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Thats borderline C/P buddy. I’ll let it go since you’re a noob, but like just paraphrase.Something like I am Aedion Ashryver, the half - Fae cousin of Aelin. I am forced to be a General for the King of Adarlan after the defeat of Terrasen but I work behind his back and secretly support the rebel cause of Terrasen by supplying weapons, etc. Therefore I’m Vanilla Town.
Ok so water is confirmed town and if you disagree you're an idiot
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@Club
I understand the logic as to us being a cop, but why specifically a cop and not another power role trying to lay low (ie doctor)? Especially when there's a dead 1x cop.Wylted, Supadudz and Warren have been the least active so far. Therefore we can assume they are either a cop or a townie. The mafia would probably try to post a little to not attract attention.
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In post #11 of this DP, bsh1 says: "It feels odd that mafia would kill either of the two lynchwagon targets last DP (myself and Disc), because arguably they would have been the best mislynch opportunities. "And he's right. Any scum that isn't disc or bsh1 would have two easy mislynches.This means that since one of them is dead, scum can't be outside of disc and bsh1, unless scum is nooby.If scum is not noob, than bsh1 is the mafia since scum would be between him and disc and disc is already confirmed town, making bsh1 scum by PoE.If scum is noob, than it points directly to WaterPhoenix, given that everyone else has experience.We have one scenario that points to WaterPhoenix, and one that points to Bsh1.Scum is between them or both of them.So who do we lynch?
This literally makes no sense
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Ok so some thoughts I had after end of day yesterday:
One thing that really concerns me is how high I am in some people's town reads. There were 2-3 people that had me in the top third of their reads despite me doing almost nothing last phase. I'd like to hear more about why people are townreading me because I think they could be going for an easy pocket on me (for whatever reason)
Post 244 is mildly concerning from Bsh in my opinion. This is a lot of effort spent on a post that doesn't really say a whole lot. It feels like scum is trying to look busy and not actually do anything to solve. Like this post is ironically not doing anything to scumhunt, which is the reason it was made in the first place.
Post 244 is mildly concerning from Bsh in my opinion. This is a lot of effort spent on a post that doesn't really say a whole lot. It feels like scum is trying to look busy and not actually do anything to solve. Like this post is ironically not doing anything to scumhunt, which is the reason it was made in the first place.
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Ongoing
ILikePie5 (Throne of Glass Mafia)
Next
SupaDudz (Kim Possible Mafia)
In the Hopper
breakingamber (Homestuck/Kirby Mafia)
Lunatic
Waren42
DD (Open Setup Bastard Mafia, 9 players)
ILikePie5 (Civil War Generals Mafia)
Bsh1
Mharman
I don't know if there's anyone explicitly in charge of the queue, but if so, why is Supa back in the "Next" section? He messed his game up twice, once out of sheer laziness. I feel that there's no reason he should be jumping the line as a result.
I don't know if there's anyone explicitly in charge of the queue, but if so, why is Supa back in the "Next" section? He messed his game up twice, once out of sheer laziness. I feel that there's no reason he should be jumping the line as a result.
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@oromagi
why would you put it that way? You should have a reason *to* lynch someone, not the other way around
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@bsh1
Again: why role claim so early?"Because you cannot" is not an answer.
Though I think it's usually a poor play he often did it as town on DDO. I remember in my Breaking Bad game he claimed Walter White like immediately.
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@Greyparrot
I am a hider and I win with the town.
This tracks, Grey usually claims immediately as town
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Sign Ups
In the Hopper
breakingamber (Homestuck/Kirby Mafia)
Lunatic
ILikePie5 (Throne of Glass Mafia)
Warren42
On Hold
Budda, Virt
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@bsh1
Well like Wylted said, this game could've easily been over by NP1. I feel like you should probably never have a vig in a setup with only 2 mafia. At the very least it should be 1x
On top of that 2 mason, one as a tracker, and a bulletproof
I think it'd probably have been better without the vig, maybe drop the strongman and bp as well. Probably Masons with a third player as tracker vs ninja would be balanced? I don't know. Tagging Bsh cause this is up his alley
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@bsh1
See my reply to him. They first link you sent makes me feel as though he was skeptical of the cop claim, not that he thought Wylted was mafia. The second one is literally the post I referenced when I said that that's where his POV changed IMO.
At no point in time did he actively push Wylted like Supa did.
At no point in time did he actively push Wylted like Supa did.
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I don't know enough yet, been too busy to keep reading Industrial Society and its Future, but gonna read some tonight probably
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I agree with your answers to both of the first two questions.
Do you prefer billiards or darts?
What drugs have you done? Which have you enjoyed and which have you not?
What drugs have you done? Which have you enjoyed and which have you not?
What genres of music do you enjoy?
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@Wylted
Rank the following types of potatoes from your favorite to least
-Mashed
-Mashed
-Baked
-Fries
-Tots
Would a silverback or a polar bear win in a cage fight?
What are your opinions on anarcho-primitivism?
Do you pay attention to sports? If so, which ones?
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@oromagi
Nothing about that post points me to you believing he's scum so much as not the cop.
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@bsh1
Oro did no such thing. He actually believed wylted until this:
Wait a second there, Wylted E. Coyote. You have claimed day COP with a guilty read on WaterPhoenix. Now you are reading tea leaves in SupaDudz' cup? Either you have made your guarantee to us that WaterPhoenix is scum and we can lynch with high confidence....now you seem tobe backing down....You must then be lying about day COP. Why shouldn'twe autolynch any false COP claim?
Yours was also different for a couple reasons. First, you were catching up, it wasn't live, so I would think (though maybe not, based on how WP played) that you'd have already known (s)he had confessed in the thread. Additionally, your tone seems almost like "Wylted's on his bullshit again, guess I have to deal with this" rather than being convinced he's actually mafia.
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@bsh1
Supa's immediate attacks on Wylted and telling him that this makes him look worse than it makes WP look, then proceeding to vote him. It feels like a proxy OMGUS vote for his partner. Supa still isn't particularly experienced, and in a setup where his partner is "caught" D1 like this, this is exactly how I'd expect him to react.
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@oromagi
Wait wait wait. You're telling me that Wylted literally flipping innocent wasn't enough for you? You're going to build worlds under the assumption he was some sort of reverse-death miller?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It'd be pretty clear if there was no NK multiple nights in a row so I wouldn't want to lynch him. On top of that I wouldn't feel as if I'd lost to someone that was entirely inactive. I personally would consider that game no contest tbh, so I'm fine taking the risk that he's scum.
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(A dumbtell is when someone is clearly uninformed and lacks information the mafia would know. They're "dumb" to what mafia would not be. Sometimes people fake it, obviously, but I believe this one.)
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@oromagi
Because mharman said scum would communicate via discord.
Dumbtell accepted
Dumbtell accepted
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My reads list is probably something like this at the moment
Town
Disc
Null
Everyone else
Slight Scum Lean
Bsh, Pie
Scum Lean
Supa
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My gut still tells me that Supa is more likely to be scum than bsh. Besides that if we lynch Supa and we are wrong then all we lose is a suspicious townie that has no role whereas if we lynch bsh and we are wrong we lose someone that has been active in the game and might possibly have a power role of some sort.
I don't disagree, I just feel that Bsh has been cleared too quickly and there were similarities between him and Supa that you had not seemed to notice.
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That is a very illogical assumption. The PM is probably located on the discord, it is unlikely that WP ever bothered to even use it. The likely explanation is that WP screwed up because he knows nothing about the game and put no effort into learning about it beforehand.His mistake was not based on lack of experience, it was based on lack of interest in the game. An apt comparison would be a child playing soccer for the first time. One would expect said child to screw up badly, perhaps kick the ball into their own net. WP did not do this. He instead ran up to the first kid he saw and touched them before running away as fast as he could because he thought he was playing tag.He had no idea he was scum or even what being scum means. He had no idea what a scum PM was. There is no conclusion that we can logically come to regarding who WPs buddy is by using the ridiculous old "he screwed up because his scum buddy wasn't there to help him" line of thought.
At first I read this and thought it was quite possible, and that it was solid analysis. I then thought that maybe it's TMI and that Disc is frustrated with his partner and was so frustrated that he vented about exactly what happened in the thread. I've now come full circle and don't think it'd make a whole lot of sense for Disc to say that when he'd be cleared by the very notion which he's arguing against.
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I don't know why people think that this is something that's alignment indicative in any way. I completely agree that it's a linguistic thing that is *not* a perspective slip. I *do* think that Disc made some very good points at the beginning of the phase though and think that his push against Wylted is concerning.Moreover, the case against Supa relies heavily on a slip that I am having trouble seeing as really damning. Supa says: "Seems like a scummy way to lynch a newb player to pressure them into admitting." It strikes me, having read and re-read this post, that Supa used "admit" as a synonym for "slip." If Supa had said "slipping," I doubt we'd be having this conversation. If Supa simply conflated admit with slip, it was an honest, linguistic mistake, rather than a slip in its own right.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Eh, bsh seems town to me. I don't see any reason scum-bsh would want to kill Wylted in the NP.Because Wylted and I so clearly wanted Supa dead today a smarter move for scum-bsh would be to kill someone else, Pie or Oromagi perhaps, then allow Wylted to lead a train and get supa lynched today (in this scenario Supa would be town) while perhaps building on the friction started in DP 1, a DP 2 mislynch to divide the town.Instead Wylted was the one killed. I think this makes more sense in the scenario where Supa is scum than in the scenario where bsh is scum for the reasons I outlined in page one of this DP.
If he bought the day cop claim it's very much a valid move. Considering Wylted miraculously hit at random, it doesn't seem unlikely
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The initial push against wylted, saying that if anything it makes wylted look worse than WP, then eventually voting for WP when he sees the scum claim
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I think it's interesting that Bsh isn't seeing much pressure. Disc, how do you feel about him behaving similarly to Supa?
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Scum honestly really screwed up by killing Wylted, I think that there was enough of a train of thought going in the thread that this was simply a really hard bus. I'd have voted Wylted by now if he was alive honestly.
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Bsh also immediately pushed back on Wylted's attempt at WP. Keeping that in mind.
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@oromagi
I'm not running a game for a few reasons, chief among them that I am busy and don't expect to get much activity.
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Alright, I don't really have too many thoughts on what's happened in this phase. I agree with Disc's conclusions regarding Supa, assuming his premises are true. I'll have to finish reading D1 and will get back shortly.
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@bsh1
I don't know much about Mhar's modding style, but as he seems to have less experience than say, Warren, I am not confident that there are not three mafia.
Oh stop bsh--I'm flattered
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Honestly thought Wylted had gone for the hard bus based solely on the first page and a half. Mafia clearly believed his day cop claim.
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I unfortunately did not advance on my fellow players' votes, but I still have a chance to vote based on the jury's ballots. There are 23 spots left for the jury to send through, and 165 players vying for those spots. As my game was one of the most decisive mafia wins, I feel that as a member of the winning team I have a realistic chance. We shall see.
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@Vader
Plus it is highly sus that he targets the noob to get a reaction from him
Completely disagree, but alright
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@Vader
How many mharman games have you played? I don't remember him running more than a couple on DDOYea but Mharman doesnt usually do day roles tbh
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Like I am the only one that got a new role. As soon as one of the other eight mention that they didn't the rest will figure out that it wasn't just chance that they got the same one. You really have that little respect for our collective intelligence?
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