because he initially defined it(That is an understatement. He INVENTED the concept, which the concept is something(preferably meat such as ham) between 2 edible materials(such as bread)), Neither open sandwiches nor hot dogs would be, orthodoxically, a sandwich,
My opponent has stated that the Hot Dog is structured similar to a Subway Sandwich, and he asserts that makes a Hot dog a sandwich. However, no.
The Sub Sandwich is often made with 2 buns instead of 1.[2] Even then, the fact the Sub sandwich is split horizontally instead of vertically made that "One" piece act as both the top and bottom. It is eaten horizontally like most other sandwiches such as the BLT. That is different from the Hot Dog.
This brings me to my next point.
Wait for it, wait for it...dadadada....dadadada....daaatatattatttada.....Hot Dogs aren't made in the intention to be recognized as sandwiches!
According to Wikipedia, which has roughly the same information as other sites, states:
Feuchtwanger's wife proposed the use of a bun in 1880: Feuchtwanger sold hot dogs on the streets of St. Louis, Missouri, and provided gloves to his customers so that they could handle the sausages without burning their hands.[3]
Hot Dogs are to be made with ONE bun, and that is its intended use. Sub sandwiches are, otherwise, a variation of 2-bread sandwiches in which it is long and can be made with one bun. Sub sandwiches, as the name suggests, is made to be a variation of a sandwich.
Feuchtwanger's wife proposed the use of a bun in 1880: Feuchtwanger sold hot dogs on the streets of St. Louis, Missouri, and provided gloves to his customers so that they could handle the sausages without burning their hands.
Hot dogs with the bread are invented because the seller wants to people to eat it with something else, so it is like a plate or something alike. An edible plate. Then it evolved to be folded. Hot Dogs actually look like this when it was first modernized.[4] That is the intended way. Does this look anything like a sandwich to you? not for me. If you are telling me that this is a sandwich, you are as well admitting burritos are sandwiches. The sausage touches an arc at the bottom but it is nothing near being sandwiched by two pieces of bread.
[5], Since the USDA is a rather orthodox organization and its concept is more organized than what the people made without the explicit admission of the organizations with the right to say what is something or not, I will be using the USDA definition.
3. USDA: A SANDWICH IS MEAT BETWEEN TWO SLICES OF BREAD
If you want to know the definition of a certain dish, the officials at the U.S. Department of Agriculture are good people to ask. It’s their job to make sure that the nation’s supply of meat is correctly labeled. When it comes to sandwiches, the agency follows strict criteria. “A sandwich is a meat or poultry filling between two slices of bread, a bun, or a biscuit,” Mark Wheeler, who works in food and safety at the USDA,
told NPR. His definition comes from the Food Standards and Labeling Policy Book used by the department (the USDA only covers the “labeling of meat, poultry, and egg products,” while the FDA handles everything else, which is why the USDA's definition excludes things like grilled cheese). Not included under their umbrella of foodstuff served between bread are burritos, wraps, and hot dogs.
The USDA says that a Burrito or a Taco is something like a sandwich, but not a sandwich definitely.[6]
I have proved why the Hot Dog isn't between two slices of bread, but merely on top of it.
This would negate the Hot Dog being officially a sandwich, consider it is one connected piece of bread, with the meat not between the "two" pieces of bread, but merely on top of them.
Refutations:
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Check source [5].
8 - Submarine sandwich is a sandwich:
- Subway sells sandwiches.
- Subway's core product is the submarine sandwich (or "sub") [5].
- Submarine sandwich, also known as a sub, hoagie, hero, or grinder, is a type of sandwich consisting of a length of bread or roll split lengthwise and filled with a variety of meats, cheeses, vegetables, and condiments [6].
9 - It follows from item (8) that split rolls are allowed as sandwich container.
Sub Sandwiches are mutated sandwiches almost to the point where it is NOT a sandwich, however, because it is structured similarly, I can pass it on. Hot dogs do not have the structure of a sandwich, and it is up to my opponent to prove why the Hot Dog is a Sub Sandwich or something alike.
10 - A sandwich doesn't need to have (necessarily) two slices of breads. Look at this classic sandwich with 3 slices [7], it's my first result in Google images when searching for the word "sandwich".
Still similar structures though, come back later when you have a complete sandwich with fillings not between the pieces of bread.
11- Even the NHDSC (National Hot Dog and Sausage Council), with all its bias, implies that hot dogs are sandwiches [8]:
- "Limiting the hot dog’s significance by saying it’s 'just a sandwich' category is like calling the Dalai Lama 'just a guy'."
- "hot dog formerly known as a sandwich."
There is no doubt that still the Dalai Lama is a guy.
They are not really correct. Hot Dogs aren't to be sandwiches, nor their structure is similar to the official sandwich. Saying a Hot dog is a sandwich is like saying a motorbike is a car.
Also, I would like my opponent to answer this for the 2nd time.
If I call the waiter to give me any sandwich, and then he gives you a hot dog, is this expected?
12 - "Hot dog is a sandwich" is just a neutral position [9].
I give my opponent two days of time to prove why a Pop-tart is a sandwich. it is one piece of "bread" whatsoever.
13 - New York tax policy says that hot dogs are sandwiches [10].
I am a bit skeptical about that one though. NY lists whatever served on bread as a sandwich, including tacos and burritos. However, your Wikipedia source listed that neither of those is sandwiches.
Pro argues that an Oreo or everything that follows the rules: 1) can be eaten portably, 2) have a top and a botton, 3) fllings inside; can be considered a sandwich. It seems to me that given those conditions a Hot dog is a sandwich.
You? Look, a hot dog, according to source [4], there is only a left and right, if you can even call them separate. Also, I would ask my opponent what is a flling? That is not part of my definition.
An Ice cream sandwich or even an Oreo count as a sandwich consider it has a structure in which it:
- Can be eaten portably
- Have a Top and a Bottom
- Fillings inside
Pro later says that "Hot Dogs, on the contrary, have "two" pieces of bread" almost contradicting himself.
It is one, not two. Either my opponent misread or that this reason holds no value at all.
Pro argues that hot dogs are not recognized as sandwiches but even Pro evidence suggest the contrary: "in a survey 34 percent, said "yes" to hot dog as sandwich"
(they are recognized as sandwiches for more than 1/3). Also my evidence suggest the contrary.
Let me give my opponent an example. Joe Biden got 60% of votes, Trump got 40% of the votes. Thus Trump should be the president! Is it right? No. The official definition also states that a Hot Dog is not a sandwich.
Conclusion:
1. An official sandwich is of 2 slices of bread with things between, preferably meat.
2. Earl of Sandwich invented the concept of a Sandwich, which is what is written above.
3. A Hot Dog is served ON TOP of a bun instead of between two.
Sources:
Argument is Done.
I wish my opponent good luck debating the 2nd round.
Best quote nomination:
"Roasting a pet dog(the act is discouraged whatsoever) does not make the product a sandwich" -User_2006
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"Sandwiches still have only 1 piece of bread. "
Sorry for making that error. What I was to convey is that "Hot Dogs still have only 1 piece of bread".
Technically, the sandwich got its name from the Earl of Sandwich, not the town itself.