Sorry for not responding as quick I had things to do in real life.
"Something that excels all others and is of the highest quality and desire"
Highest quality is dependent on the measurement you use since you didn't give one. I open to this interpretation and do please challenge on you not clearly laying what you meant with the highest quality.
Yes, but you're getting completely off-topic. I was trying to refute your definition of best which was, "Best doesn't always mean the most effective use of your time." Which actually is self-contradicting because in this line you say another definition of best (which was the definition I was refuting) but then you go on to agree with me, in your most recent argument, that best does mean the highest quality thereby entirely contradicting you're whole, "Best doesn't always mean the most effective use of your time." And, highest quality means just that, the thing with the highest quality given the situation. And quality is a degree of measurement so I don't know what you mean with "dependent on the measurement". You are simply clutching at straws here trying to point out non-existent flaws in my definition of highest quality instead of making worthwhile arguments or points.
At least with mine more important things like taking care of bills can be done before you would have to worry about what are you going to do after the things that made you happy don't make you happy.
First off, this is a huge grammar error voters. Secondly, what do you mean "mine"? And what are the things that are going to stop you from doing the bills? This is all just one big mess that I can barely understand.
Whether or not I have answer doesn't make my side better or worse than yours so you asked a question that is meaningless to the discussion.
It's not meaningless it's a refute to you saying that you can have something nice and have the nicest. And whether you have an answer does because this shows that you're going around this question and you don't have a counter-point.
What happens when you are too busy enjoying life to pay your bills? How does your view help with that situation?
"What happens when you are too busy enjoying life to pay your bills?" What????? What do you mean with this analogy, this has nothing to do with the topic, what are you talking about????????
I can start with the starters then the mains then my favorite part which is desserts. The positive of course with leaving desserts last is that I will actually finish healthy that can prolong my life
So now saving the best for last prolongs your lifespan? Because if you don't save the best for last and eat your dessert at someplace besides the end it won't make a difference in your lifespan. My point is that eating your non-favorite foods first makes you less hungry for your favorite food then enjoy it less. The reason people save the dessert for last is that as a kid, in an effort to make them eat their vegetables quicker, their parents gave them the idea of dessert to motivate them. But we're not 6-year-olds pouting about broccoli and Brussel sprouts anymore we're more mature than that and don't need some dessert to motivate us we have the fact the saving the best for last give you a bad mindset and not eating your veggies will give you nutrition deficiency to motivate us to eat our vegetables.
whereas you are too busy eating cake then moving onto to other things to enjoy instead of eating vegetables.
Nevermind that this insult is bad conduct, it makes literally zero grammatical sense and is terrible.
Do you not see this problem will arise with you earlier?
Grammar mistake and that's literally my point, people who save the best for last and have built up this mindset see the problems but want to save the best instead of using it!
That would mean people would have to face that disappointment quicker and if they don't fill that happiness in your have given their existence sadness for a much more longer time than I have.
Dude, seriously get Grammarly or something I honestly don't understand what you're saying here.
I can't engage with this hypothetical
No crapnnuggets you can't. It's a hypothetical analogy it's supposed to demonstrate something not stimulate or engage you.
Even if they do they simply do it for the brief time they have bought it. Then they simply get accustomed and not realize they have it.
Again, it's an analogy and grammar error. Also, some people do care about the aesthetics of their things forever.
Your starting with the best only lasts for the moment of buying the product and possibly using it at the start.
Not unless they save the best for later like in the analogy and grammar error.
The person following me can find enjoyment by striving to keep the mug in pristine condition while also learning about the mug instead of simply carrying on with their life not caring about the mug they bought.
Ok, yes let's just say they save it well, but why save it? Why not not save the best for last and seize the day and use the cup?
Not my fault your definition is subjective because you didn't decide what measurement you would use for the highest quality item. So since best is subjective the person who follows what I say can simply add in what they like and prepare for what they want while carrying on working.
I have already addressed this.
Also, grammar mistake here.
Why did you quote that?
Also didn't engage with the health problem I brought about with the best. There are very minuscule amount of people who like Brussel sprouts over chocolate. For you to use such a minority case example goes to show how little your lifestyle would help best serve humanity. I on the other hand like with other people that can follow can still healthy food while leaving chocolate for last.
This contradicts yourself when you said that the best is subjective. And how am I bad at serving humanity because I used a minority case example about Brussel sprouts and chocolate? And saving the chocolate for last will lead you to save other things for last which is my whole argument. Also, grammar mistake.
Grandfather's fault was the bad business plan. It wasn't leaving the best till last.
The bad business plan was saving the best for last go read what I wrote again.
You don't understand the meal context where leaving the best till last doesn't mean they leave the chocolate until the moment they die, it means right at the end of their meal.
No, you don't understand that such a simple thing like this leads to a very bad habit of saving the best for last, which again is my whole point.
The grandfather could've simply did what he wanted in a time frame that put the stress of more important things to rest like crops, bills and restocking before actually doing what he liked the most.
You're talking about alternate business plans when we're talking about how he failed because he saved the best for last.
I can choose the time frame
Correction, you could choose the time frame before saving the best for last made you always prolong using the best.
instead of using your extreme hypothetical like your idea is that we should do everything we hate but in the moment we are almost dead enjoy what we like the most.
I never said that.
You take the most insane position of mine while I don't do the same.
Bro, you literally just said how my hypothetical was, "We should do everything we hate but in the moment we are almost dead enjoy what we like the most."
This is unfair and uncharitable then you have the gall to question and exclamation mark me?
Yes, I have the gall to be stupified at the fact one of your arguments is, "Pace yourself better," and if it seemed I was angry or unruly I wasn't, I was showing that I was confused and am sorry you think that I have been unfair and uncharitable to you. I would say grammar error but I won't.
I have been cordial while you have given me extreme hypotheticals and ways you have you are annoyed. This isn't conducive to what we are discussing.
Extreme hypotheticals such as? And most of these are facts.
An anecdote? This neither bolsters your point or even attempts to. I think it is safe for me to assume that you ought want everyone to follow your system but giving your personal experience doesn't help that. In order to demonstrate to be good you would have to show the positive versus mine but this isn't how you do it.
No, it shows how incredulous your "pace yourself better argument is."
It would be a contradiction if my position was do the nicest things and wait for the nicest thing as well but it isn't. My position is that you can do nice things but it is best to leave the nicest things last.
Are we talking about doing nice things now? Because I thought we were talking about saving nice things.
Here my opponent WP is pretty much stating with enough time you can't learn a new skill.
I was saying that your statement of "you'll get used to run down decks and don't need to switch to a new one" is false.
If these things can be learnt so can Cardistry. WP denying this has shown a flaw in his argument even though this really doesn't matter to saving the best till last. So basically I am commenting on a non-sequitur showing WP's position on something other than the debate. I hope people understand that bad ideas can lead to other bad ideas.
I don't think you read my refute right because I said that people want to switch decks a lot not that you can't learn a new skill. That's complete nonsense.
the exclamation mark and question mark while also how well I was able to demonstrate my side to be better from WP's rebuttals.
Yes, and your conduct was oh so much better. But seriously trn/omar I really didn't mean to offend you and had an amazing time debating with you and hope you can prove me wrong!
dang that vote removal bump really saved me
wtf
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>Reported Vote: club// Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 4 points to con for arguments and grammar
>Reason for Decision: Arguments:
Pro conceded in the first round, saying the best for last was a bad business plan. Pro mostly manipulated the meaning so it fit around his arguments, making "the best" probably the least productive, and healthy things, like having fun and eating cake. The arguments he made were fairly weak as Con could've just manipulated it back. Con actually had solid arguments stating, that the best deteriorates if you use it last, and many other points about food.
TRN also was confused about time frames. If one is against "best for last" it doesn't mean they're for "best for first"
Sources:
Con didn't provide sources but, probably used them, whereas Pro used and posted sources. Because of lack of sources for con, I can't judge sources, therefore awarding a tie.
S&G
Both had pretty bad grammar, but TRN had significantly more occurrences.
Conduct
Good conduct for both of them.
Reason for Mod Action>The voter does not appear to sufficiently survey the main arguments or counter arguments of the debate and weigh them to make a decision. While the voter references some arguments - it is unclear why one set of arguments were not sufficient to over turn the other (only statements that they were).
For S&G, the voter only provide a general comparison of S&G: To award S/G points, the voter must (1) give specific examples of S/G errors, (2) explain how these errors were excessive, and (3) compare each debaters' S/G.
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i think it all depends on how slaty the best is
WHO ARE YOU? Someone's multi-account?
ggwp
Let's do this ! Whoo Hoo!
GL omar
Alright, let's do this.