Instigator / Pro

DynamicSquid

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Topic

#1717

There is nothing wrong with pineapple on a pizza

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 3 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

WaterPhoenix

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Philosophy

Parameters

Publication date: 12.16.2019 02:23AM
Last updated date: 12.30.2019 11:34PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 1,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

WaterPhoenix

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Description

-- BoP --

Con has to prove that putting pineapple pizza a wrong of some sort

Pro has to refute Con's arguments

Round 1

DynamicSquid

12.18.2019 03:07AM

Pro

BoP rests on Con, so I await his case.

WaterPhoenix

12.19.2019 08:27PM

Con

Definitions:

Pizza: A dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked

Pineapple: A tropical monocotyledonous plant (Ananas comosus of the family Bromeliaceae, the pineapple family) that has rigid spiny-margined recurved leaves and a short stalk with a dense oblong head of small abortive flowers

Pineapple on pizza is absolutely disgusting and it's the 3rd most disliked pizza topping in the U.S alone. [1] Making it a waste of resources that not many people even eat. It also creates a lot of unhealthy controversy for pizza in general.

Sources:

theharrispoll.com/pizza-theres-no-question-that-americans-eat-it-love-it-and-are-even-comforted-by-it-in-a-recent-harris-poll-americans-weigh-in-on-what-they-like-dont-like-and-where-to-find-th/

Round 2

DynamicSquid

12.20.2019 03:57AM

Pro

Hello and thanks for responding. Let's get right into it!

Clash

Pineapple on pizza is absolutely disgusting

Discounted. This statement is highly opinion based, with no factual evidence. We could just go back and fourth on this, but instead, let's move on.

Waste of resources

How so? I suppose enough Hawaiian pizzas are made each year for consumers to consume them, just like any other pizza; unless you have a study showing otherwise.

Unhealthy controversy for pizza in general

Check this list. Who's number one?

Argument

Hmm... I have some space left, so I would like to just throw this out.

Pineapple is a fruit
Tomato is a fruit
Tomato goes on pizza
Pineapple is okay for pizza

Thank you.

WaterPhoenix

12.21.2019 10:12PM

Con

Refutes:

This statement is highly opinion based, with no factual evidence.

Did you even read what I wrote right after that?

unless you have a study showing otherwise.

As a matter of fact, I do. It's in the sources of my first argument.

Check this list. Who's number one?

Uhm, this list just proves the point I made about pineapple pizza being controversial...

Tomato goes on pizza

Tomato doesn't go on pizza it goes in pizza.

Thanks.

Round 3

DynamicSquid

12.21.2019 11:48PM

Pro

Hello and let's jump into this! Starting off with some clash...

Clash

Did you even read what I wrote right after that?

I did. Notice how "3rd most disliked pizza topping" is also an opinion in a way. Just people the majority of people don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. There are plenty of example of this, and since this does not prove pineapple on pizza is wrong, then this falls short of your BoP.

As a matter of fact, I do. It's in the sources of my first argument.

Not what I meant. I was clearly referring to a study showing how pineapple pizza wastes resources.

Pineapple pizza being controversial

The site claims to use the word "influential" in a good way. It even claims pineapple pizza as having "one of pizza’s most divisive flavors."

Tomato doesn't go on pizza it goes in pizza.

No it doesn't. If you're referring to pizza as the dough, then we put tomatoes on the dough. If you're referring to pizza as the entire thing, well, that doesn't change anything. So if we can put tomatoes on pizza, we can put pineapple on pizza. No need for technicality.

Thank you.

WaterPhoenix

12.23.2019 11:34PM

Con

Refutes:

I did. Notice how "3rd most disliked pizza topping" is also an opinion in a way. Just people the majority of people don't like it, doesn't make it wrong. There are plenty of example of this, and since this does not prove pineapple on pizza is wrong, then this falls short of your BoP.

No, if the majority of people don't like something then it's not very useful to society, making it wrong.

Not what I meant. I was clearly referring to a study showing how pineapple pizza wastes resources.

Again, if the majority of people don't like it then it's a waste of resources.

The site claims to use the word "influential" in a good way. It even claims pineapple pizza as having "one of pizza’s most divisive flavors."

Oxford Dictionary: di·vi·sive

/dəˈvīsiv/

adjective

tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

Disagreement isn't a good thing.

No need for technicality.

I am referring to pizza topping (just as you were clearly referring to toppings). Tomato is not a pizza topping.

Vader

12.24.2019 09:17PM

#28

had to drop a vote

DynamicSquid

12.24.2019 01:38AM

#27

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@bmdrocks21

lol!

bmdrocks21

12.24.2019 01:37AM

#26

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@DynamicSquid

In the wise words of Greta Thunberg: "How dare you!"

Trent0405

12.24.2019 12:26AM

#25

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@WaterPhoenix

LoL.

WaterPhoenix

12.24.2019 12:18AM

#24

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@Trent0405

"there is at least one thing wrong with pineapple pizza."
EVERYTHING

DynamicSquid

12.23.2019 11:37PM

#23

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@bmdrocks21

Eh, green peppers and mushrooms aren't for me

WaterPhoenix

12.23.2019 11:34PM

#22

Vote con!

bmdrocks21

12.21.2019 09:43PM

#21

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@DynamicSquid

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiZjbPe2sfmAhUuAZ0JHeNVCKgQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fpointnshoot%2F5715181594&psig=AOvVaw1KzbvWtSlDZAgpj1G-_w-M&ust=1577050936224884

This is my type of pizza

bmdrocks21

12.21.2019 09:36PM

#20

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@DynamicSquid

Well, the Hawaiian pizza isn't that bad if you take the pineapple off. I usually picked it off when my family got it.

Ham and bacon are nice >:D

DynamicSquid

12.21.2019 09:01PM

#19

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@bmdrocks21

Of course I put pineapple on my pasta!

Kidding, I don't.

But would you rather eat this:

https://i.redd.it/jrt92igp8vf01.jpg

https://i.cbc.ca/1.3993184.1501161170!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/84904861.jpg

bmdrocks21

12.20.2019 03:39AM

#18

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@WaterPhoenix

Absolutely. Check out some previous comments to squid. Had a good discussion with him earlier.

WaterPhoenix

12.20.2019 03:16AM

#17

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@bmdrocks21

Do I have your permission to use that as one of my main points?

bmdrocks21

12.20.2019 02:59AM

#16

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@WaterPhoenix

It is garb garb. End of story.

WaterPhoenix

12.20.2019 12:06AM

#15

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@bmdrocks21

Ok, give me your expert opinion then.

bmdrocks21

12.19.2019 11:02PM

#14

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@WaterPhoenix

I am an expert. You can interview me for my professional opinion.

WaterPhoenix

12.19.2019 08:27PM

#13

god im screwed. I can't find any real reliable points :(

bmdrocks21

12.19.2019 04:31AM

#12

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@DynamicSquid

I don't care if it is rainbow-colored, keep it off the pizza!

Do you put pineapple in your pasta as well???

DynamicSquid

12.19.2019 04:11AM

#11

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@bmdrocks21

Eat pineapple on the side? No!

Pineapple proves a contrast to the pizza sauce's taste!

And not only in flavor, but colour too!

bmdrocks21

12.19.2019 03:18AM

#10

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@DynamicSquid

But it isn't when you cook it! Eat it on the side if you want, but for goodness sake, keep it off the pizza!

DynamicSquid

12.19.2019 03:10AM

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@bmdrocks21

No no no! You're doing it all wrong. The pineapple is supposed to be fresh!

bmdrocks21

12.19.2019 03:05AM

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@DynamicSquid

The pineapple is supposed to be juicy and sweet. When you cook it on a pizza, it gets dried out and the pizza becomes unsavory.

DynamicSquid

12.19.2019 03:00AM

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@bmdrocks21

Bro... wut?

Dude, pineapple is like a cooling refresh taste on the soft and savory pizza. Taste contrast. It's good.

SirAnonymous

12.18.2019 07:21PM

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@bmdrocks21

That is beyond any possible doubt.

bmdrocks21

12.18.2019 06:45PM

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@SirAnonymous

It is scientifically proven that they also like the sound of nails on chalk board, they have higher chances of developing schizophrenia, and they are big fans of smooth jazz.

Truly sickening people. They should all receive 30-40 lashings per pizza defaced.

SirAnonymous

12.18.2019 05:36PM

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@bmdrocks21

The experts have spoken. Pineapple pizza is a travesty. Sadly, there is no debating with its demented devotees. There is no hope for such people. They probably like unfrosted Poptarts, Christmas Shoes, and chewing nails.

bmdrocks21

12.16.2019 05:00AM

Lmao, made my night.

Pineapple on pizza is one of the most grave forms of blasphemy. I used to work at Pizza Hut, so I have much experience in this field.

WaterPhoenix

12.16.2019 04:45AM

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@DynamicSquid

Oh, it's on.

Zaradi

12.16.2019 04:06AM

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@DynamicSquid

You're debating if its okay to put pineapple on pizza. Why are you even bothering with a BoP?

Its objectively not, just so we're clear.

Vader

12.24.2019 08:16PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

As a Chicagoan, I am very passionate on Hot Dogs and Pizza

Pro source outweighs CON because it is a direct refute to the point, while CON's is talking about influence, which does not mean anything due to the fact that the source is invalid it is called divisive, therefore that source is turned and CON gets point.

CON does not deep enough into his source and instead really just says, look at it. CON's point that Tomato is in the Pizza outweighs since a contrasting flavor overall in Pizza can be acceptable, as it used in Pizza. I feel as if the BoP by CON is never contested enough by PRO in the case and does not go after the points enough. I think the Pineapple as a waste of sources is a weak argument overall, so I don't evaluate any sides. I think the BoP is better defended by CON, so I will give args to CON

Barney

12.24.2019 08:03PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Honestly the debate did not get deep enough for me to clearly say if there is something wrong or not.

The most standout argument I would say is that pineapple pizzas just go into the garbage. It so wanted to be a great argument, but made no sense. It's about like saying some people prefer steak, so salads should not be an option.

The defense of tomato is an interesting point. I've personally had sliced tomato as a topping many times, but both debaters seemed to believe that tomato only goes on pizza in sauce form... A problem here is that just because it's accepted, would not mean there's nothing wrong with it; especially since con did not make the argument that pineapple is wrong for being a fruit; and it's an apples to oranges comparison anyway.

So the one point of the debate I will say has a clear lead is the sources. Con flipped pro's source to be in his favor. Perhaps were the debate to have gone on another round, pro might have shown that such matters only make pizza more popular as a whole, but as is, pro's own source was used to imply there might be something wrong with pineapple on pizza. Had the debate gone another round and such a point was not raised, I would likely be giving arguments to con (I give less weight to things in the final round after no one can respond).

Trent0405

12.24.2019 12:09AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

I don't buy Con's argument that pineapple on pizza is a waste of resources, Pro notes that Con would have to prove that too much pineapple pizza is being produced in relation to what's being consumed, he never does this.

The BoP for pro is to prove there is nothing wrong with pineapple on pizza. Con proved to me that pineapple on pizza caused unnecessary controversy for being so divisive. Funnily enough, it turns out that Pro's source intended to rebut this merely supported Con's statement. Pro's source also just says pineapple pizza is influential, this doesn't address the statement that pineapple on pizza is controversial as Con points out. So Con demonstrated that, despite how influential pineapple on pizza is, it's divisive and causes unhealthy controversy. Therefore I'm lead to believe that there is at least one thing wrong with pineapple pizza.