Instigator / Pro

gbroberg

1497

rating

debates

0.0%

won

Topic

#1799

Prison firefighters - Pro

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Better arguments

Better sources

Better legibility

Better conduct

After 5 votes and with 35 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi

Tags

Science

Parameters

Publication date: 03.03.2020 08:09PM
Last updated date: 03.26.2020 11:04PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 1,500
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

oromagi

1922

rating

117

debates

97.44%

won

Description

Prison labor is an acceptable practice.

Round 1

gbroberg

03.12.2020 07:45PM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

03.12.2020 10:07PM

Con

THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

Since PRO has forfeited 2 opportunities to set the terms of this debate, CON offers the following:

DEFS:

COLORADO [COL] is "a state of the Western United States encompassing most of the southern Rocky Mountains as well as the northeastern portion of the Colorado Plateau and the western edge of the Great Plains"

EMPLOY is "to hire (somebody for work or a job)"

PRISONER is "a person incarcerated in a prison, while on trial or serving a sentence"

FIREFIGHTING is "the act of attempting to prevent the spread of and extinguish significant unwanted fires in buildings, vehicles, woodlands, etc"

BoP:

Wikipedia:

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

CON interprets the res to mean that PRO has the burden to prove that prisoners ought to be used as firefighters.

ARG#1:

On Nov 6, 2018, voters in Col approved an amendment to Art II, Sec 26 of the Col Constitution to remove the "punishment for crime" exception to state prohibitions against slavery. State employment of firefighters is unconstitutional.

ARG#2:

In Col, forest firefighter is an excellent paying short term job for which applicants shouldn't have to compete w/ prison labor.

ARG#3

Large scale wildfire fighting is anti-ecological and expensive.

Round 2

gbroberg

03.19.2020 10:07PM

Pro

Forfeited

oromagi

03.19.2020 11:04PM

Con

thx, gbroberg

THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

CON notes that PRO has not been online for 13 days.
CON asks VOTERS to find for CON FULL FORFEIT

and thanks to all VOTERS for their kind consideration.

fauxlaw

03.24.2020 03:27AM

-->

@oromagi

You're very welcome, my friend

oromagi

03.24.2020 02:11AM

-->

@RationalMadman

@Barney

@K_Michael

@Trent0405

@fauxlaw

Thanks to all for voting.

K_Michael

03.20.2020 04:48AM

-->

@gbroberg

What if the prisoners were paid?

oromagi

03.12.2020 10:09PM

-->

@gbroberg

R1 sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/employ
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prisoner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_%28philosophy%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Amendment_A_%282018%29
https://study.com/articles/Forest_Firefighter_Salary_Info_Job_Duties_and_Requirements.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
https://psmag.com/environment/only-a-rethink-can-prevent-forest-fires

RationalMadman

03.23.2020 11:46PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

FF .

fauxlaw

03.23.2020 08:47AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full forfeiture by Pro - points to Con

K_Michael

03.20.2020 04:49AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full forfeit

Barney

03.20.2020 02:15AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeiture!

Trent0405

03.20.2020 12:23AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full forfeit.