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@Wylted
Yeah the problem is if is not uncommon these days to have a scum mason. Unless it explicitly states in your role that he is confirmed town (or whoever the other mason is) than ai would not assume he is)
That's not a masonry though... that's a neighborhood. That'd be bastard (even if unintentionally)
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@ILikePie5
Not sure. Wylted (and Disc kinda) are making a lot of sense, but not really sure if it's scum or Supa is just playing really poorly.
Unfortunately my scum pool is pretty big at this point.
Water, Pie, Supa
Press, Oro due to the lack of NK. I think if there's a doctor we should have them out themselves. We can then have
Club, Partner, Cop, Doc, Doc target confirmed. If there's overlap oh well. Tonight we *could* have the cop check the doc just to guarantee it while the doc protects the cop. That's a core of five for D3 and we can POE from there.
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Ok so this is what I was thinking about.
In this post, speed says that pie's push on water makes sense, while in the very next one, he says that the only push that makes sense is the one on him. Not sure if that means that he has TMI that water is scum and that Pie's push was right (though I will die on the hill that it didn't make sense and yes I'm a prideful SOB) or that it's TMI that Pie's push is inaccurate and he wanted to get the water lynch through and then he just wasn't consistent in his support because scum have to be more fluid in their reads.
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@Wylted
The following post seems random. Why did speed pop into your head as opposed to somebody else?
I had no read of speed and wanted your opinion on the matter since you were in the thread at the time. Figured we might be able to have some good progress by talking about someone I didn't have a read of and I was fortunately correct.
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@ILikePie5
If there is a third party it’s Club and his supposed buddy.
A two-person 3P in a game with 2 mafia is incredibly underpowered town. Unlikely.
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@Wylted
I think if club is scum we lost. I can't see you guys lynching him. This is bothering me
No need to worry about that, he's totally mason
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@Wylted
Really didn't like pie last DP, his pushes were trash. I remember a post that made me think that pie and water were of opposite alignments based on something speed said. I'll find it once I'm caught up.
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@Vader
VTL BMDinactive mafia. gg town
Cogent literally left the site...
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@PressF4Respect
It's history in the same sense Battle: Los Angeles is history. Like it's *kinda* based on real events but other than the namesake there's literally nothing factual about it
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In case this isn't over VTL Speed
Let the partner hunting commence.
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One post: "How would I know there is a cop?"
Next post: "Yeah, I'm the deputy, that's how I know there's a cop."
Next post: "Yeah, I'm the deputy, that's how I know there's a cop."
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@Speedrace
One, how would I know there was a cop?
“The Deputy will become Cop and gain their investigation abilities if the Cop ever dies.”
the only way speed is ever town here is if mharmam mixed up the names of roles.
Speed, I’d love to hear how *your* deputy works.
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Anyone who has a character that ISN’T a pizza ingredient let me know.
Also I’d speed flips mafia I’d like to lynch water or pie next, probably water. Gonna have to go back and re-read, but he says that pie’s push on water makes sense but then says that the push on him is the only one that makes sense. (Hey pie, this is an example of cognitive dissonance, as is his opinion on me. Take notes.)
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Also for anyone that needs it spelled out, no, that isn’t a soft claim cop. *If* there’s a deputy that confirms that there’s a cop.
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@Speedrace
so you’re telling me in a game based off pizza ingredients (per OP of signups) that you’re not a pizza ingredient?
Also the claim makes me even more suspicious because having masons, a cop, and a deputy is pretty OP for a small game.
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Also, pie, what do you make of the post where water asked you if they should change their vote? If there’s anything I find unsettling about their posts it’s that, and I didn’t see you mention it anywhere. I’d like your thoughts.
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I’m going to bed in a minute but Wylted what are your thoughts on speed? I don’t really have any and want to know where other people are at. He’s mostly felt fluffy, but that doesn’t really match his (albeit limited) meta as either alignment
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@Wylted
I'm not a fan of his 180 that disc pointed out. I would lynch between him and pie today.
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Pie's case on water is atrocious. Claiming early = scum? It's ok when Pie fishes for roles but when someone else does it that makes them scum? Then his first point about "parallelism" and "cognitive dissonance" is something he doesn't even understand. He's using words that he's heard other people say because he thinks that that makes him smart and that people will listen to him. In reality, there is no cognitive dissonance, at least not based on the evidence pie has provided.
Additionally, yes I'm frustrated pie outted one of our masons, we all should be, but it isn't exclusively Pie's fault, club claimed prematurely. What frustrates me is that pie was pushing club as a policy lynch. He's looking for what he thinks will be an easy lynch just like he did in Bsh's celebrity mafia game. It was a bad push and he should know that.
The last bit, that I'd forgotten about until now, is that pie encouraged club to breadcrumb who his mason partner is. Now, with the level of subtly club has displayed, if Pie is encouraging club to breadcrumb this, he should know that he's basically asking him to out his partner. Pie (should) know that club isn't going to play this the same way someone like disc would, for example. If you ask club to breadcrumb his mason partner it will probably be too vague to be meaningful later on or so obvious that mafia and town alike can deduce who it is. Pie should know this.
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@ILikePie5
Nothing in 282 is even remotely convincing. You're flippantly tossing big words or phrases that seem smart like "cognitive dissonance" into your posts and clearly don't have any grasp of what they mean. Cognitive dissonance is "the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change."
You're using "parallelism" and "cognitive dissonance" to describe the same thing when they aren't similar in the slightest.
Also, you've failed to give any convincing reason why any of that's inherently scummy. This push honestly might be worse than the one on club. Not only does my vote stand, but your "case" on water made me even more confident that you have done nothing pro-town yet.
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@ILikePie5
You can't just throw around words like "clearly" and expect them to have meaning. It seems multiple other people agree with me. So no, it's not clear.
As far as club's claim, yes, I'd still be on you because as I hinted at above, I don't think you were actively searching for alternatives. You were, on the other hand, actively trying to agree to your contingency plan, which makes me feel as though it wasn't really a contingency plan.
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Also Pie please point me toward your water thing because I don't remember a damn bit of it
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@ILikePie5
It's neither poor logic nor is it opportunistic. I was literally just scum with you where you made a shitty push on wylted for what you seemed to think would be an easy lynch, and now you were trying to push a policy lynch on club for all of day 1 without even attempting to hunt. That is not poor logic. You're looking for an easy lynch.
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@ILikePie5
Show me one ounce of pro-town effort you've put forth today and I'll remove my vote. All you've done is gotten a mason to claim and given shitty pushes.
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Unofficial Vote Count:
wylted: 1/6 (supa)
BMD: 1/6 (water)
supa: 1/6 (speed)
water: 1/6 (wylted)
cogent: 1/6 (cogent)
VTNL: 1/6 (club)
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The best point in speed's favor is that if he's mafia he knew that asking bmd that question would make people townread him, which does feel a bit unlikely
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Oh yeah bmd is town too. Not convinced on wylted or speed though
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I have been. Pie is playing very anti-town and might be mafia back to back, Club is town confirmed because that's a shit fake claim, and cogent is wrong but I don't think his annoyance here is affliation indicative.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Lol only if you are scum.
I asked in mafia chat if you were serious. Why do you want me to reveal our whole team?
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Re: Roles that mess with results
Godfathers and millers are both quite common roles. I would be entirely unsurprised if there's a cop and one (or both) of those two roles. Other roles such as lawyer, framer, redirector, etc are also not uncommon here.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Doesn't anyone else get what I'm saying? Behavior is important, but we can't solely go on behavior for a VTL. DP1 has no hard facts in it whatsoever, and I do not think it's a good idea to VTL merely on behavior alone.
If your sole basis for voting is hard facts you're gonna have trouble playing mafia. This whole game is predicated on behavior analysis.
Man would I love to see you play a mountainous (no power roles, only vanilla and goons) game.
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@ILikePie5
@Club
Or fucking don't breadcrumb who your partner(s) are. There is no reason that you should be outting them and making life easier for mafia. If they're competent then one or both of you will have left some sort of hint that you can point to, but it should never be as obvious as Pie is implying.Try to breadcrumb who your partner(s) are. And please consult your partner on reads and overall game play.
Consult your partner on reads and the game. Yes.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
You lynch D1 because it helps you analyze which players voted for or against the lynch. If the lynch was town, then maybe look into the voters. Look into the person who was the number 2 vote-getter. See if you think it was a mafia member whose teammates were saving them.
If they flip mafia, the number 2 vote-getter is probably town. Maybe you can look at who was advocating against the lynch, etc.
It's a +EV play to lynch D1
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@ILikePie5
He’s Policy if he don’t. Why do you think it’s role fishing?
Probably because literally nobody else agreed to your plan and you look for opportunistic pushes like this
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@ILikePie5
You down to Policy lynch Club if we don’t get an alternative?
This is bad
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@bsh1
Re: Discord I have it running on my computer in the background all the time and wouldn't be surprised if I'm not alone tbh
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That reason is logically sound but I still don't agree with it. Personal preference I suppose.
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@Vader
Speed and I bussing was so obvious that you saw it a mile away despite thinking that pie was town? Seriously dude. Relax. There were definitely some sub-optimal plays from town, but you can’t act like you were just somehow the savior that nobody listened to. There’s a reason they didn’t listen to you.
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Not my best game. I feel like I did really well in champs and my play back here has been subpar or bad ever since
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Supa you were convinced I was scum because (we thought) I hammered pie, who you were convinced was town. It was painfully obvious he was scum. That push on Wylted was atrocious.
Get off your high horse.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Well fuck then. GG Cogent and speed.
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Cogent, very well played here. I really underestimated you.
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Ok so it looks like Cogent lied about his actions which means it's exactly speed/cc. Lynch them back to back and we win this game.
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@Club
If you don't want people to hammer the VTNL, I'd suggest not putting it at L-1 immediately afterward.
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