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Binary code cannot account for the physical properties of our reality
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RationalMadman
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Round 1
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For those of you who don't know, RM believes that reality is a simulation based on binary code. I think (at least I hope) that most people can understand that without something to code on (hardware/physical substance) you cannot have a binary code to begin with. This is why the concept of physical reality being nothing more than an illusion based on code is illogical. It's like saying the software is running the hardware rather than the hardware running the software.
Just to clarify, this is not a question of whether it's a simulation within a real universe, he believes that reality itself is binary code. This essentially means that at the fundamental core of reality, all that exists is a conceptual system of information.Since a code is information and is by it's very nature conceptual rather than physical, it requires a conscious being to create it and perceive it, otherwise it's just a naturally occurring pattern and it's not "information" per se. RM believes in such a being, (a God) but he also believes this being is made of code itself. This is essentially equivalent to saying that not only a code but also consciousness can simply form in a vacuum, and generate it's own reality spontaneously. This is impossible because consciousness is only possible when a conglomeration of systems are already in place, for example a functioning human brain and nervous system must be in place for human sentience to exist. This means that physical reality must exist for consciousness to exist and consciousness must exist for codes and information to exist. RMs view of reality is the direct inverse of this.
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If you have 12 minutes to spare, do listen to this video, the white man at the beginning supports Type1's theory but wait for the black man to speak and listen all the way through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
^ This will make my case for me in an irrefutable manner to a level I cannot do without typing out a 12 minute speech.
This debate is not about whether or not we are actually in a coded simulation or not but rather if it can be.
I do not have the burden of proof in regards to asserting my theory as actual fact here but I do bear the burden to prove binary coding as a viable core language and means of generating reality itself.
To begin to comprehend what I am stating, one much understand 3 commonly misunderstood things:
- All code that makes sense is binary at its core. Three-valued logic is a joke because it includes a third digit for absolutely no reason. There exist chaotic languages of coding that people like Type1 and his British alter ego Quantumhead/Nomenclature believe in in CreateDebate which is based on waves and fields of energy but this concept of coding reality is fundamentally flawed and I'll explain it in this debate.
- Something being physical is a coded element of that thing, reality itself does not actually need to be physical at its core and in fact more likely is solely mental and conceptual in nature. Again, I'll prove this later in the Round, not here.
- The conflict between believers in free will and Fate lies in a misconception of how Determinism begins. It is random and yet completely determined once randomised. This is because of the unbreakable nature of binary code which I will get to later.
I am first going to introduce you to a fascinating way of viewing reality that can truly make you feel mentally unhinged at first. If you are currently under the influence of a hallucinatory substance I highly recommend to get off of it before reading so as to avoid full fledged fantasy flights that are not reversible.
Once you begin to see the version of reality that I see, you will comprehend things no other religion, philosophy, quantum physics theory or even non-genius study of reality could give you.
Everything around you, all of it, even you, are part of a system. This is nothing new, this is a philosophy in Buddhism, Hinduism and actually nearly all Asian philosophy that ever became mainstream be it Jainism, Taoism, Sikhism... Okay, not Islam but that's not the point. We are all part of a thing, a singular. There is one God (even Hinduism has one true god force named Brahman that is beyond Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in power and capacity to influence reality), one destiny, one reality. It doesn't matter if there are parallel universe and multiple simulations, they would indeed (as Type1 would point out happily) all end up being part of the overall reality. This is entirely singular and yet it is binary...
To understand why reality being coded in binary makes sense you need to first admit that at the core, reality is one thing. Not two, one. This is the fascinating contradiction that turns many people away from theories such as mine. They cannot comprehend how 1 = 2 but that is because they don't realise that the number 2 is '10' and that the concept of equalling itself is coded into reality and I am going to explain it now. The reason Illuminati has one eye... The reason all religions have one alpha true God above the Demigods... The reason for 1 is... 0. This is going to seem like nonsense but that is because you have been brainwashed from birth to believe in 10 digits and only think in decimal.
When you say you have 3 of something such as 'item x' you are saying you have 01+01+01 of x. 01+01 is actually 10, not '2'. The reason we invented a 10 digit system is because for whatever reason the human brain finds it easier to think in groups of 5*2. This is not important for this debate so I won't go into it. The number 2 is not actually anything but 10. and the more important thing to understand is that the parts of the coding that have you be physical are entirely at the core binary. The reason that at the core of all coding languages of computing it has to become binary at the microchip-level (which is where the entire logic of the system and means by which it becomes operational) is because there is no better way to code something. You cannot have a system of thinking, logic, organising or generating random numbers that doesn't involve binary in huge amounts. The other aspect to binary is called 'physical' under most people's interpretation of reality but what they don't understand is that reality is coded entirely under the theory I am proposing.
The issue is that if we break down any part of reality, such as your body and ask 'how would we get to the level of understanding what this body is without being able to break it down further'? You will end up at a level where you realise, there has to be 2 states of variance at the core of any reality that is in any way planned, deterministic and thus to a degree simulated since it's contained within itself as a system (which reality most certainly can be and that's all I need to prove).
The way binary codes reality is because no matter what happens every single remote instance of reality is always going to have to be one of two things, either it is or it isn't (including 'nothingness' and complete absence of anything other than the colour black representing a vacuum to us visually in whatever outer space is). Let me put this in a way you may better understand. The debate about if reality is coded or not is such that reality is either:
1) Totally physical, disorganised happenings that are in no way at all coded or deterministic.
2) Absolutely coded to the core whereby the randomness is in the fluctuating coding which at its core is never able to be one of two things; present or absent.
In version 2 of reality, AKA the deterministic reality, reality is ultimately coded and in that coding lies constant 'this or that' thinking and nothing else. Either something IS or it just isn't a thing at all. The issue is that time is something coded into reality and this will shock many people and disgust some voters into voting against me perhaps. Your entire life start to end is an inescapable trap under my theory and there is absolutely nothing you did, be it rape someone or save them from being raped or whatever else you did in your life, that was actually your true fault. Sorry to say it, but everyone is a slave to their fate in my theory because the coding is absolute in nature. There is nothng beyond the 1/0 variation and thus your actions were enslaved to it and it was not altering due to your will or beliefs, let alone actions.
Before I go into the physics via expert analysis on reality speaking for me, I would like to point out the biggest aspect of language that breaks down to binary what very few experts of language have ever realised:
WHO? HOW? WHERE? WHEN? WHAT? WHY?
Don't look below for the spoiler, try to work out the following yourself:
Four of these formats of analysing or comprehending reality are fake, constructed nonsense much like the numbers 2-9 in our counting system. Which one is the only one that is necessary to comprehend reality?
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The only question that ever is at the core of comprehending reality is 'what'. Who is 'what is this thing's identity?', 'How is 'what is the step-by-step methodology by which this is done?', Where is 'what is the location of this thing?' (a group of things is actually one thing in real logic), When is 'at what point in time did this thing happen?'. Why is 'What is the ultimate thing that caused this to be what it is in the situations where it was?' (doing is 'being' a thing with context under my theory). What is? What isn't? 1 and 0, this or that, real or unreal. That's all that there is at the core of a simulated reality.
I will let thtrr (101 in binary) sources speak for me here:
BREAKDOWN OF INFINITE RESOLUTION IN PHYSICSInfinite resolution causes all sorts of breakdowns of known laws of physics, including matter imploding into black holes at sub-Planck scales and the inability to reconcile general relativity with quantum mechanics. Currently favored theories of matter and energy (string theory) and solutions to gravity and quantum mechanics (loop quantum gravity) assume a minimal length scale. Furthermore, evidence supports the notion that quantum states are digital in that spin values are quantized and there are no intermediate states, which is anomalous in a continuous space-time. As renowned physicist John Wheeler concluded “every physical quantity, every it, derives its ultimate significance from bits, binary yes-or-no indications.” Trans PlanckianBREAKDOWN OF INFINITE RESOLUTION IN INFORMATION SYSTEMSIt takes an infinite amount of resources to create a continuous reality, but a finite amount to create a quantized reality. The very nature of the computational mechanisms of a computer are essentially the same as Quantum Mechanics - a sequence of states, with nothing existing or happening between the states. The resolution of any program is analogous to the spatial resolution of our reality, just at a different level. In fact, carrying Moore's Law (consistent over the past 40 years) forward, computers will reach the Planck resolution in 2192. However, it is not necessary to model reality all the way to that level for the model to be indistinguishable from our reality. Only the OBSERVED elements of reality need to be modeled, and then only down to a resolution that matches the observational limitations of our measurement devices. A program can do this dynamically. Therefore, given Moore's law and the limitations of "observational reality", we should be able to create Virtual Realities that are indistinguishable from our current reality within 20 years or so. The very fact that our reality appears to be quantized may be considered strong evidence that reality is programmed. pixelatedTHE SIMULATION ARGUMENTVarious modern philosophers and scientists have posited that we are likely to be living in a simulation (Nick Bostrom). This is because it is highly probable that we will be able to create ancestor simulations within a few years, when we achieve a trans-human stage. Due either to the number of simulations that will be run, or to the proximity that we are to that stage, it is actually more probable that we are in one than the case where we haven't yet reached that stage. Morpheus and NeoMATTER AS DATAIt was once thought that 0% of matter was empty space. In the early 20th century, scientists discovered that atoms are actually comprised of subatomic particles. If these subatomic particles, such as neutrons, were made of solid mass, like little billiard balls, then 99.9999999999999% of normal matter would still be empty space. That is, of course, unless those particles themselves are not really solid matter, in which case, even more of space is truly empty. This was shown to be the case in the 1960s via QCD, or quark theory. Now, string theorists say that even quarks are really just vibrating bits of string, possibly with a width of the Planck length. If so, that would make subatomic particles all but 1E-38 empty space; hence normal matter is all but 1E-52 empty space. Gets kind of ridiculous doesn’t it? In fact, if particles are comprised of strings, why do we even need the idea that there is something “material?” Isn’t it enough to define the different types of matter by the single number – the frequency at which the string vibrates? What is matter anyway? It is a number assigned to a type of object that has to do with how that object behaves in a gravitational field. In other words, it is just a rule. We don’t really experience matter. What we experience is electromagnetic radiation influenced by some object that we call matter (visual). And the effect of the electromagnetic force rule due to the repulsion of charges between the electron shells of the atoms in our fingers and the electron shells of the atoms in the object (tactile). In other words, rules. In any case, if you extrapolate our scientific progress, it is easy to see that the ratio of “stuff” to “space” is trending toward zero. Which means what? That matter is most likely just data. And the forces that cause us to experience matter the way we do are just rules about how data interacts with itself. For example, probability wave functions follow patterns described accurately by relatively simple mathematical equations that resemble probability functions that apply to data. Data and Rules – that’s all there needs to be. By Occam's Razor, this is a simpler and more likely way to describe matter and only requires pure data. string theoryCOMPUTATIONAL ANALOG AND THE OBSERVER EFFECTOf course, one does not need to model reality all the way to the Planck level for the model to be indistinguishable from our reality. An efficient program would dynamically generate incremental resolutions of various components, as needed, such as when an object is put under a microscope. Extending this concept to the quantum level, once a subatomic particle is observed, the program must then establish properties for that particle, effectively resulting in the collapse of the probability wave function. In 2008, the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information (IQOQI) in Vienna, determined to a certainty of 80 orders of magnitude that objective reality does not exist by itself and only comes into being when consciously observed. Thus, the uncertainty of this result is 1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, clearly a ridiculously small number. This effectively put a nail in the coffin of the last hope for objective realists, the hidden variable theory. Interestingly, we can establish a very real explanation for this effect by turning the evidence question on its head; thus, "If you were to program a universe-simulation, what kinds of programmatic efficiencies would be needed?" Most important would be to employ dynamic reality generation. In other words, for any space unobserved by a conscious entity, there is no sense in creating the reality for that space in advance. It would unnecessarily consume too many resources. Instead, macroscopic reality may be modeled with an extremely high degree of compression, which I've estimated to be about 100 trillion. But once you decide to isolate a subatomic particle in that macroscopic object and observe it, the program would then have to establish a definitive position for that particle, effectively resulting in the collapse of the wave function, or decoherence. Moreover, the complete behavior of the particle, at that point, might be forever under control of the program, like a finite state machine. After all, why delete the model once observed, in the likely event that it will be observed again at some point in the future? Thus, an efficient process of “zooming in” on reality in the program would result in exactly the type of behavior observed by quantum physicists, fully explaining the Observer Effect as well as Quantum Entanglement. In other words, in order to be efficient, resource-wise, the Program decoheres only the space and matter that it needs to. double slit experiment, observer effectEQUATIONS CREATING REALITYTo cite one of many examples, it has been shown that the negative frequency solutions to Maxwell’s equations actually reveal themselves in components of light. Were our reality what it appears to be, solutions to equations should only make sense in the context of describing reality. However, it seems to be the other way around. Data and rules don’t manifest from the reality; they create the reality. maxwell's equationsOTHER COMPUTATIONAL SIMILARITIES -Many researchers have also noted that a simulation model solves the “prime mover” philosophical problem. While the big bang theory implies a universe that arises from nothing, which has no grounding in objective reality, a virtual reality can easily "boot up" from an external context. In Brian Whitworth's paper "The emergence of the physical world from information processing", he outlines several additional examples of circumstantial evidence that our universe is a simulation, including:- Randomness and apparent lack of hidden variables- It never made sense to Einstein, nor many other scientists, that particles would behave randomly (e.g. radioactive decay) as opposed to following deterministic rules. However, in a computational model, random number generators are a simple concept even in today's systems, and can easily be used to drive apparently random behavior.- Probability waves are easy to create - Related to the point above, the probability waves that describe all matter and are responsible for the real effect of quantum tunneling, have no basis in objective reality, yet are easy to construct programmatically.probability wave functionEXPLANATORY POWER - The huge set of well-studied anomalies facing us in fields as varied as physics (entanglement), philosophy (near death experiences), geology, anthropology (OOPart) , metaphysics (precognition) and psychology can all be explained only by a programmed reality model. No other theory has that explanatory capacity. quantum entanglement.THERMODYNAMICS AND THE INFORMATION CONTENT OF THE UNIVERSE - There is an uncanny similarity to Boltzmann's formula for entropy (S=k*ln(W)) and Shannon's formula for information entropy (H=E(-ln(p(X))). In thermodynamics, entropy is proportional to the logarithm of the number of states that matter can be in. In information theory, entropy is proportional to the logarithm of the probability mass function of some random variable. This doesn't necessarily imply that matter is information, just that they behave similarly at a macroscopic level.
Information underlies the universe.While that sounds like an uncontroversial understatement, what scientists mean by information is a theoretical series of numbers.This would mean that the universe is basically written in binary – zeros and ones.In 1948, mathematician and engineer Claude Shannon related information as a stream of numbers to entropy – the measure of chaos.He said that the chaos of the numbers relates to how much information they carry. For example, 000 carries less information than 101, according to New Scientist.Binary information underlies the universeSean Carroll of the California Institute of Technology (CalTech) told the magazine that it “is simply our best mathematical description of the universe.”He added: “You can find people who think that information is all there is.”Dark force is 'killing' galaxies across the universeSeth Lloyd, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor specialising in quantum information, told Space that the universe is like a computer, “a physical system that breaks up information into bits, and flips those bits in a systematic fashion.”He added: “So, what is the universe? The universe is a physical system that contains and processes information in a systematic fashion and that can do everything a computer can do.”
- Sean Martin https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/765843/universe-a-COMPUTER-binary-theory-of-everything
The binary code of ones and zeros that we are familiar with from The Matrix film, holds a deeper meaning than we would have ever thought.The plot of the film is about an unreal, holographic, world wherein there are millions of slaves, performing a role in the society, such as doctors, teachers, lawyers, politicians etc.They all carry on, fueling the very system that enslaves them, yet they are unaware of the truth because their “minds” are essentially still plugged into what is called the “machine.”The Machine is what generates the matrix via Binary Code through the mind, and we see the cause and effect of As Within So Without.Even in our everyday (virtual) reality, computers are also programmed by Binary Code: 1 and 0.The Binary Code1 and 0 are two very outstanding numbers within our reality.In esoteric literature we can easily ascertain that 0 (zero) resembles nothing and 1 (one) resembles something. From Nothing to Something is an adequate axiom of what has occurred to us spiritually, with the result for most being stuck in something and unable to access nothing again (which, paradoxically, is in fact everything).Everything is beyond something, it cannot be in something because it is the catalyst for something and is all of that something at the same time.Our limited minds simply cannot fathom our true eternal nature. You are both 1 and (0).So now begs the question, why was the computer programmed with these two highly influential numbers? Let’s take a deeper look.We know that in the beginning there was the “word”. We know that words and numbers are the same, which has been proven by numerology and, of course, the computer which can process numbers into infinite amounts of words.If one doubts the interconnection between words and numbers, one must just conscientize that the letter “O” and the number (0) are exactly the same symbol.The symbol (O) can be seen as the pin code between numbers and words. This is why it appears in both.The AI Mainframe inputs code into your mind/machine, which translates to your language, most languages were in fact created to program the mind with code that resonates with the binary code emissions from the Artificial Mainframe Construct. Once the language is embedded within consciousness, Information technology can affect and steer a mind programmed with a host of opposites which we find within the major languages. Literally from the words, manifests your matrix out of your thoughts.Words are the origin of duality and opposition for power due to the “word” which justifies the existence of separate entities that all give consciousness to their identities made up of the word.ZEROFurthermore, in Western numerology the word ZERO equals (Z = 26) + (E = 5) + (R = 18) + (0 = 15) = 64.The digital root of 64 is (6+4) = 10. In numerology the word zero states that 1 and (O) are both the same, as 1 can only be 1 because of number (O). Why has nobody asked the golden question: “Why isn’t (O)controlling the reality that (1) is experiencing?” There is ultimately only 1 soul-center/whole.The language is there to make you submit to 1 and build your artificial matrix from the inception point, the first floor, connection to groundfloor thwarted. The language works on the sub-conscious mind through the connection it has with the numbers.ZION also equals 64. Z (26) + I (9) + O (15) + N (14) = 64.YHWH, the name of god in Judaism, Y = 25, H = 8, W = 23, H = 8 all together also equals 64.Why do these two highly influential words in Judaism resemble 10 and ultimately 1 and O in numerology? Is it part of the code that states that this is “everything”, this is “God”? This is control? The very word.If ZION has been controlling the course of the whole, then zero and one together, mischievously, has done too, as zero is the binary code embedded in the language which controls existence as we know it.Numerology dates back well over 10,000 years. In Chaldea, all areas of life were inseparably linked with Numerology, the science of numbers. Not only at a mathematical level, but metaphysical as well.Numbers are the relation between God and man. God has the upperhand because man has been consumed and divided by the numbers and does not know how to put two and two together to release himself from the spell of words and numbers.“The numeric system known as “Roman Numerals”, the writing style of “Old English”, as well as the languages of “Italian”, “Latin”, “Romanian” and “Romansh” were evidently created hide the Roman Score and disguise the fact that English was the language of Roman Empire. In a calculated attempt to confuse historians and mathematician’s alike, the Roman Score was divided into a set of 10 numbers (i.e., 0-9) and 26 letters, commonly known as the English alphabet (i.e., A-Z). Of the 20 symbols found in the Roman Score, only 10 of them are evident today in the modern Roman-English alphabet (e.g., “H”, “I”, “M”, “O”, “S”, “T”, “X”, and “Z”) which now contains 16 new letters (e.g., “A”, “B”, “C”, “D”, “E”, “F”, “G”, “J”, “K”, “L”, “N”, “P”, “Q”, “R”, “U”, “Y”, and “Z”). Since letters were added to the Roman alphabet at a later date, they were given the name “letter” as in “later”. Aside from scrambling the Roman Code, the creation of 6 additional letters allows for the creation of potentially millions of new words.Millions of more words also means millions of new spells.THE ROMAN SCORE (0-Γ):1. (0) “O” = “O” — \ˈō\2. (1) “I” = “I” — \ˈī\ \ˈā\, \ˈē\3. (2) “V” = “B” — \ˈbē\4. (3) “Ʌ” = “C/K” — \ˈkā\, \ˈk\5. (4) “+” = “D” — \ˈdē\6. (5) “Ж” = “CH” — \ˈch\7. (6) “ǂ” = “F” — \ˈfī\, \ˈef\8. (7) “⅃” = “L” — \ˈel\9. (8) “π” = “P” — \ˈp\,10. (9) “Γ” = “R” — \ˈär\THE ROMAN SCORE (Ф-Z):20. (19) “Z” = “Z” — \ˈzē\19. (18) “T” = “T” — \ˈtē\18. (17) “S” = “S” — \ˈes\ \ˈsē\17. (16) “#” = “SH” — \ˈ /ʃ/ \16. (15) “Ω” = “YU” — \ˈjˈü\15. (14) “X” = “N” — \ˈen\, \ˈne\14. (13) “M” = “M” — \ˈem\13. (12) “W” = “V” — \ˈvē\, \ˈw\12. (11) “H” = “H” — \ˈh\11. (10) “Ф” = “G” — \ˈjē\, \ˈg\1. (0) “O” = “O” — \ˈō\The “O” symbol is the 1st number/letter in in the Roman Score (i.e., the Roman alphabet) and the 15th letter in the modern English alphabet. Mathematically speaking, the “O” symbol has a numeric value of “0” (zero) in the Roman Score while the letter “O” has a numeric value of “15” in the English alphabet. The symbol “O”, which was likely derived from the Wheel of Fortuna, tends to double as a “0” (zero) and makes up Binary code along with the symbol “I”. The letter “O” is evidently an acronym for both “zero” (nothing) and “sum all” (everything).From the above text we can ascertain that the first letter of the first roman alphabet was (“O”), and that the zero was embraced as the first numeral out of which all the rest came — the foundation.Everything comes out of one soul-center and here we see that the Romans knew this in ancient time and realized that they could manipulate people to gain power over them later on, by changing the construct of the language into the favor of a malefic agenda.
- Arno Pienaar http://dreamcatcherreality.com/binary-code/
Everything that is, is a series of things being and failing to be. This includes properties of said 'things' because ultimately your skin color itself is a thing as is your personality and thought process. Everything is or isn't, there's no other way to break reality down and the idea that binary code is at the core of it via random generation of '1' and '0' is a concept from Ancient Asians philosophy to the Romans to now and is only getting more and more supported as we go along.
Round 2
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The physicality is coded into the physical elements. What is, is at the core 1 and what isn't is at the core 0.
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Pro forfeited 2/3 rounds, the first round being the introduction.
I do not care.
If you want to be convinced, make it a forum topic, if you want to be a sophist for the win, expect the same from me.
I do not debate honestly in the arena unless honesty benefits my win condition.
I wouldn't even have to appeal to Occam's razor to beat your simulated universe theory. We know physicalism has checked all its ontological commitments and is possible. We don't know if consciousness can even exist in non bio life (machines). Even if physicalism possessed more ontological commitments than a simulated universe theory (it doesnt). It still has less unknowns.
Occam's Razor is what keeps a hillbilly as a poor farmer. If you always approach things entirely minimalistically, you never innovate or pursue deeper, hidden truths.
I don't remember supporting occam's razor but I will happily play the role of atheist irl and back that as it's a very politically-correct way to say 'I think most religions are full of shit' without getting tangled into discussions that can be used against you.
One thing is public tact, the other is private real thoughts. Occam's Razor is a scapegoat used to gaslight people who think more complex, the solution is only the 'simplest' solution when it comes to mathematics. In science and more complex real-world matters, optimal/correct solutions are only the simplest solution a minority of times.
I wonder how you can overcome the issue of information. If you claim we're all in a simulation, i cant imagine what type of machine they're using to simulate all our brains and experiences. 1 single brain stores 2.5 petabytes of information. That is simply just ones memory which is far weaker than our processing speed. Which can do within 1 second what takes a computer 40 minutes to do. Now on top of this add all the trillions of neurons and cells of every living being being simulated at once. Then also add in simulations within simulations. I honestly have no idea how the machine doesn't simply blow up. How much storage capacity do they have. If they have this storage capacity it cannot be limitless can it? so when we make a new universe inside a universe where is the more storage coming from? it should all be on one hardrive and anything on its own hardrive is an illusion.
https://neurotray.com/how-many-calculations-per-second-can-the-human-brain-do/
I would wager physicalism is certainly more likely than a simulation. We can open up that debate sometime in the future then.
All the simulation theory does is regress the problem. If we're not base reality, we could be made within a simulation. This problem keeps going on and on to the point where you have so many ontological commitments its probably going to be the least likely metaphysical reality from an Occam's razors perspective - simply because of this.
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At a certain point some reality must be real, no?
It is not, it is far more difficult to justify consciousness in a physicalist's reality.
No, I would want a clearer resolution that won't end up with you making me need to prove the code and computation behind the simulation are 'real' and just sit behind the 'he hasn't proven where the code is'.
I want the debate to be that you are a pure physicalist and I am arguing fundamentally a simulation alternative to typical dualism.
I think its hard to reconcile the conscious experience of certain dimensions with simulations. You also possess a lot of ontological commitments i would probably wager are unnecessary to a more simpler explanation.
I see, i never took note of the high character number. Potentially you would indulge me in this debate sometime in the future?
Don't set 30k char Rounds if you aren't ready for volume-heavy attacks.
I get the sense anyone would struggle to rebut RM in this debate, not because his argument is particularly strong - but Simply through his overwhelming volume which makes it impossible to respond to everything he is saying.
I meant only ever not never in my number 2.
Just to be clear to everyone reading I noticed this error just now.
Under my proposed refinement to S&G, RM would have won that point as well. A block of text vs the work he put in...