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Your profile says you live in Antarctica and you have an alien profile pic. With the alien in Antarctica being pushed by mainstream media this is very weird .
The new York post wrote this.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/discovery-in-antarctica-changes-everything-we-know-about-aliens/
similar Antarctica aliens article
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/618769/Antarctic-UFO-mystery-deepens-after-researchers-find-tanks-guarding-alien-crash-site
Why are so any mainstream outlets saying there could be aliens in Antarctica. What is going on.
In ancient books like the book of Enoch that are not cannon.
It says god chained a bunch of demons in a frozen desert. and they would be released in the last day.
https://youtu.be/Bez4DKZI7yU
On Election Day, the Secretary of State was headed out of town
Did a hypnotist who treated Adolf Hitler for shell shock in 1918 by using his 'desire to be like a God' help spark the Second World War?
Why are so any mainstream outlets saying there could be aliens in Antarctica[?] What is going on[?]
- PRO failed to read the NY Post article submitted. The article only states that new micro-organisms discovered in harsh environments expand biologists' assumptions about the extremes in which life is yet possible. No alien life of any kind is asserted.
- PRO failed to read the Daily Express article submitted. The article debunks a 2015 claim that Google Earth images captured a newly discovered spaceship crash site in Antarctica guarded by tanks. The Express reports that the Google Earth image is a 2011 picture near Williams Field, the air strip for McMurdo Research Station, covered in winter snow. The "tanks" are Caterpillar tractors used for grooming the runway.
"the book of Enoch...says god chained a bunch of demons in a frozen desert. and they would be released in the last day."
- CON's best interpretation is that PRO refers to two parts of Chapter X:
"4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light."
"11. And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness." [9]
- Nothing about these passages specify Antartica, or frozen deserts. If PRO is referring to some other passage in Enoch where demons are imprisoned, CON requires specific citation.
- Dûdâêl is given as the specific location. Dûdâêl is "implied to be the prison of all the fallen angels, especially the evil Watchers, the entrance of which is located to the east of Jerusalem. The way this place is described, Dudael is sometimes considered as a region of the underworld, comparable to Tartarus or Gehenna. [10]
- By any reckoning, Antarctica is not east of Jerusalem.
- PRO's YouTube video source calls the idea of Antarctica as Enoch's demonic prison, "conjecture, something to think about."
"Many celebrity's spent the 2016 elections the day president trump won in Antarctica."
- CON finds no evidence that any particularly famous person except for John Kerry visited Antarctica in Novemeber 2016. PRO has shown no evidence of "many celebrities."
"I believe the demon [Kerry] just casted an illusion of a lizard to trick the person into thinking he was an alien. So he would say Hillary Clinton is a lizard person and discredit himself. So no one catches on that most of our politicians are possessed by demons."
- Belief is not proof. PRO has failed to find any evidence.
"If they are aliens. They would be able to leave. But these being can not leave Antarctica. They are trapped in Antarctica. Because these entity are trapped. If they were aliens they would not be trapped. These demons have been sealed there by god."
- PRO disproves PRO's theory that John Kerry is a demon. Since PRO insists that demons are sealed under Antarctica until the end of the world.
- John Kerry could not have served as a Captain in the Vietnam war, earning many distinguished honors including 3 Purple Hearts while sealed beneath Antarctica.
- Likewise, John Kerry could not have served as US Senator, presidential candidate, and Secretary of State while sealed beneath Antarctica.
"Hitler went to Antarctica looking for ancient relics with magic powers."
- Hitler never went to Antarctica. The first German expedition to Antarctica was in 1938-39, after Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia. Hitler's whereabouts are well documented from 1938 until his death in 1945.
"Hitler Got his idea's about ruling Germany is because he went to a hypnotist...demons give hypnotist powers."
- Wikipedia advises:
- "There are no documents to prove that Forster and Hitler, who were still completely unknown at the time, really met each other in Pasewalk. In 1933 - after the National Socialist government - Forster was accused of favoring Jewish doctors. On August 31, 1933 he was suspended for alleged statements against National Socialism from the service and committed suicide a few days later." [11]
- So, whether or not the Edmund Forster (the hypnotist)'s story was true, his politics were entirely out of line with Hitler's.
- PRO offers no evidence that hypnotism can instill autocratic sentiments into people.
- PRO offers no evidence that demons have magic powers or that one of those powers is to give humans the power of hypnotism.
- If demons were sealed in Antarctica before the rise of mankind, as PRO asserts, they would not be able to visit German hypnotists in the 20th century.
- PRO disproves PRO's theory that Adolph Hitler is a demon. Since PRO insists that demons are sealed under Antarctica until the end of the world.
- Adolph Hitler could not have served as a Corporal in WWI, earning several distinguished honors including the Iron Cross while sealed beneath Antarctica.
- Likewise, Adolph Hitler could not have served as German Chancellor, Furher, and perpetrator of the Holocaust while sealed beneath Antarctica.
CON denies PRO's premise as false. Neither of the sources PRO submits as evidence say that there could be aliens in Anatartica.
- CON's best interpretation is that PRO refers to two parts of Chapter X:
Antarctica during the Southern Hemisphere summer season when there is 24 hour sunlight.
Dûdâêl is given as the specific location. Dûdâêl is "implied to be the prison of all the fallen angels, especially the evil Watchers, the entrance of which is located to the east of Jerusalem. The way this place is described, Dudael is sometimes considered as a region of the underworld, comparable to Tartarus or Gehenna. [10]
- By any reckoning, Antarctica is not east of Jerusalem
Whatever was done to Hitler under Dr. Forster's care will never be 100% certain due to the fact that in 1933 the Gestapo seized all psychiatric records related to Hitler's treatment and destroyed them. Forster 'committed suicide' the same year - the official cause was listed as suicide anyway.
.After John Kerry went to Antarctica on election day. He goes to new Zealand and there was an earthquake. Perhaps Gods judgement at work. A religious leader went to Antarctica
It is believe the ark of Gabriel was taken from Antarctica. Killing 2000 people. The Russian main stream media presented this ark of Gabriel information as fact.The mainstream media in Russia said it was a fact that Russia had a special mission and they took something called the ark of Gabriel.
Earlier this week, the New York Times'Amy Chozickreported on Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton's belief that alien life may be out there
5. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths of the angels.6. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above. And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, three towards the east, and three towards the south.7. And as for those towards the east, one was of coloured stone, and one of pearl, and one of jacinth, and those towards the south of red stone.8. But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the throne was of sapphire. [1]
- We should note that the Book of the Watchers (including Chapter 18) is estimated to have been written about 300-200 BCE. [2]
- However, we have no evidence that humans ever visited Antarctica before the 19th century. [3]
- Why wouldn't Enoch simply describe an icy land where the sun does not set? Does "burning day and night" really seem like an apt metaphor for the midnight sun effect?
- A likelier interpretation seems to a description of the underworld through which Enoch must pass to visit Sheol. In many mythologies, a burning underworld indicates old-world references of to magma.
- For example, we now know that pearls are formed by biological processes, not geological. No entirely pearl geological formation could possibly form under any circumstances.
- If there really was any good evidence that an entire throne of sapphire topped one of the mountains of Antarctica, many expeditions and resources would be dispatched to claim the object. PRO is not aware of any such efforts.
- CON's own evidence showing that Kerry visited Antarctica in 2016 proves that Kerry is not trapped there and indeed, doesn't even live there.
- CON argues that Kerry "probably" believes he met with aliens.
- PRO and CON have agreed there are no aliens in Antarctica
- CON's link offers no evidence supporting CON's claim.
- PRO finds no evidence that Kerry has ever met with aliens.
- CON's argument is that
- CON offers no evidence that demons give hypnotist powers. In truth, hypnotism is a 19th century concept and CON's testimony is that demons have been trapped in Antarctica since the beginning of humankind, preventing demons from inventing, promulgating the notion of hypnotism to 19th century psychologists.
- CON argues that because Hitler and his hypnotist died by suicide and no evidence or documentation of their interaction remains, Hitler is probably a demon.
- PRO call that a significant non-sequitur. Lack of evidence is not necessarily proof of demons.
- Since aliens are not contended by PRO or CON, this information should be disregarded as irrelevant.
- Since aliens are not contended by PRO or CON, this information should be disregarded as irrelevant.
- We should note that the Book of the Watchers (including Chapter 18) is estimated to have been written about 300-200 BCE. [2]
- However, we have no evidence that humans ever visited Antarctica before the 19th century. [3]
ON argues that "a place that burns day and night " must indicate the unsetting sun of antarctic summer.
- Why wouldn't Enoch simply describe an icy land where the sun does not set? Does "burning day and night" really seem like an apt metaphor for the midnight sun effect?
- A likelier interpretation seems to a description of the underworld through which Enoch must pass to visit Sheol. In many mythologies, a burning underworld indicates old-world references of to magma
ave discovered something very interesting in the Book of Enoch. In the 18th chapter, he is describing a journey with the angels, where they are flying in an angelic "spaceship" southwards on the earth, and coming to a place where there are pillars of heavenly fire.
To me, this sounds like they were flying over Africa (from the Middle East), and coming to the South Pole, and watching the Southern Lights.
Enoch describes how he is passing several mountains, which quite well fits in with the mountains in east and south Africa 1. He passes over where the "waters collect", which obviously is where the oceans gather south of Africa 2. Then when they come to the place further south, he sees a deep rift, or abyss 3, which would suggest that Antarctica at that time was free from ice. And we know that there are ancient maps that seem to depict Antarctica as an ice-free landmass 4.
Now, over this abyss, where the heavenly fire goes up and down like immense pillars, there are seven stars 5. This is of course not stars here on earth, but stars hovering over the South Pole horizon. A well known formation of seven stars is the Pleiades. Were the stars Enoch saw the Pleiades? Several things seems to confirm this. Firstly, the angels tells him that certain fallen angels were to be bound to those stars, because of their mingling with women on earth
So, with my last hope, and with a great feeling of exitement, I put the date to 3000 BC, and started to rotate the scene. And there they were! The Pleiades could be seen at that time, just above the horizon, at the South Pole! Wow! and Hallelujah!
Or was this journey real, and written down by someone who really lived five thousand years ago? And who obviously must have known, or seen, Africa and the Southern Ocean from above, and then the South Pole, with its pillars of light? How could anyone just guess all that, or put it together in a story, when all of it is perfectly accurate - geographically, astronomically, and an exactly the right timeframe?
this is a stunning evidence that the Book of Enoch really is written before the Great Flood, and that he really did travel with the angels of God in some sort of a flying vehicle, around the world.
The same passages indicate mountains of precious gems, which modern geology refutes.
- For example, we now know that pearls are formed by biological processes, not geological. No entirely pearl geological formation could possibly form under any circumstances.
- If there really was any good evidence that an entire throne of sapphire topped one of the mountains of Antarctica, many expeditions and resources would be dispatched to claim the object. PRO is not aware of any such efforts.
CON argues that Kerry "probably" believes he met with aliens.
call that a significant non-sequitur. Lack of evidence is not necessarily proof of demons.
new WikiLeaks release of stolen emails belonging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta reveal an invitation by his brother to a “Spirit Cooking dinner” at the home of artist Marina Abramovic
Hillary Clinton used to attend a "witch's church" in Los Angeles during Bill's presidency.
JIM STONE speculates whether Epstein's plane that was identified by flight tracker was modified to make the trip to Antarctica
"The book [of Enoch] is non cannon.it is suppose to take place before the flood so there would be no evidence."
- Mirriam Webster defines teleportation as a fictional process:
in fiction : instantaneous travel between two locations without crossing the intervening space. [1]
- CON argues that astronomers have confirmed that Enoch had sufficient "space knowledge" to identify the location as Antarctica.
- CON's source contradicts CON's teleportation claim and instead claims that Enoch flew to Antarctica (by means undescribed).
- CON characterizes the "bibeltemplet.net" website as "astronomers" but no scientific credentials (or even specifics of authorship) are offered by the site.
- PRO asks VOTERS to disregard the entire Book of Enoch discussion, since no specific passage or quote supporting CON's claim was ever offered.
- This refutes CON's original thesis:
"Many conspiracy theorist believe that our politicians are lizard People. The real answer is not aliens but demons."
- CON argues that an (undocumented) earthquake upon Kerry's return home (location unspecified) serves as proof that Kerry met with demons in Antarctica.
- P1: Kerry visited Antarctica.
- P2: An earthquake took place on Kerry's return.
- C1: Therefore Kerry met with demons.
- Even if CON provided details regarding the earthquake (he does not), it does not follow that earthquakes are solid evidence of demonic visitation.
- Earthquakes are commonplace. Many, many people have experienced earthquakes. PRO asserts as obvious that a very, very small percentage of people who have experienced earthquakes also report meetings with demons. (PRO admits that no statistics exist on this point).
- Billions of people have experienced earthquakes but fewer than 1 million people have ever visited Antartica (where the claimed demons are supposedly trapped until the end of time). Even if everybody who ever visited Antarctica secretly met with demons, there would still be less than an 1:1000 correlation between earthquakes and demon meetings (assuming, of course, that demons were real).
- PRO asks VOTERS to note that CON disregarded multiple attempts to clarify this point in R1 and R2 and has only stated the argument with any clarity in the final round of the debate supported by a single, flimsy non-sequitur.
- PRO asks VOTERS to disregard CON's argument as mere unsubstantiated speculation.
- VOTERS should note that PRO offered no evidence that Hitler visited Antarctica. In fact, there was a popular conspiracy theory in the 1950's speculating that Hitler was hiding out in Antarctica but this was debunked by Russian documentation regarding the discovery and disposal of Hitler's corpse, details which were made public after Perestroika. [2]
- CON's reasserts that:
- Since PRO did not address CON's R2 rebuttals of this argument, CON extends R2: a lack of evidence is not proof of demons.
- CON does not suggest that Hillary Clinton has been to Antarctica, which was the primary evidence for demonic connection in the first two cases.
- PRO finds no biographical evidence that Hillary Clinton has ever visited Antartica.
- Instead, PRO submits this email as evidence of Clinton's demonism or demonic attachment:
Date: June 28, 2015 at 2:35:08 AM GMT+2To: Tony Podesta <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>Subject: DinnerDear Tony,I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining?All my love, Marina [3]
- Marina Abramovic is an award winning performance artist. She occasionally invites a group of friends and patrons to her apartment where they make a meal together in a sort of New Age pretentious touchy-feely kind of way. Essentially, these are parties where artists hit up rich people for money and rich people get to meet interesting people.
- Tony Podesta is a long-time liberal lobbyist & DC insider.
- John Podesta, the brother mentioned by Marina, is a long-time Democratic party fixture who served as Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff and Hillary Clinton's 2016 Campaign Chairman.
- Neither brother attended the July 9 art party.
- This email was hacked from John Podesta's personal (non-official) email gmail account and published on Wikileaks on Oct 7, 2016 as a counter-response to the release of the Access Hollywood tape where President Donald Trump boasts about raping women. [4]
On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded the Russian government was behind the hack and gave WikiLeaks hacked emails from John Podesta
- So while the email does strongly suggest collusion between the current president and Russian spies, it does not follow that an art party that was not attended by the brother of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman should serve as evidence of demons keeping company with Clinton.
- DeMolay International is "an international fraternal organization for young men ages 12 to 21." [5]
- Basically DeMolay is just a youth group attached to some local Masonic body.
- PRO seems to be taking for granted that Masons are Satanic, which implicates huge portions of the American leadership. If Bill Clinton is satanic for joining a junior Masons organization, then Ben Franklin, George Washington, Paul Revere indeed many famous US Presidents and patriots are all satanists for membership in the senior version of the same organization. PRO may well suggest that Benjamin Franklin worshiped Satan but CON argues for some actual evidence in the name of historical accuracy and patriotic pride.
- I guess the Press Corp just waited in Air Force One at LAX every month, never wondering where the First Lady was?
- OBJECTION: PRO's source only source for this claim may not be used as credible evidence in any circumstance.
- mediabiasfactcheck.com advises:
Overall, InfoWars/Alex Jones is a crackpot, tin foil hat level conspiracy website that also strongly promotes pseudoscience. The amount of fake news and debunked conspiracy claims, as well as extreme right wing bias, renders InfoWars a non-credible source on any level. [6]
- In fact, Alex Jones' own lawyer has argued in court that Infowars is art and should not be mistaken for information or fact:
"Judging Jones by his Infowars performances would be like judging Jack Nicholson by his depiction of the Joker on “Batman" [7]
Right. Don't you know that the U.S. government discovered an Ancient chair that fires space torpedoes out of Antarctica?
shout out to anyone who gets the reference.
I tried to nail it down a couple of times but never really did. I started out working against CON's claim: ""Many conspiracy theorist believe that our politicians are lizard People. The real answer is not aliens but demons." It is not until R3 that CON makes it clear that he claims that Kerry consorts with demons, but is not himself a demon. The title is about aliens but CON had no actual claims regarding aliens. Mostly it just feels like PRO wanted to keep tossing out new outrageous and unsupportable claims and only lightly engaged or countered any rebuttal.
Before I try to read this, would one (or both) of you clarify the resolution? Like is pro arguing they exist and con that they don't, or is pro arguing morally in favor of said demons and con arguing morally against them...
this debate!
You both keep referring to con as pro and vice versa...