Instigator / Pro
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gbroberg
1497
rating
1
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#1799

Prison firefighters - Pro

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
0
10
Better legibility
0
5
Better conduct
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5

After 5 votes and with 35 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Tags
Science
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
1,500
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
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35
oromagi
1922
rating
117
debates
97.44%
won
Description

Prison labor is an acceptable practice.

Round 1
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gbroberg
Pro
#1
Forfeited
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oromagi
Con
#2
THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

Since PRO has forfeited 2 opportunities to set the terms of this debate, CON offers the following:

DEFS:

COLORADO  [COL] is "a state of the Western United States encompassing most of the southern Rocky Mountains as well as the northeastern portion of the Colorado Plateau and the western edge of the Great Plains"

EMPLOY  is "to hire (somebody for work or a job)"

PRISONER  is "a person incarcerated in a prison, while on trial or serving a sentence"

FIREFIGHTING is "the act of attempting to prevent the spread of and extinguish significant unwanted fires in buildings, vehicles, woodlands, etc"

BoP:


"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

CON interprets the res to mean that PRO has the burden to prove that prisoners ought to be used as firefighters.

ARG#1: 

On Nov 6, 2018, voters in Col approved an amendment to Art II, Sec 26 of the Col Constitution to remove the "punishment for crime" exception to state prohibitions against slavery.  State employment of firefighters is unconstitutional.

ARG#2:
 
In Col, forest firefighter is an excellent paying short term job for which applicants shouldn't have to compete w/ prison labor.

ARG#3

Large scale wildfire fighting is anti-ecological and expensive.
Round 2
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gbroberg
Pro
#3
Forfeited
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Con
#4
thx, gbroberg

THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

  • CON notes that PRO has not been online for 13 days. 
  • CON asks VOTERS to find for CON FULL FORFEIT
    • and thanks to all VOTERS for their kind consideration.