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Prescripton medication is poison
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Nemiroff
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Your profile said you do medicine for a living.
Round 1
Pro
#1
Thanks for taking this.
evil definitions
the word pharmakeai means
poisoning
sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
the word pharmakon means
from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation
pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai.
in
the collinsdictionary.com under the word pharmaceutical. in the origins
of section. it talks about how the word comes from pharmakon
or if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
you get
Origin of pharmaceutical
Late
Latin pharmaceuticus from Classical Greek pharmakeutikos from
pharmakeuein, to practice witchcraft, use medicine from pharmakon, a
poison, medicine
pharmakeai used to be in the bible
King James Version
And
the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the
voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all
in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by
thy pharmakeai were all nations deceived.
pharmaceutical industry is a drug cartel
1.pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death . this is because pharmaceuticals it is meant to harm you
.2
over
100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription
medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm
you.
.3
big
pharma gives millions of dollars to politicians because they know that
there drugs are dangerous and they have to bribe people to make there
drugs legal. There drugs are dangerous because there are meant to harm
you.
4
.big
pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic
destroyed the lives of soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but
believe legal drugs are safer. This happened because drugs are meant to
harm you.
5
.We
kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. They do not even call
them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers.
6
.We
play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because
pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. While they claim to be helping
us they treat them like experiment animals.
7
And prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. This is because prescription drugs are meant to harm you
8
Prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. This is because it is meant to hurt you
9
We put aborted babies in our vaccines. we do this because vaccines are meant to harm you.
but
we are flooded by fake news like this one done by ABC. were they say
the aborted babies are not harmful and even the future catholic pope
approves of it. disgusting abc even claims it does not interfere with
the disgusting catholic bible.
10
And can we safely ignore those people who claim to perform magical rituals in abortion clinics
11
.The world health association symbol is a snake on a stick
this is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.It is actually the snake gods staff Acilipuis
12
One
of the evidence for the fema cam conspiracy theory is one of the
medical code in Obama care sanctions death by guillotines. This is
because it is meant to harm you.
13
Prescription
medication usually has a long list of side effects for example Prozac
causes yellow eyes and skin and thought of suicide and 120 plus other
things. These side effect that have nothing to do with what the drug is
treating. and have no way of coming naturally unless they were designed
to do such
14
Some
mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription
drugs and suffered from the side effect suicide thought or actions.
over 1500 hundred cases
15
They
put prescription drugs in our tap water. These pharmaceuticals have
absurd side effects. They put prescription drugs in our water to hurt
us. The reason you need a prescription to get these drugs is because the
drugs are dangerous. so why is it in our tap water. available to
everyone. Unless it is meant to harm.
here is just one of them look at the side effects
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol
side effects of atenolol.
Blurred vision
cold hands or feet
confusion
difficult or labored breathing
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
shortness of breath
sweating
tightness in chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
wheezing
Anxiety
chest pain or discomfort
chills
cold sweats
cough
dizziness or lightheadedness
fainting
fast heartbeat
leg pain
noisy breathing
slow or irregular heartbeat
sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
Bloody urine
decreased frequency or amount of urine
increased blood pressure
increased thirst
loss of appetite
lower back or side pain
nausea
swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
vomiting
weight gain
Black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blood in urine or stools
blurred or loss of vision
bone or joint pain
disturbed color perception
double vision
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
halos around lights
night blindness
overbright appearance of lights
paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
severe mood or mental changes
skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
swollen or painful glands
tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
tunnel vision
unusual behavior
unusual bleeding or bruising
Anxiety
coma
cool, pale skin
depression
dilated neck veins
extreme fatigue
headache
increased hunger
irregular breathing
nervousness
nightmares
seizures
shakiness
slurred speech
unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the water
lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.
our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.
what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water
Con
#2
Rebuttals:
My opponent claims the achaic definition of the etymological origins of pharmaceuticals has anything to do with modern practice. That is not a valid argument.
My opponent claims the profit driven shortcomings of the pharmaceutical industry (a major problem) has anything to do with the efficacy of the drugs they produce. Non sequitur.
My opponent claims pharamceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death in the usa, when in fact the 4th leading cause of death is chronic lower resperiatory disease. Pharmaceuticals are not in the top 10.
My opponent claims the existence of side effects negates the benefitial primary effects of the medications, like atenolol's ability to slow the heart and reduce blood pressure.
Several claims of magic, sorcery, and babies inside of vaccines are unsubstantiated and too ludicrously to respond to.
Counterargument
My opponent misunderstands how medications work. Management medications like atenolol and other antihypertensives, anticholesterol, antidiabetes are not recommended treatments until non pharamcological methods have failed. Diet and exercize are the prefered recommendation of the vast majority of medical experts. Other medications, like antibiotics and vaccines are short term solutions for illnesses that have plagued humanity for our entire existence. These medications are not candy. If you are healthy, they will hurt you. That is why you need a perscription to buy them. But if you require them, they can save your life. Doing damage to your liver is bad, but dying from a preventable heartattack is much worse.
If you believe in god, then the illness was all part of his plan, so was your access to modern medicine. It is up to your free will to accept it or not.
Other things that are poison in excessive quantities: oxygen, water, certain vitamins, any electrolyte, red blood cells (polycythenia vera), sugar.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Con drops most of my arguments which have been collected over the years.Con claims that the word pharmakeai does not apply today even though we derive the word pharmacy from it. We also use a snake and stick as our medical symbol. World health organization uses the snakes gods staff. even Hermes staff is used which is a snake to. Con brings up a top leading causes of death. The list did not mention a ton of things it forgot suicide which is the 10 cause of death in America 3rd in teens according to a suicide help line. it missed tobacco which has 480 thousand which is bigger then at least 3 things in your top ten leading causes of death. More importantly it missed how many people die from pharmaceuticals.
It seems everyone has there one list. it amazes me how many contradictions are on the internet why were these not on the list
Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death for 15 to 24 year old Americans. Suicide is the 4th leading cause of death for adults ages 18-65. The highest increase in suicide is in males 50+ (30 per 100,000). Suicide rates for females are highest among those aged 45-54 (9 per 100,000).
Suicide is a Leading Cause of Death in the United States. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, in 2017: Suicide was the tenth leading cause of death overall in the United States, claiming the lives of over 47,000 people
demoncide is the number one cause of death in the world
why were not drugs like tobacco on the list
tobacco kills 480 thousand in the USA. that is more then at least 4 of the top ten together. and would come in at number 3 on your list
Pain killers kill more then heroine and crack combined pain killers kill around 16000 a year heroin 8000 and crack a little less then heroine
Everyone seems to have there own list. anyway con seems to not understand my argument on anterol. I was mad that they put it in the water. prescription drugs are dangerous.you need a prescription to get the for a reason.They should not be given to everyone through water. He then talks about a bunch of false stuff about the drug. he says they are not candy. So why is it given out like candy. My mom is on antenol. What if a six year old drinks water and gets the the antenol.because they added it to the water. What if the kid starts seeing thing because they added this drug to the water.
Other things that are poison in excessive quantities: oxygen, water, certain vitamins, any electrolyte, red blood cells (polycythenia vera), sugar.
The difference is prescription drugs are actively being used as poison.
If you believe in god, then the illness was all part of his plan, so was your access to modern medicine. It is up to your free will to accept it or not.
God made herbs thank you very much. your drugs are just bootlegged version of it. Since you make 70 percent of your drugs off plants. Your medicine is just bootlegged versions of what god created. But what God created does not have insane side effects like yellow eyes and skin. If it makes you feel better ancient people had 70 percent of your so called wonderful modern medicine. since Indians and ancient china used herbs as medicine. 70 percent of modern medicine comes from plants. so they had 70 percent of modern medicine except no side effects. They did not suffer from side effects like yellow skin and eyes. thoughts of suicide.Modern medicine is just the bootleg version of what god created.
Con
#4
In declaring medications as poison, my interlocutor is neglecting the benefitial effects of these medications. He previously cited atenolol, and listed many negative side effects.
Some people are allergic to peanut butter, others are intolerant of lactose. These are not drugs. Yet they create many of the same side effects in some select people. Itching. Hives. Nausea, vomiting, headache, diarrhea, even broncodialtion and anaphylactic shock, which has a significant chance of death. With targeted chemicals, more specific reactions can happen to small groups of people. None of these negate the positive nutritional benefits of peanut butter and milk, nor those of medications.
Atenolol is a beta blocker. In people whose heart is racing, this can not only shoot up their blood pressure, it wears out the heart. The high blood pressure adds extra strain on the heart. And then their heart fails. Probably far sooner then the kidney (or liver) damage atenolol will do. Btw, everything damages the liver, so lets call living a poison at this point.
Atenolol belongs to a class of drugs known as beta blockers. It works by blocking the action of certain natural chemicals in your body, such as epinephrine, on the heart and bloodvessels. This effect lowers the heart rate, blood pressure, and strain on the heart.
If you do experience nasty side effects there are many other alternatives.
Round 3
Pro
#5
In declaring medications as poison, my interlocutor is neglecting the benefitial effects of these medications.
70 percent of new drugs made come from plants.So 70 percent of prescription drugs has a plant version that does the same thing and without side effects like yellow skin and eyes.So the so called health benefits of prescription drugs can be equaled by a simply flower.
Prozac health benefits Are matched by a flipping flower. The poster child for prescription drugs. A Flipping flower works just as good as an engineered drug
One of those lines is the Prozac group; the other, the saffron group. And, as you can see, it doesn't really matter which is which, because they both worked equally well. Of course, 20% percentage of Prozac users suffered from sexual dysfunction—an all too common side effect—whereas not one did in the saffron group
Saffron appears to be better than a placebo and just as effective as fluoxetine but may act quicker and without any side effects
So prescription drugs are useless compared to what God has given us.
Saffron flowers work Faster then Prozac
My mom is on antelol and i don't think it has helped her.
Plus i can easily just find a plant that does the same thing. I have flipping hawthorn berry's tree outside. The reason why hawthorn berry's interact with heart medication is because it does the same thing. Almost every plant helps with high blood pressure.and controls blood pressure so that can easily be ignored
Hawthorn berry's help with hear failure and when you are having an heart attack. Its the big thing that they do.
Heart failure. Heart failure is a condition whereby the heart is unable to pump enough blood to other organs in the body. Hawthorn has been extensively studied in people with heart failure, showing positive results
Some people are allergic to peanut butter, others are intolerant of lactose
Well None of these are derived from a word that means poison and have a snake as there symbol. Plus peanut allergy's are not as harmful as prescription drugs.LOL
Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies
100,000 deaths per year, making prescription drugs
If you do experience nasty side effects there are many other alternatives.
Yes God medicine that he put in plants. That does the same thing. But no yellow Skin and eyes or thoughts of suicide or changes in behavior
Conclusion
So prescription drugs health benefits are useless because gods medicine works better.
Veggies work better then drugs for kidneys
Ps prozac causes yellow skin and eyes. Along with another 120 + things
Con
#6
Re personal
As I said, atenolol has a very specific effect. It simply stops some nerve impulses to the heart. This slows and relaxes the heart, as well as some veins. It does not heal the veins, the heart, nor it does not remove gunk from the veins. It will not make your mother's condition better. It will keep your mothers condition from causing a stroke or heart failure, but it will not make anything she has go away. You not understanding what the medication does, does not mean it isn't doing anything.
Re Plants
Yes, most medications come from plants. There is a reason we dont just use the plants.
1. The plants are the same chemicals, as you admit, therefore they have the same effects, and side effects
2. Perserving plants long term is impossible, unless you carry around a freezer which may damage the specimen,
3. Taking, buying, storing, and carrying plants is alot less practical.
4. Plants may not have the chemical in the right concentration. Some too weak, others too strong. Others are mixed with other chemicals which we may not want.
So, no thank you to plants and frog glands. I'll stick to pills, especially with the same exact side effects.
Also what do you plan to do about injectable medications even if you do find it in the wild, like insulin?
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:
Another troll debate...
Pro spams his usual Gish Gallop, and con counters with explanations on benefits and pro having not proven his claims of evil magic baby poison and such. He adds a nice touch about how too much oxygen can kill you, challenging overdoses as a valid indicator, thereby winning the debate.
In summary (quoting con): "Several claims of magic, sorcery, and babies inside of vaccines are unsubstantiated and too ludicrously to respond to."
modern medicine has doubled life expectancy and the time we life healthy and strong
we did not die in our 20s and 30s in the 1800 because lack of medicine. We died in the 20s because we were shooting each other in the streets.
they had the same medicine except there was not a bootlegged version.
70 percent of the drugs created today come from plants. Indians and ancient china used plants as medicine. so they have 70 percent of modern medicine. except there did not cause yellow skin and eyes
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2635/reishi-mushrooms
Modern of medicine increased life expectancy from around 40 to 45 years to about 80 to 85 enough with this new age quackery!